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Pastywhyte
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That's pretty cool, like V tek but with a rez effect. You ever keep these in the jar and top fruit em? Should note that even people working with live culture could use these, LC or LI will do the trick.
Nice writeup. I just happen to have a sack of white millet. I also got a few LCs in my fridge that I was gonna test out. If they come up clean I will give this a run soon.
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I imagine the higher grain ratios make these far better to spawn than brf. Certainly couldn't pack that ratio with flour.
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Mycologist217 said: Just for clarification, these are fruited in a SGFC?
The cake at the bottom of the thread was actually fruited in a pmp.
Here is a Kramer Cake fruiting in a sgfc.

That looks pretty damn good. I find side pins in top fruited half pints or pp5s to not really be a problem. Top case really helps I find I have had nice results top fruiting and bottom watering brf cakes so I gonna definitely try with this. I'll post the results here.
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A good trick to not Spraying the verm off is to leave it on the cake for an hour or two before misting it for the first time. I got 2 LC candidates in the fridge and I just sterilized me some syringes. Will probably test it out tomorrow or Wednesday. If good I'm gonna do a whack of these.
Only wrinkle is I musta wiped off the sharpie label on the LC cause I have no idea what they are. But if they come out clean I doubt they will have any issues with this
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3 to 4 days with spores is far to soon to worry, can take over 14 days to see germination.
My LC has tested clean despite its advanced age. Gonna prep me some of these either tonight or tomorrow. Biggest concern now is that my damn LC is too thick to asperate, could barely get any into the syringe. Might just try pouring right from the jar
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On agar. Shows bacteria better than grain ever could and quicker too.
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So upon taking stock of what I have to work with I decided I am going to simply evaluate this as a substrate prep method. I don't have a lot of free half pints kicking around, most are being dedicated to other things. Nor do I have any center drilled lids that are not filtered. So I am gonna do them in PP5 ziplocs. The plan will be to fruit some as cakes as per the tek and some will be top fruited as pods. Should be good.
As a sub prep writeup goes, it went pretty good. The millet verm water ratio of 3 2 1 was bang on. Great description of the pooling and to add more verm as needed. I held back the last bit of premeasured verm to see where the break point was and it was perfect. The second the last bit was added the pooling stopped. Pretty easy stuff IMO.
Normally I'm not a fan of adding verm to grain spawn. But if the plan is to fruit the grain as an unbroken colony then this only makes sense. Given how well V tek worked for exotic species I can imagine these will do great for pans and Mexicana.
Will keep you all posted.
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You could do it with the 4 holes like PF tek. Should work the same. I don't even have 4 hole lids. All plastic most are filtered.
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A stimulating and thought provoking contribution to the thread dust. I expected nothing less from you.
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Well I got me 14 Kramer style cakes in pp5 ziplocs nearly done. Gonna consolidate them extra long just in case. Then I am gonna birth, dunk n roll some and top fruit some pod style. This will be my second grow of the year so I is happy. They are looking pretty happy so far. Moisture content of the millet and verm must be bang on. I noticed less burst grains than I usually see with straight millet too.
Using the unmodified lids in PP5 I was able to knock up a few with wedges and shook em around well. Those are proving almost as fast as the LC.
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I'm not sure if it's PE or not. But it might be, I did make a fair amount of PE LC's. But it could be RW or wikidzon as well cause I made a butt load of those. The label on the jar got wipes off so I have no idea. Should be fun lol.
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The cakes are getting that consolidated look. I decided to fruit 4 rolled in verm in a mono, then top fruit 3 cased with coir verm in a mono.
Also have 6 that were done in taller pp5s. A couple of them were inoculated with agar wedges and given the shakability of these allowed for some speedy colonization.
I did notice they don't knit up quite as tight as brf. Takes on water fast so a long dunk definitely not needed. A little care was needed when handling.
Excited tho, this is only my second cube grow of the year.
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Yeah i definitely didn't pack em much. Probably my issue. But they are looking pretty decent, hope to see pins soon.
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Re: Kramer Cakes [Re: aln]
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Well I got some pins finally. Definitely PE. My birthed cakes are looking bacterial tho. Not the teks fault, I must have shorted the run or something. The cased ones that I am top fruiting look great tho, I am hoping to see pins soon on those as well. Might have some pics to toss up soon.
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Shit I got busy as hell and it slipped me by. Mine are just wrapped up the 3rd flush and did pretty decent considering it was PE. I will try and snag some pics next flush for ya but, I will do some more of these with some classic cubes. I have a nice wikidzon clone here that should do well on em.
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Well sorry for missing the first and second flushes with these, they did quite well. No blobs and a decent yield for ms PE on a cake like sub. But here is some 4th flush action which is still going fairly strong despite these having been beat up and dunked repeatedly. Gonna do em again with a classic cube and hopefully I have my shit together enough to get the first flush pics.
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These have been through the mill but are still pumping out fruits. No mold yet. However this is the last flush, I bet they can still squeeze out more but I need the mono and the space.

This is a pretty damn good method for new people in my book, and will reward you with lots of flushes.
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That was a 5th flush IIRC. Pretty solid.
RW 5th gen is going to be spawned soon. But I have 5th gen invitro clones that must be tested as well. Not sure how much longer. Certainly the end is near, I'm not going to push past 7 that's for sure. But it will be ready when it's ready. Bout all I can say.
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Yes. Might want to top fruit and case with peat but it would indeed work.
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Coir case on straight grain can work for pans but overlay is a bigger risk. I did it Vtek style with coir case tho and it worked okay.
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