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OfflineMescalean
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Female privilege? * 3
    #23510468 - 08/04/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Saw this and thought, why not ask the pub if they agree or not.

"1. Female privilege is being able to walk down the street at night without people crossing the street because they’re automatically afraid of you.
2. Female privilege is being able to approach someone and ask them out without being labeled “creepy.”
3. Female privilege is being able to get drunk and have sex without being considered a rapist. Female privilege is being able to engage in the same action as another person but be considered the innocent party by default.
4. Female privilege is being able to turn on the TV and see yourself represented in a positive way. Female privilege is shows like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond where women are portrayed as attractive, competent people while men are shown as ugly, lazy slobs.
5. Female privilege is the idea that women and children should be the first rescued from any sort of emergency situation. Female privilege is saving yourself before you save others and not being viewed as a monster.
6. Female privilege is being able to decide not to have a child.
7. Female privilege is not having to support a child financially for 18 years when you didn’t want to have it in the first place.
8. Female privilege is never being told to “take it like a man” or “man up.”
9. Female privilege is knowing that people would take it as a gravely serious issue if someone raped you. Female privilege is being able to laugh at a “prison rape” joke.
10. Female privilege is being able to divorce your spouse when your marriage is no longer working because you know you will most likely be granted custody of your children.
11. Female privilege is being able to call the police in a domestic dispute knowing they will take your side. Female privilege is not having your gender work against where police are involved.
12. Female privilege is being able to be caring or empathetic without people being surprised.
13. Female privilege is not having to take your career seriously because you can depend on marrying someone who makes more money than you do. Female privilege is being able to be a “stay at home mom” and not seem like a loser.
14. Female privilege is being able to cry your way out of a speeding ticket.
15. Female privilege is being favored by teachers in elementary, middle and high school. Female privilege is graduating high school more often, being accepted to more colleges, and generally being encouraged and supported along the way.
16. Female privilege being able to have an opinion without someone tell you you’re just “a butthurt fedora-wearing neckbeard who can’t get any.”
17. Female privilege is being able to talk about sexism without appearing self-serving.
18. Female privilege is arrogantly believing that sexism only applies to women."

So what do you ladies and gents think? Does female privledge exist and if it does what are your thoughts on it?
Female privilege?
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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 11
    #23510478 - 08/04/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This post gave me cancer.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: SARAtonin] * 5
    #23510481 - 08/04/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23510487 - 08/04/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men



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Re: Female privilege? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #23510488 - 08/04/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

and the cancer is spreading. until they get equal wages this is beyond a pointless thread.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23510491 - 08/04/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not true.  She can be the most worn out drug addicted slut but with a clean record she is virginaly to a judge.  Lady's gonna rule the world.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 2
    #23510499 - 08/04/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Equal rights means equal fights. Until I can strike a woman with equal recourse as if they hit me; they are privileged.

seriously :tldr:


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23510506 - 08/04/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck this shit. I can't even read OP.

How about human privilege? You know, like the privilege to be a human, without being stuck in a fucking metaphorical box by society???

This is the kinda shit that sends my misanthropy up the fuckin' wall.


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OfflineMescalean
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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23510518 - 08/04/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol. sara (let us know how long till we have to count down or if you'll pull through), soph, I left the poll open for a while so some of the more reasonable less jaded members can post too. Thank you for you input though. Having been here a while now, I can judge your posts off of more than you just being "female" members. Both of you have a habit of steering far towards left 3rd wave feminism bullshit, sara has even claimed to hate men despite rumors of her lying about her sex on profile info. The pattern has not strayed.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23510519 - 08/04/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Different beings have different needs and wants, perspectives too


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23510520 - 08/04/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So why do threads about male privilege not send your misanthropy up the wall sir knoble


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #23510525 - 08/04/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
Equal rights means equal fights. Until I can strike a woman with equal recourse as if they hit me; they are privileged.

seriously :tldr:





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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510535 - 08/04/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't hate men but threads like these make me reconsider my position WRT their overall value to the species vis-a-vis the amount of self-entitled whiny bullshit they put us through


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23510543 - 08/04/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Strength and stupidity.  Some aspects of being less emotional.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 2
    #23510544 - 08/04/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mescalean said:
So why do threads about male privilege not send your misanthropy up the wall sir knoble



Threads discussing the division of the human species in any way send my misanthropy up the fuckin' wall. That's why you'll never see me involved in any race/politics/LBGT discussion. I can't stand that shit.

I just happened to idly click into this one and felt like expressing the opinion on the matter whilst I was here.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510546 - 08/04/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mescalean said:
So why do threads about male privilege not send your misanthropy up the wall sir knoble



because that manages to be even more stupid then this thread.

next we will have the usual brilliant crew swinging by saying how easy women, black, gays, really anyone other then white males have it. followed by the usual  :circlejerk: 

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23510547 - 08/04/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also, I'm calling a yes on this one, but only because desperate men represent such an outsized proportion of the shroomery demography

Probably because of threads like this


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 5
    #23510591 - 08/04/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How did I ever guess soph would be up in here saying female privilege doesn't exist.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #23510594 - 08/04/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Woah was you :blush:

Don't even try to play the whiny bullshit card miss. Your gender is famous for that shit. Men are too masculine show more emotion speak up more don't hide your shit. They soften up like pussies just like you want them too then their too whiny. Typical estrogen fueled logic.

And if you're implying my desperation soph far from it. I just love hypocrisy in general and calling people out on bullshit silly double standard views which you help my hobby a lot.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 8
    #23510605 - 08/04/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yo dude, you have points - but this post does not come off as objective or unbiased in anyway and it's downright silly. It's not a contest, I know a lot of people out there try to make it into one, but seriously there are different advantages and disadvantages to being born male or female in our society. I understand that there's anger coming from a lot of ignored double standards, and I feel that you as a dude are entitled to that anger because I certainly would be too  - but really you're just stooping to the same level of the people on the other side of the fence who are demonizing an entire gender.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 4
    #23510614 - 08/04/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes: it's like complaining about dog privilege

1. get fed for free
2. have doors opened for them
3. dont pay rent
4. can poop anywhere and humans have to carry it
5. can hump legs
6. can sniff butts
7. dont need to wear clothes
etc..

but no dogs are captive subordinates in a human-centric society. comprende?

women have played second fiddle to men for so long it's just gross to even think about imo.

...also if ppl are crossing the road cos they're afraid of you maybe you are giving off bad vibes or something? i dont think that is normal


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510616 - 08/04/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mescalean said:
Woah was you :blush:

Don't even try to play the whiny bullshit card miss. Your gender is famous for that shit. Men are too masculine show more emotion speak up more don't hide your shit. They soften up like pussies just like you want them too then their too whiny. Typical estrogen fueled logic.

And if you're implying my desperation soph far from it. I just love hypocrisy in general and calling people out on bullshit silly double standard views which you help my hobby a lot.




This is unintelligible


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510621 - 08/04/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if one is not smart enough to NOT answer loaded questions, then they deserve the shot they get


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #23510631 - 08/04/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry if this offended you but that's falling on deaf ears. I could really care less if I "stoop" to their level although I don't see any false rape accusations or ugly custody battles in this thread yet. And no anger, Like I said I enjoy seeing people try to defend their double standards. I have just as much of a right to make this thread as any whiny femi nazi has to make one that she is oppressed while living in an upper middle class neighborhood on daddys dime.

So again I ask, why don't people stand up in the male privilege threads or when they do they are one of the desperate males soph is convinced infests the shroomery, but if i post one that is a simple do you agree pole or not, im stooping so low? Why?


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510637 - 08/04/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If it were woman that started and fought wars we would be better off.  Unless their all butch.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23510641 - 08/04/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
Quote:

Mescalean said:
Woah was you :blush:

Don't even try to play the whiny bullshit card miss. Your gender is famous for that shit. Men are too masculine show more emotion speak up more don't hide your shit. They soften up like pussies just like you want them too then their too whiny. Typical estrogen fueled logic.

And if you're implying my desperation soph far from it. I just love hypocrisy in general and calling people out on bullshit silly double standard views which you help my hobby a lot.




This is unintelligible




Oh no, you can read it just fine dude. Its just one of your cheap cop outs like in many other threads. Cry or try to portray the opposite party as unintelligent or illiterate.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #23510644 - 08/04/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
Yo dude, you have points - but this post does not come off as objective or unbiased in anyway and it's downright silly. It's not a contest, I know a lot of people out there try to make it into one, but seriously there are different advantages and disadvantages to being born male or female in our society. I understand that there's anger coming from a lot of ignored double standards, and I feel that you as a dude are entitled to that anger because I certainly would be too  - but really you're just stooping to the same level of the people on the other side of the fence who are demonizing an entire gender.



I hear ya, I've spent a huge amount of time thinking and discussing this subject. I know it exists, as I know the race divide exists; I love time spent in the company of women for the fact they see things differently to the way I do. I love time spent with one of my best friends, who, although he thinks more similarly to me than any human I know, is black, and has experienced things differently to the way I do due to that fact.

TBH, I love time spent in the company of most humans. But when I see stereotyping based on categories it riles me up. Like I said, I only really read the title, and my inner idealist jumps out. Plus sarcasm tends to fly straight over my head, and having only glanced at OP, I may have missed some subtle irony...

Shit I swear you were replying to my post - you edit that?


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510650 - 08/04/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I can read it. Sexist spew with no discernible purpose other than to irritate


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23510656 - 08/04/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh you mean like your "whiny" comment earlier Mr hypocrite?


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23510658 - 08/04/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone has something to contribute to the party.  Some just want the party to continue their way.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: quinn]
    #23510666 - 08/04/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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:rolleyes: it's like complaining about dog privilege

1. get fed for free
2. have doors opened for them
3. dont pay rent
4. can poop anywhere and humans have to carry it
5. can hump legs
6. can sniff butts
7. dont need to wear clothes
etc..

but no dogs are captive subordinates in a human-centric society. comprende?

women have played second fiddle to men for so long it's just gross to even think about imo.

...also if ppl are crossing the road cos they're afraid of you maybe you are giving off bad vibes or something? i dont think that is normal





So name some examples of how they are oppressed in america today. I don't deny they had it rough in the past. But I'm talking about today buddy. We live in the 20th century not 10 AD. Also I keep seeing this they make less claim, someone please show me specifically the careers and pay rates. Because from what I have read it was a bullshit study that took yearly income into account not position or career path....


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510670 - 08/04/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mescalean said:
Sorry if this offended you but that's falling on deaf ears. I could really care less if I "stoop" to their level although I don't see any false rape accusations or ugly custody battles in this thread yet. And no anger, Like I said I enjoy seeing people try to defend their double standards. I have just as much of a right to make this thread as any whiny femi nazi has to make one that she is oppressed while living in an upper middle class neighborhood on daddys dime.

So again I ask, why don't people stand up in the male privilege threads or when they do they are one of the desperate males soph is convinced infests the shroomery, but if i post one that is a simple do you agree pole or not, im stooping so low? Why?






I'm not offended at all lol.

I'm actually one of the more outspoken women I know against third wave feminism or at least the direction it's headed in.



you seem pretty angry tho lol, or at least intent on antagonizing people. And that makes for sub-par conversation, especially for a conversational topic that will go no where unless it's discussed in an objective and unemotional manner, which you appear unprepared to do.

This leads me to conclude that engaging you further is going to lead to both of us getting frustrated over pointless internet arguing that does not do anything to further any kind of understanding.


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Quote:

pirate-blues said:
Yo dude, you have points - but this post does not come off as objective or unbiased in anyway and it's downright silly. It's not a contest, I know a lot of people out there try to make it into one, but seriously there are different advantages and disadvantages to being born male or female in our society. I understand that there's anger coming from a lot of ignored double standards, and I feel that you as a dude are entitled to that anger because I certainly would be too  - but really you're just stooping to the same level of the people on the other side of the fence who are demonizing an entire gender.



I hear ya, I've spent a huge amount of time thinking and discussing this subject. I know it exists, as I know the race divide exists; I love time spent in the company of women for the fact they see things differently to the way I do. I love time spent with one of my best friends, who, although he thinks more similarly to me than any human I know, is black, and has experienced things differently to the way I do due to that fact.

TBH, I love time spent in the company of most humans. But when I see stereotyping based on categories it riles me up. Like I said, I only really read the title, and my inner idealist jumps out. Plus sarcasm tends to fly straight over my head, and havin

g only glanced at OP, I may have missed some subtle irony...





shoot I butchered this post. I meant to say, that I fudged up my reply and then ninja edited it so that it was reply to: mescalean because I thought it was confusing - I didn't mean to make you think I was replying to your post, it was just op, my bad!


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #23510684 - 08/04/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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she probably deserved it






On another note, I wanna see the reality in which Trump wins the election. Not that I want him to; I just want to see that world.  :mitebecool:


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #23510691 - 08/04/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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shoot I butchered this post. I meant to say, that I fudged up my reply and then ninja edited it so that it was reply to: mescalean because I thought it was confusing - I didn't mean to make you think I was replying to your post, it was just op, my bad!



Don't sweat it man, I ninja edit all the time. Took me about a year to learn that dropdown box, and as for anything containing more than two pairs of quotes... well, I think we all know what can happen in that situation...


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #23510698 - 08/04/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Glad jokesbeard found humor in the neckbeard one i'm assuming I read it and had to stop, was loling so hard I couldnt read the OP I copy/pasted.

I'm prepared to discuss openly pirate blues, but why are saras and sophs posts not viewed as antagonistic but mine are? Both used the language needed to antagonize someone else into a heated argument if the bait be taken. Another dirty trick.

Male privilege and female both exist imo. Male privilege is me doing way more physical labor than the woman whos the same position as me and makes the same as me right? More work for equal pay doesn't sound equal. I'm also less likely to get mugged than you walking home at night though.

My issue is the male part always gets brought up while everyone stays in denial about the female privileges. Why is that


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510710 - 08/04/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So name some examples of how they are oppressed in america today. I don't deny they had it rough in the past. But I'm talking about today buddy. We live in the 20th century not 10 AD.






it's the 21st century

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    #23510723 - 08/04/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with on a lot of these points, but the way it was presented comes across as too cynical and jaded for the majority of people to take it seriously. Men and females both experience different privileges and in todays society theyre more or less equal to eachother. 3rd wave feminism is basically concentrated man hate. Shoot it down whenever you see it, but do it civilly and with clear cut points that cant be refuted. Its the only way we're ever gonna put a dent in its momentum, but coupled with the gender oriented fuckery these kids are coming up with, it almost seems like a losing battle. Societies so idiotic at times.


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    #23510727 - 08/04/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've never met anyone so interested in talking about privilege and oppression as the members here who insist that feminism is a threat to our society.

I always hear, "tell me how women are oppressed in modern America..." but I would like someone to tell me what feminists do here at the shroomery that warrants making all these threads in opposition to them.  The people who seem most interested in gender politics here are anti-feminists.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23510737 - 08/04/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



/thread


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23510741 - 08/04/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its infested college campus's and social media. You dont see it here but its insanity is prevalent in places like tumblr and facebook, and anywhere large groups of 20 something gather.


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    #23510746 - 08/04/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for that instead of a "this post gave me cancer" bullshit answer to express all that teenage angst ( I know your older I'm saying she had built up "angst")


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that's, like, art brah


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510759 - 08/04/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There are advantages/disadvantages of being either sex.  If you are lazy and want to mooch off of someone else, females have the advantage.  If you want to work your ass off and make it for yourself, men have the advantage.  Being a female isn't really an advantage unless you are attractive.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 1
    #23510760 - 08/04/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@Mescalean - I can't answer for them and tbh I haven't read their posts at all, or anyone else's in this thread except for JSB's when he thought I was replying to him lol.


It sounds like, when it comes to the core issues we agree. I do agree that we're living in an interesting time where there's a lot of one sided dialogue about certain issues and a complete dismissal over possible consequences of this behavior as well as any other issues that are not deemed to fall into the 'appropriate rhetoric'. I think that partially media and the internet can be blamed for forming this very destructive echo chamber - a lot of women imo, are not nearly as extreme as the loudest people in the movement, but I think people in general are afraid more than ever to think for themselves for fear of being ostracized or worse, branded as a racist or a sexist. And while there are certainly racists and sexists out there, I think what this echo chamber is doing is further polarizing people who really have perfectly moderate opinions - the women afraid to speak out against the things they see wrong with feminism, and the men who aren't misogynistic but rightfully angry that their entire gender is being attacked and that they cannot talk about the very real issues they too face without being called a lot of awful things.

Additionally, because this movement discourages candid albeit sometimes harsh conversation, because it discourages thinking for yourself if what you think does not fall within the appropriate rhetoric and because that rhetoric preaches a victim mentality towards all women and the mentality that if you're a cis male that you are inherently wrong in some way just for your very existence - well really I see it as particularly destructive towards both men and women, and actually kinda..furthering sexism.

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    #23510762 - 08/04/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:no:

This is art.



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    #23510784 - 08/04/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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interesting how that works eh.



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    #23510787 - 08/04/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Life is so absurd isn't it? :lol:


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    #23510807 - 08/04/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@Mescalean - I can't answer for them and tbh I haven't read their posts at all, or anyone else's in this thread except for JSB's when he thought I was replying to him lol.


It sounds like, when it comes to the core issues we agree. I do agree that we're living in an interesting time where there's a lot of one sided dialogue about certain issues and a complete dismissal over possible consequences of this behavior as well as any other issues that are not deemed to fall into the 'appropriate rhetoric'. I think that partially media and the internet can be blamed for forming this very destructive echo chamber - a lot of women imo, are not nearly as extreme as the loudest people in the movement, but I think people in general are afraid more than ever to think for themselves for fear of being ostracized or worse, branded as a racist or a sexist. And while there are certainly racists and sexists out there, I think what this echo chamber is doing is further polarizing people who really have perfectly moderate opinions - the women afraid to speak out against the things they see wrong with feminism, and the men who aren't misogynistic but rightfully angry that their entire gender is being attacked and that they cannot talk about the very real issues they too face without being called a lot of awful things.

Additionally, because this movement discourages candid albeit sometimes harsh conversation, because it discourages thinking for yourself if what you think does not fall within the appropriate rhetoric and because that rhetoric preaches a victim mentality towards all women and the mentality that if you're a cis male that you are inherently wrong in some way just for your very existence - well really I see it as particularly destructive towards both men and women, and actually kinda..furthering sexism.

interesting how that works eh.




I agree. The loud ones do make it worse for the entire sex. In both male and female. I personally have never been a fan of loud people and find them obnoxious as fuck but that's just me. And I guess while I can't say I hold any anger towards to issue or females there is resentment. For example and issue at work happened recently with "sensitivity" the males being ostracized when the female made clear physical threats of stabbing people while we had our daily game of talk shit, which she said herself "im one of the guys it doesnt bug me i can hang". Her threats of physical violence compare nothing to threats of farting in ones face ( ahhh that made me lol), yet were completely ignored. Almost as if our boss didn't want to "bring anymore shit on himself", which can I blame him? No /: he has a business and family. But the same goes for many issues today. And I'll put in in the simplest terms I know. America is soft as baby shit now. I was thrown into adult hood just as all this overly pc bullshit started being pushed. In the words of randy marsh "i thought this was america"


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 1
    #23510827 - 08/04/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i'm amazed at how much this thread has taken off


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23510845 - 08/04/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've never met anyone so interested in talking about privilege and oppression as the members here who insist that feminism is a threat to our society.

I always hear, "tell me how women are oppressed in modern America..." but I would like someone to tell me what feminists do here at the shroomery that warrants making all these threads in opposition to them.  The people who seem most interested in gender politics here are anti-feminists.




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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #23510848 - 08/04/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No you're not the best. You're a coward and this crazy talk won't get you laid. Trust.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510870 - 08/04/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So name some examples of how they are oppressed in america today. I don't deny they had it rough in the past. But I'm talking about today buddy. We live in the 20th century not 10 AD. Also I keep seeing this they make less claim, someone please show me specifically the careers and pay rates. Because from what I have read it was a bullshit study that took yearly income into account not position or career path....




for example my housemate just pointed out the pokemon in pokemon go when male are called pidgeotto or whatever but when female some bs variation like 'pidgette'

just the usual casual pervasive bs of our society reinforcing that male is the norm (which you'd expect from a society with our history where women couldnt vote 100 years ago).

..in past pokemon games the female gendered pokemon were always the weaker ones too.. :shrug:

that's just one small example... look at hollywood ageing actors and see how many female roles there are. look at directors and see how many women there are. look at ceos and see how many women there are. look at sports and see how many women there are. :blah:


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Shiithead]
    #23510877 - 08/04/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this had merit but then completely misses on how creativity can not be tamed. its art not a sport.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: quinn]
    #23510888 - 08/04/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your right see this see that blah blah blah is all I hear. Is that not the woman's choice to enter that career path? Does a good amount of the female population CHOOSE to raise a family at home? Sounds like your assuming a lot in the name of promoting your agenda.

Once again, instead of using some stupid hipster video game to show "sexism" (so by your logic steve should be a unisex name, okay.) use a real world example with out assuming situations. You failed to provide any real evidence.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23510896 - 08/04/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the point of the thread is to show the absurdity and hypocrisy of the anti-white male movement.  The women get offended at being shown what would be perceived as privilege but they often accuse (specifically white) males of the same kind of shit.  I personally wouldn't walk around like "female privilege!" but if a woman tried to throw "male privilege" in my face I'd just laugh and probably remember this thread and laugh harder.



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    #23510906 - 08/04/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this had merit but then completely misses on how creativity can not be tamed. its art not a sport.




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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23510977 - 08/04/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

1. what are you talking about? i never mentioned anything about career paths and raisng families :confused:

2. ok what are the chances of a woman's career path leading her to play in the NFL one of the highest grossing industries in the world?
(answer: it's 0 regardless of what choices she makes)

that's an extreme example but women's careers are often compromised because they enter into work environments that are dominated by and favour males. ive noticed many women have to learn about and manufacture an interest in sports just to have something to say in office conversation.

3. you agree that sexism existed in our past but cant fathom it existing now like they are unrelated? its everywhere.

you want a hard statistic? 90% of adult rape victims are female. 1 in 6 women in america are victims of attempted or completed rape. there is still a gender pay gap. is that enough? :blah:..


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: quinn]
    #23510989 - 08/04/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You want something hard?  More men are raped in the U.S. than woman, according to figures that include sexual abuse in prisons. In 2008, it was estimated 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, according to the Department of Justice figures. That is compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.





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Re: Female privilege? [Re: quinn] * 1
    #23511004 - 08/04/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You automatically negate yourself from this topic. I'm going to assume your one of the many brainwashed sheep probably a millennial in college. NFL as an example yet your cause claims a man should never hit a woman. There is a womens football league and don't bitch about the attire as they have zero problem with it. A 6'5" 285 lb linebacker running full speed... At a woman. You obviously don't live in reality buddy.


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    #23511009 - 08/04/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You want something hard?  More men are raped in the U.S. than woman, according to figures that include sexual abuse in prisons. In 2008, it was estimated 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, according to the Department of Justice figures. That is compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.Oct 8, 2013




that is fucked up and america is fucked up.

but do you want to know where the real gender inequality is here? in who is doing the raping. men are responsible for all those rapes in prison as well as most of the women so thanks for proving my point :thumbup:


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23511011 - 08/04/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men





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1. what are you talking about? i never mentioned anything about career paths and raisng families :confused:

2. ok what are the chances of a woman's career path leading her to play in the NFL one of the highest grossing industries in the world?
(answer: it's 0 regardless of what choices she makes)

that's an extreme example but women's careers are often compromised because they enter into work environments that are dominated by and favour males. ive noticed many women have to learn about and manufacture an interest in sports just to have something to say in office conversation.

3. you agree that sexism existed in our past but cant fathom it existing now like they are unrelated? its everywhere.

you want a hard statistic? 90% of adult rape victims are female. 1 in 6 women in america are victims of attempted or completed rape. there is still a gender pay gap. is that enough? :blah:..





And no it is not enough. You still have yet to provide any real evidence. Quit trying so hard to white knight for the feminist cause. You are grasping at straws at this point. No where do I see any statistics showing these numbers you speak of. Surely if it existed the liberals would have done some study on it. That or its fabricated bullshit like the rest of 3rd wave feminism. I'll be back tomorrow to read more babble from you and hopefully more intelligent posts from people like pirate jokes maybe shroomism has some great points


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23511017 - 08/04/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it seems to have gone right over your head that the popular industry was invented by, played by and created for men not women. i wonder why that is :rolleyes:


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You want something hard?  More men are raped in the U.S. than woman, according to figures that include sexual abuse in prisons. In 2008, it was estimated 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, according to the Department of Justice figures. That is compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.Oct 8, 2013




that is fucked up and america is fucked up.

but do you want to know where the real gender inequality is here? in who is doing the raping. men are responsible for all those rapes in prison as well as most of the women so thanks for proving my point :thumbup:






and men were also the victims, dont trivialize the fact that those men were
victimized and arent even included as a rape statistic, the FBI refused to
even acknowledge that men could be raped until just a few years ago

let me ask, how often are women prosecuted for having sex with men that are drunk
or otherwise incapacitated? will you defend the female privilege and rap culture
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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23511675 - 08/05/16 04:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23511692 - 08/05/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Men who are incapacitated with drunkenness usually can't get it up. I'm sure many would probably integrate the trauma of the rape in terms of their shame over not being able to get it up. Most young guys would never report an episode of ED to the police.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #23511851 - 08/05/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Men who are incapacitated with drunkenness usually can't get it up.





oh, so now you're victim blaming, he could get an erection so clearly he must have wanted it

so if drunk men cant get it up, how can so many drunk men be charged with rape?


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I'm sure many would probably integrate the trauma of the rape in terms of their shame over not being able to get it up. Most young guys would never report an episode of ED to the police.




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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23511863 - 08/05/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men



Lies. However female privelage is called male cheuvanism.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23511881 - 08/05/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Men who are incapacitated with drunkenness usually can't get it up.




Speak for your former self.


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    #23511891 - 08/05/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mescalean said:lol no reply to pris' question. huh



lol u r a cool lil' troll.. tho unlike u i have a life outside of logging on to the shroomery to complain about women

@pris
i wouldn't trivialize the fact. i think male rape is a real problem and i think part of that problem is masculinity. where men are expected to be these tough, fearless brutes and expressing insecurities is seen as weak and 'feminine'.. which makes talking about real issues like rape or abuse that much harder to bring to light..

i also wouldnt trivialize that male rapists are a problem for both genders, whether it is men raping women in society or men raping men in prison where there are no women.. that does seem to be a gendered issue. i dont know how many women are raping men in the same way but if you could enlighten us on that it would be welcomed.

besides all that though the facts remain we live in a sexist society and i dont think it's anyone's fault it is the product of a history of physical violence and male dominance. it is what it is. if i was a woman growing up through the last century and i found out that all the men who seemed to support me and encourage me and who i bared my soul to were actually part of a system skewed in their favor in most every way and my sex despite being equal in intelligence and capability were left out to the sidelines to be passed over and forgotten by history.. i would be hella pissed!

and you know, i dont have to look far either to see the different directions life took my grandparents in, or my parents, or my uncles or aunts.. dont kid yourself that we are out of that world.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: quinn]
    #23511923 - 08/05/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mescalean said:lol no reply to pris' question. huh



lol u r a cool lil' troll.. tho unlike u i have a life outside of logging on to the shroomery to complain about women

@pris
i wouldn't trivialize the fact. i think male rape is a real problem and i think part of that problem is masculinity. where men are expected to be these tough, fearless brutes and expressing insecurities is seen as weak and 'feminine'.. which makes talking about real issues like rape or abuse that much harder to bring to light..

i also wouldnt trivialize that male rapists are a problem for both genders, whether it is men raping women in society or men raping men in prison where there are no women.. that does seem to be a gendered issue. i dont know how many women are raping men in the same way but if you could enlighten us on that it would be welcomed.





so the real rape culture is that no one care if men are raped, men who are victims
are expected to just suck it up and live with it while women are coddled and
called heros for coming forward

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23511975 - 08/05/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

who says noone cares if men are raped? any men who come forward should be coddled and called heroes just as much :shrug:


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23512006 - 08/05/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men




Female privilege: Being able to say what you just said and not have it seen as a direct emasculating insult toward all men


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: quinn] * 1
    #23512016 - 08/05/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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who says noone cares if men are raped? any men who come forward should be coddled and called heroes just as much :shrug:





yo simply blew it off as 'men commit the rapes in prison', clearly you dont care

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you want a hard statistic? 90% of adult rape victims are female. 1 in 6 women in america are victims of attempted or completed rape. there is still a gender pay gap. is that enough? :blah:..





it seems you want to spread lies about who's the largest sector of rape victims in
addition to other lies, we've already shown that men are 3 times more likely to be
raped and then you talk this shit about a gender wage gap that's nonexistent in
the US. in 1962 Kennedy signed an equal pay law making it illegal to pay someone
at a different rate based on sex


maybe you just like to swallow and regurgitate all the false liberal talking
points or maybe you can show us some ads in the jobs section of the news paper
where it offers a job at a lower rate to certain people based on their gender


the truth behind this gender gap is that they've averaged pay for make and
females, not based on specific jobs or even industries, they've gone across the
board with all men and all women, women tend to take jobs that pay a lower rate
such as teaching while more men go into engineering. if an engineering job pays
$80k per year and a reaching job pays $45k per year, and 70% of engineers are men
while 70% of teachers are women, sure, it will look as though there's a pay gap on
the surface when you compare the two occupations but when you compare what the men
and women in education are making you see that those teachers make the same based
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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23512104 - 08/05/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If a guy says he can't go someplace because his girlfriend doesn't want him to, then that's OK.  If a girl says she can't go someplace because her boyfriend doesn't want her to, then it's suspicious.

If a girl goes up and give a guy a random kiss, it's usually seen as sweet.  If a guy does the same, he's a creep.

If a girl works her butt off she's viewed as strong, if a guy does the same thing it's viewed as normal because he's a guy.


I think many women abuse the fact that the majority of society views them as delicate flowers, and many use this fact to cause all sorts of drama.  Don't get me wrong, I am not part of the he-man woman haters club, and not all women use this fact to their advantage, but I have seen my fair share of it in my life so far.

I feel like many women, not all women though so don't twist my words anyone, only want to be treated equally when it benefits them, but when it comes to being treated equally in all ways, they don't like that and often play the delicate flower card.


I worked at a moving company a few years back, there was a girl there and she was talking all sorts of shit to the guy that got me the job there, like how she was so strong because she was into cross-fit, and woman power, femnazi stuff, etc, but then near the end of the day my buddy was jesting back at her to keep up because she had clearly slowed, and she said "well I am a girl, and you're a guy" that's the shit I am talking about. 

People shouldn't be talking shit to begin with, just do the best you can do, man, woman, whatever, and recognize that we're all different, but also the same, as long as you're making progress that's all that matters.




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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23512171 - 08/05/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If a girl goes up and give a guy a random kiss, it's usually seen as sweet.  If a guy does the same, he's a creep.






no, they call that sexual assault on the indictment


it's amazing that the ones with the privilege are the ones claiming they have none
but the actual oppressed and discriminated against are the ones claimed to have all
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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23512439 - 08/05/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How did I ever guess soph would be up in here saying female privilege doesn't exist.[/quote)

Idk how anyone can deny female privelage its in your face everywhere you go. Not to say males dont have certain(few at that) privelages in society, but overall females have it much much easier than men.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23512478 - 08/05/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's easy when you're tying to push certain agendas rather than talking about what is actually going on in the world. You can point to just about any group of people and find "privileges" they have. To say otherwise is absurd or even delusional. Now I know soph is getting ready to go "So you admit white privilege exists!" which I do to an extent. It doesn't really exist the way it's portrayed or used by people like soph though. Every group's "privileges" also come at a cost. My "white privilege" or "male prilege" may grant me benefit of the doubt in certain situations, but in others I automatically become unfairly suspect. I'm purposely avoiding example because I really don't care to get into the debate on what does and does not happen but if any average person thinks for a moment I'm sure they'll be able to come up with examples of their own.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23512489 - 08/05/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fennario said:
If a girl goes up and give a guy a random kiss, it's usually seen as sweet.  If a guy does the same, he's a creep.




no, they call that sexual assault on the indictment

it's amazing that the ones with the privilege are the ones claiming they have none
but the actual oppressed and discriminated against are the ones claimed to have all
the privilege




Any court cases you can drag up on a biological female getting charged with sexual assault from a random kiss? Not like a female putting someone on the ground and slobbering all over them; but a normal, random, kiss. I just can't see a judge going through with a case like that wherein an average female (build, etc..) kisses an an average guy and would get sentenced for sexual assault.

Either way, thicker skin is needed almost universally, unless you actually were physically forced to kiss someone, or passed an STD, I don't see the damage in a random kiss. I would never go up to a stranger and kiss them, out of common respect, but a sexual assault charge seems excessive.

I was lying down with my eyes closed next to a girl, and she stole a kiss, is that sexual assault? There was no force or consent involved. I think I need to take a long shower, I feel dirty. :rolleyes:.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23512553 - 08/05/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I love how the MRA's will accuse feminists of ignoring male rape with one breath and then trivialize male rape with the next. It's you guys again who are at the root of that problem.

Women do rape men. Rape doesn't have to take the form of forceful penetration.

However, I wouldn't call it an article of "female privilege" that woman-on-man rape goes underreported. Women do not benefit from it unless they belong in prison. Rather, I expect that many men who have been raped by a woman are so attached to their privilege that they would never compromise it by confessing their victimization by a member of the "subordinate" sex.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23512570 - 08/05/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I love how the MRA's will accuse feminists of ignoring male rape with one breath and then trivialize male rape with the next.

Women do rape men. Rape doesn't have to take the form of forceful penetration.

However, I wouldn't call it an article of "female privilege" that woman-on-man rape goes underreported. Women do not benefit from it unless they belong in prison. Rather, I expect that men who have been raped by a woman are so attached to their privilege that they would never compromise it by confessing their victimization by a member of the "subordinate" sex.




I believe people are talking about male on male prison rape, not females raping males outside prison.

Who the hell believes there's a subordinate sex? Idiots, maybe... I see a strawman poking out from behind a corner, it's hiding behind the blanket title of "feminism".


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    #23512626 - 08/05/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23512704 - 08/05/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In my life I give females TONS of privilege. In fact I take my privilege and give it to the woman I'm with. My last gf said I constantly self sacrificed for her. I thought it was called being a gentleman but I realized it was more just catering to her every need in hopes of that getting her in the mood. It never did. It was sweet but not sexy.Turns out I don't need to put any effort in to get sex,I never even considered that a few years ago. Now I just have to say "let's fuck" basically.After this last chick I'm still trying to be a gentleman but I found out I don't have to bend over backwards for a woman. and Honestly most women probably don't want anyone bending over backwards for them because they're after all human.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #23512787 - 08/05/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno, woman love to be catered too unless it's not exactly what they desire.  Men are this way also.


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    #23512818 - 08/05/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think what it comes down to is some do some don't and it depends on if they can or want to cater to you.For the majority though if she/he can't keep up as far as reciprocating it becomes one person being super romantic and the other person feeling inadequate or overwhelmed. I think every woman likes a little romance but there is for sure a line of being too consistently nice and thoughtful.  Not many women want constant romance and attention . After a few months of that it can ruin a relationship.


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    #23512819 - 08/05/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This thread offends me as a vegan transgender atheist who vapes and crossfits 4 times a week and im also a male feminist as I identify myself as a pastafarian apache helicopter dog mega multi combo god of hyper death and if you dont agree with me. You're an ignorant arrogant globaphobic sexist lesbian :cookiemonster:

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean]
    #23512861 - 08/05/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

women do have some advantages over men that could be construed as privilege, however all balanced out I think it's ridiculous to say that the privileges of women are equal to those of men, or greater. Culturally women still have a lot to deal with, probably always will, and that's just how it is.

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    #23512882 - 08/05/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You have to have exacts. You cant be all "well I got a rough idea of what it is. I think that isnt true." What do women have to face? Catcalling? Most of them would be offended if they stopped getting hit on. Pregnancy? Whoa is me. Kidney stones are far worse. Is it rape? We all face that. Domestic violence? Thats about 50/50 for both genders. Is it the gender gap in high powered jobs? Theres no laws or rules preventing them from participating. So wheres this oppression?


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    #23512916 - 08/05/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23512948 - 08/05/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to point out that kidney stones don't last 9 months... In my case they lasted 6 months though because I got kidney stones DURING pregnancy and they could do nothing about it but keep me comfortable... Meaning strong pain meds and making sure I didn't pass out every time I stood up.

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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Mescalean] * 1
    #23514349 - 08/05/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't really read any of the replies. But I do think there is definite female privilege as well as male privilege.

I don't like to go deep into it tho but recognize it is apparent in society based upon assumed roles of people who value the traditional sex roles.


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    #23514356 - 08/05/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Saw this and thought, why not ask the pub if they agree or not.

"1. Female privilege is being able to walk down the street at night without people crossing the street because they’re automatically afraid of you.
2. Female privilege is being able to approach someone and ask them out without being labeled “creepy.”
3. Female privilege is being able to get drunk and have sex without being considered a rapist. Female privilege is being able to engage in the same action as another person but be considered the innocent party by default.




LOL, some of these are laughable. Notice how most of these so-called "privileges" only exist because men are by default, usually the ones that commit violent crimes and rapes.

Seriously, it's a privilege to have people crossing the street next to you because they're not afraid of you? Isn't that a better privilege than being stalked or followed at night because you're seen as an easy target?

Perhaps if men didn't rape, rob, or kill people so often these 3 "privileges" wouldn't even exist.

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4. Female privilege is being able to turn on the TV and see yourself represented in a positive way. Female privilege is shows like King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond where women are portrayed as attractive, competent people while men are shown as ugly, lazy slobs.




Oh is that right? You mean portrayed in positive ways, like the Real Housewives of whatever shows, in pornography, and always being maids or something in cleaning product commercials?

Anyway, one could argue that a constantly positive role of women in media is actually harmful, especially to mothers. Mothers are always expected to be perfect. Do one thing wrong as a mom, and you're seen as a bad mom. Do one minor thing right as a dad, and you're seen as a hero awesome dad.

Part of this is because of the expectation that moms are supposed to be perfect. Moms are always supposed to be the ones to keep a perfectly clean house, and is supposed to be the gourmet chef, and the one that makes sure their kids go to school on time and go to all their appointments. But dads, they can keep their house unkempt and feed their kids Hot Pockets, and whatever, they're just being a typical dad. I would hardly call it a privilege to be held to such an impossibly high standard, and therefore chastised whenever you make a small error.

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7. Female privilege is not having to support a child financially for 18 years when you didn’t want to have it in the first place.




That's bull, women pay child support if they don't have primary custody.

And personally, I think whoever is stuck with the kid loses. You get off easy if you only pay child support. Child support is cheap AF and requires literally no work outside of delivering a paycheck. Court-ordered child support payments only average like $300 a month. It costs way more than that to raise a kid, not to mention all the work and shit. If you're complaining about forking over a couple hundred a month to raise your own spawn, I really can't help you there.

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8. Female privilege is never being told to “take it like a man” or “man up.”




No, instead women are told from childhood "he teases you or bullies you or hits you because he likes you," what kind of nonsense is that?

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9. Female privilege is knowing that people would take it as a gravely serious issue if someone raped you. Female privilege is being able to laugh at a “prison rape” joke.




Because only women laugh at prison jokes? Most of the time comedians on stage telling prison jokes are men. Perhaps if your problem is with prison jokes, you ought to take it up with the men perpetuating these kind of jokes.

Second, nobody takes them seriously, in fact people often question rape victim's motives and ask them whether they are lying.

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13. Female privilege is not having to take your career seriously because you can depend on marrying someone who makes more money than you do. Female privilege is being able to be a “stay at home mom” and not seem like a loser.




Ahahahhaa.... that my friends, is called "beauty" and "youth" privilege. Ain't no way in hell an ugly woman can depend on this.

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14. Female privilege is being able to cry your way out of a speeding ticket.




This is a myth, that never actually happens IRL. In fact, IME cops hate weak people, especially women, who cry. It's no surprise, cops are often misogynists, who believe women are always trying to manipulate men by crying.

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15. Female privilege is being favored by teachers in elementary, middle and high school. Female privilege is graduating high school more often, being accepted to more colleges, and generally being encouraged and supported along the way.




If that is the case, then explain why boys start doing better than girls in high school?

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16. Female privilege being able to have an opinion without someone tell you you’re just “a butthurt fedora-wearing neckbeard who can’t get any.”




No, instead we're called "bitches" if we voice any opinion especially with any assertion or aggression. Oh, and much like in this thread here, from the very OP himself, any time we make an argument we're told we're "illogical" or "emotion-based." Way to go showing your male privilege, OP. :lol:



Look, I'll acknowledge the fact that female privilege exists in certain aspects--like for example, the fact that police usually don't tend to see us as criminals, and therefore usually don't profile us or target us, unless it looks like we're street prostitutes or something. But to say that these above quoted statements are "privileges" is absurd.


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    #23514383 - 08/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You should make an opposite list where the negatives of females are changed to male, Crystal.


Except I have cried out of a speeding ticket. I have been pulled over 12 times and I only got one ticket, only once did I cry though. My mother said it is because I look absolutely frazzled and innocent. She's never gotten off that way. :lol:


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    #23514394 - 08/05/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking of starting a thread earlier so we could all chip into a list of 'male' & 'female' privileges. Shroomy style.

But then I got lost chatting to a homeless guy in the city and playing with his dog and I was so overwhelmed with compassion I completely forgot about it by the time I got back to work...


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    #23514395 - 08/05/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:tldr:


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: pachoo]
    #23514423 - 08/05/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I actually know of 2 guys that were raped by the same girl.

One of them was at a small house party and she dragged him into a side room and since he's a small guy and she's a bigger girl he couldn't really get away.  He was saying "NO!!" but was wasted.  The people in the room just laughed because everyone was messed up and it seemed comical(female rape privilege?).  IDK if she fucked him or sucked him or the details I just know that after he came out of the room and said "I did not want that to happen."

It's well known among the group of people.  She didn't think she raped one of them, and the other one she denied messing with altogether but both of them said she took advantage of them in altered states.

The girl was recently called out about it and she is embarrassed because she has a bit of a drinking problem and doesn't really remember it.  She thinks everybody hates her but they don't.  They just called her out when she tried to make a different guy feel guilty for being a little too grabby with a different girl at a recent party.


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    #23514439 - 08/05/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That is awful and definitely happens, even though extremely less frequently than male rape.

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    #23514471 - 08/05/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You should make an opposite list where the negatives of females are changed to male, Crystal.


Except I have cried out of a speeding ticket. I have been pulled over 12 times and I only got one ticket, only once did I cry though. My mother said it is because I look absolutely frazzled and innocent. She's never gotten off that way. :lol:




That ticket thing would never work for me.

Here are a few I came up with off the top of my head, I'm sure I can think of more, this is just what I thought of in the past 15 minutes.

1. Being held to an impossibly high standard as a parent, moms who make 1 mistake are demonized while men who do 1 thing right, even if it's something as simple as changing a diaper or going to their kid's PTA meeting, is seen as a celebrated hero dad.

2. Being stalked, robbed, or raped because you're seen as an "easy" target.

3. Women are expected to give up their careers and be a domestic slave, essentially (for no pay too by the way), once they get married or have kids. If she ever gets pregnant, she will be the one expected to stay at home and spend all those sleepless nights changing diapers and feeding the baby, even if she is the one that makes more money than him. And that is regardless of whether she wants to be the primary stay at home parent or not.

4. The privilege of not being judged by your entire sex for making a mistake. Nobody will say "Oh, he didn't do his job right because he's a man." And just remember that virtually all fields are still rife with some form of misogyny.

5. The privilege of being seen in politics, and not having your gender work against you in powerful positions. 90% of politicians are still male, and 10% of Americans say they still would not vote for a female politician.

6. Women are expected to be the ones responsible for birth control, even though that very same birth control comes with numerous side effects that are hazardous for mental and physical health. So basically we are expected to go on medicine that harms our health, and lowers our sex drive, all so men can raw-dog us.

7. Men have the privilege to speak with authority, and still be respected, while a woman who does the same is seen as "bossy" or "bitchy."

8. Men aren't judged by their appearance nearly as much. Basically, as long as men wear a clean shirt, and have combed hair, he is fine in the looks department and can go about the world this way. Women on the other hand, have to shave, bleach their facial hair, and wear makeup, and do all this other time-consuming shit in order to look acceptable.

9. Male fashion is free-flowing and comfortable. Women's fashion is restrictive, allows for limited range of mobility, and serves to make us weaker and more vulnerable. High heels, fake nails, mini skirts, the list goes on and on...

10. Having a child hurts only women in their careers, while men continue to improve in their careers despite having children. This is proven even in statistics, regarding a man vs woman's pay after each child.

11. Female victims are often shamed and blamed, while the male perpetrators are seen as "just being men" for acting on their innate aggression or perversion.

12. Female gold-diggers are heavily shamed, while the very same men who exploit and use them as sex objects, nobody seems to criticize.

13. Women cheaters are heavily criticized and shamed, while male cheaters are kind of seen as funny, and people are more willing to cover for a male cheater.

14. Men can get gray hair, or get fat, or age any way they wish. Men can have no hair on their heads, or have massive bushes all over their legs and back, while women who don't shave are seen as disgusting or unhygienic.

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    #23514478 - 08/05/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men




This statement supports #16.


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pachoo said:
You should make an opposite list where the negatives of females are changed to male, Crystal.


Except I have cried out of a speeding ticket. I have been pulled over 12 times and I only got one ticket, only once did I cry though. My mother said it is because I look absolutely frazzled and innocent. She's never gotten off that way. :lol:




That ticket thing would never work for me.

Here are a few I came up with off the top of my head, I'm sure I can think of more, this is just what I thought of in the past 15 minutes.

1. Being held to an impossibly high standard as a parent, moms who make 1 mistake are demonized while men who do 1 thing right, even if it's something as simple as changing a diaper or going to their kid's PTA meeting, is seen as a celebrated hero dad.

2. Being stalked, robbed, or raped because you're seen as an "easy" target.

3. Women are expected to give up their careers and be a domestic slave, essentially (for no pay too by the way), once they get married or have kids.

4. The privilege of not being judged by your entire sex for making a mistake. Nobody will say "Oh, he didn't do his job right because he's a man." And just remember that virtually all fields are still rife with some form of misogyny.

5. The privilege of being seen in politics, and not having your gender work against you in powerful positions. 90% of politicians are still male, and 10% of Americans say they still would not vote for a female politician.

6. Women are expected to be the ones responsible for birth control, even though that very same birth control comes with numerous side effects that are hazardous for mental and physical health. So basically we are expected to go on medicine that harms our health, and lowers our sex drive, all so men can raw-dog us.

7. Men have the privilege to speak with authority, and still be respected, while a woman who does the same is seen as "bossy" or "bitchy."

8. Men aren't judged by their appearance nearly as much. Basically, as long as men wear a clean shirt, and have combed hair, he is fine in the looks department and can go about the world this way. Women on the other hand, have to shave, bleach their facial hair, and wear makeup, and do all this other time-consuming shit in order to look acceptable.

9. Male fashion is free-flowing and comfortable. Women's fashion is restrictive, allows for limited range of mobility, and serves to make us weaker and more vulnerable. High heels, fake nails, mini skirts, the list goes on and on...

10. Having a child hurts only women in their careers, while men continue to improve in their careers despite having children. This is proven even in statistics, regarding a man vs woman's pay after each child.

11. Female victims are often shamed and blamed, while the male perpetrators are seen as "just being men" for acting on their innate aggression or perversion.

12. Female gold-diggers are heavily shamed, while the very same men who exploit and use them as sex objects, nobody seems to criticize.

13. Women cheaters are heavily criticized and shamed, while male cheaters are kind of seen as funny, and people are more willing to cover for a male cheater.

14. Men can get gray hair, or get fat, or age any way they wish. Men can have no hair on their heads, or have massive bushes all over their legs and back, while women who don't shave are seen as disgusting or unhygienic.

Etc.





The fact that men have some of the privileges you listed (some of which I would argue against if I was in the mood) does not imply that women do not have privileges too.  Both men and women can have their own privileges.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23514488 - 08/05/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The fact that men have some of the privileges you listed (some of which I would argue against if I was in the mood) does not imply that women do not have privileges too.  Both men and women can have their own privileges.




Please refer to my earlier statement, I was only listing some male privileges since another member asked me for some off the top of my head

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Look, I'll acknowledge the fact that female privilege exists in certain aspects--like for example, the fact that police usually don't tend to see us as criminals, and therefore usually don't profile us or target us, unless it looks like we're street prostitutes or something. But to say that these above quoted statements are "privileges" is absurd.





I mean, if you're going to cite female privilege, at least mention legitimate privileges, such as conscription or being drafted in the military or something.


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    #23514491 - 08/05/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I expect that many men who have been raped by a woman are so attached to their privilege that they would never compromise it by confessing their victimization by a member of the "subordinate" sex.





hahaha.... do they have a handy "retarded quotes for progressives" book that you copy this shit from?


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    #23514502 - 08/05/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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pachoo said:
You should make an opposite list where the negatives of females are changed to male, Crystal.


Except I have cried out of a speeding ticket. I have been pulled over 12 times and I only got one ticket, only once did I cry though. My mother said it is because I look absolutely frazzled and innocent. She's never gotten off that way. :lol:




That ticket thing would never work for me.

Here are a few I came up with off the top of my head, I'm sure I can think of more, this is just what I thought of in the past 15 minutes.

1. Being held to an impossibly high standard as a parent, moms who make 1 mistake are demonized while men who do 1 thing right, even if it's something as simple as changing a diaper or going to their kid's PTA meeting, is seen as a celebrated hero dad.

2. Being stalked, robbed, or raped because you're seen as an "easy" target.

3. Women are expected to give up their careers and be a domestic slave, essentially (for no pay too by the way), once they get married or have kids. If she ever gets pregnant, she will be the one expected to stay at home and spend all those sleepless nights changing diapers and feeding the baby, even if she is the one that makes more money than him. And that is regardless of whether she wants to be the primary stay at home parent or not.

4. The privilege of not being judged by your entire sex for making a mistake. Nobody will say "Oh, he didn't do his job right because he's a man." And just remember that virtually all fields are still rife with some form of misogyny.

5. The privilege of being seen in politics, and not having your gender work against you in powerful positions. 90% of politicians are still male, and 10% of Americans say they still would not vote for a female politician.

6. Women are expected to be the ones responsible for birth control, even though that very same birth control comes with numerous side effects that are hazardous for mental and physical health. So basically we are expected to go on medicine that harms our health, and lowers our sex drive, all so men can raw-dog us.

7. Men have the privilege to speak with authority, and still be respected, while a woman who does the same is seen as "bossy" or "bitchy."

8. Men aren't judged by their appearance nearly as much. Basically, as long as men wear a clean shirt, and have combed hair, he is fine in the looks department and can go about the world this way. Women on the other hand, have to shave, bleach their facial hair, and wear makeup, and do all this other time-consuming shit in order to look acceptable.

9. Male fashion is free-flowing and comfortable. Women's fashion is restrictive, allows for limited range of mobility, and serves to make us weaker and more vulnerable. High heels, fake nails, mini skirts, the list goes on and on...

10. Having a child hurts only women in their careers, while men continue to improve in their careers despite having children. This is proven even in statistics, regarding a man vs woman's pay after each child.

11. Female victims are often shamed and blamed, while the male perpetrators are seen as "just being men" for acting on their innate aggression or perversion.

12. Female gold-diggers are heavily shamed, while the very same men who exploit and use them as sex objects, nobody seems to criticize.

13. Women cheaters are heavily criticized and shamed, while male cheaters are kind of seen as funny, and people are more willing to cover for a male cheater.

14. Men can get gray hair, or get fat, or age any way they wish. Men can have no hair on their heads, or have massive bushes all over their legs and back, while women who don't shave are seen as disgusting or unhygienic.

Etc.






hahahaha... no wonder no one takes this male privilege shit seriously other than
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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23514504 - 08/05/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wut, most of that is baseless generalization thats ignoring the other sides shit too. Ive seen both genders get shamed. Ive seen both genders shrug off parental responsibility. Ive seen strong women be treated with respect and admiration. Ive seen men take the leave and watch the kid. Men dont have have the selection of clothes as women do, and if you wanna dress in flowy clothing throw on a dress. Kind of fuckass shit is this?  None of these things are even real problems and dont reflect the reactions. of the greater part of society.


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    #23514506 - 08/05/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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hahahaha... no wonder no one takes this male privilege shit seriously other than
silly little progressives that think they're permanent victims. shed your chains




Speaking of victimization, let's look at the reality of the statistics, crime is often gender-based... 90% of violent crime is committed by males. The few women that commit these crimes, usually act with male accomplices.


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hahahaha... no wonder no one takes this male privilege shit seriously other than
silly little progressives that think they're permanent victims. shed your chains




Speaking of victimization, let's look at the reality of the statistics, crime is often gender-based... 90% of violent crime is committed by males. The few women that commit these crimes, usually act with male accomplices.





and most of the victims of violent crimes are also males


#femaleprivilege


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    #23514575 - 08/05/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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and most of the victims of violent crimes are also males


#femaleprivilege




Depends what crime we are talking about, if you're talking about domestic abuse women compose the primary numbers of victims, and female victims of domestic assault also compose 90% of hospitalization victims. If you're talking about rape, if you do not include the prison population and only look at normal society, women risk a higher risk of being raped.


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it seems you want to spread lies about who's the largest sector of rape victims in addition to other lies, we've already shown that men are 3 times more likely to be raped



where did i say they weren't? :confused:...

all i said was men are out and out the major perpetrators and men need to stop raping people.. they also need to be stop shooting people and being violent towards people.. that doesnt negate anything but it doesnt show any female privilege either.

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and then you talk this shit about a gender wage gap that's nonexistent in
the US. in 1962 Kennedy signed an equal pay law making it illegal to pay someone at a different rate based on sex




law does not magically change culture, mate. most drugs are illegal yet here we are :nut:..

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women tend to take jobs that pay a lower rate such as teaching while more men go into engineering.




i find this to be such bs.. look at wealth and power and see which gender is dominant and which genders they favour

how about... professional sport?
  • NFL - men
  • basketball - men
  • baseball - men
  • cricket - men
  • rugby - men
  • hockey - men
  • football - men


okay.. how about music over the years?
  • classical - men
  • jazz - men
  • rock - men
  • rap - men
  • dj (electronica) - men


ah hmm.. well, what about high paying jobs?
  • law - men
  • tech - men
  • startups - men
  • stockbroking - men
  • politics - men
  • programming - men
  • CEOS - men


"but women dont actually want power or money or independence they would rather teach the children"

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    #23514723 - 08/05/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've never met anyone so interested in talking about privilege and oppression as the members here who insist that feminism is a threat to our society.

I always hear, "tell me how women are oppressed in modern America..." but I would like someone to tell me what feminists do here at the shroomery that warrants making all these threads in opposition to them.  The people who seem most interested in gender politics here are anti-feminists.




Pretty much, this seems like all of what is behind the MRA movement. They blame everything from male conscription to male genital mutilation, all of course on feminists. Because women and feminists are what controls the government and also the people who are responsible for circumcision. :flowstone: Yep, it's all them.

Now, I can understand saying that there is a problem with these things, and that men's rights must be protected from such things. But to blame feminists for these problems like these guys do, it's pretty obvious these guys just have an axe to grind against women, and really don't give a shit about men.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23514770 - 08/05/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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and most of the victims of violent crimes are also males


#femaleprivilege




Depends what crime we are talking about, if you're talking about domestic abuse women compose the primary numbers of victims, and female victims of domestic assault also compose 90% of hospitalization victims.





that would be reported victims but that becomes skewed in many instances because
in most cases where a woman strikes a man and that man strikes her back, it's the
woman the cops side with because of the female privilege of 'a man should never
hit a woman' and it's the woman's report that's filed while the man goes to jail


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If you're talking about rape, if you do not include the prison population and only look at normal society, women risk a higher risk of being raped.





dont play your rape culture game here. first of all, most police jurisdictions
laugh when a man comes forward with rape allegations against a woman and you of
all people know it happens based on your own confessions, had he gone to the
police and said he was drugged and raped do you think the cops would have bothered
with it? do you think you would have been prosecuted as a rapist or a person that
drugged someone against their will/knowledge? had you been prosecuted do you think
that you would have seen the same sort of jail time as a man? I can tell you from
what I've seen in regards to women sexually abusing children in their care such as
teachers, they dont. many arent even required to register as sex offenders

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/butte/convicted-former-pe-teacher-wont-register-as-sex-offender/43848173

this woman was expected to only serve 9 months
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/15/chantae-gilman-woman-rapes-man-seattle_n_5824456.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_rape#Punishment_of_assailants
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Prison sentences for rape are not uniform. A study made by the U.S. Department of Justice of prison releases in 1992, involving about 80 percent of the prison population, found that the average sentence for convicted rapists was 9.8 years, while the actual time served was 5.4 years






now some things the FBI statistics show, about 10% of all reported rapes are men,
knowing what we do about this system, how many rapes went unreported because the
systems still doesnt recognize men as rape victims. we also know that by the FBI
statistics, 2 out of 3 rapes go unreported, if they're unreported, how do we know
the majority of these victims were not male? even you have stated that most men
wouldnt report it and you've stated yourself that you've raped before, how many
other women have done the same

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/almost-half-of-young-men-say-theyve-been-sexually-coerced/5343538578c90a60e70003bb

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/rape-happens-almost-just-as-often-to-men/



ok, so let's not include the fact that with the prison population where men are
raped at more than twice the number of reported rapes outside of prison walls that
men apparently are more than half the actual rape and sexual assault victims but
are the grossly under reported victims of you predatory women. now how about
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    #23514782 - 08/06/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i find this to be such bs.. look at wealth and power and see which gender is dominant and which genders they favour

how about... professional sport?
  • NFL - men
  • basketball - men
  • baseball - men
  • cricket - men
  • rugby - men
  • hockey - men
  • football - men


okay.. how about music over the years?
  • classical - men
  • jazz - men
  • rock - men
  • rap - men
  • dj (electronica) - men


ah hmm.. well, what about high paying jobs?
  • law - men
  • tech - men
  • startups - men
  • stockbroking - men
  • politics - men
  • programming - men
  • CEOS - men


"but women dont actually want power or money or independence they would rather teach the children"

oh yeah that must be it :rolleyes:





so none of this has changed in the last 60 years, are women disallowed from doing these things? are women forced to take low paying jobs? can women not be engineers, doctors, lawyers, CEOs and programmers? do women not also play sports?

you're really made a great argument, lol...


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    #23514796 - 08/06/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've never met anyone so interested in talking about privilege and oppression as the members here who insist that feminism is a threat to our society.

I always hear, "tell me how women are oppressed in modern America..." but I would like someone to tell me what feminists do here at the shroomery that warrants making all these threads in opposition to them.  The people who seem most interested in gender politics here are anti-feminists.




Pretty much, this seems like all of what is behind the MRA movement. They blame everything from male conscription to male genital mutilation, all of course on feminists. Because women and feminists are what controls the government and also the people who are responsible for circumcision. :flowstone: Yep, it's all them.

Now, I can understand saying that there is a problem with these things, and that men's rights must be protected from such things. But to blame feminists for these problems like these guys do, it's pretty obvious these guys just have an axe to grind against women, and really don't give a shit about men.




This is what I was trying to get at earlier-- it's ridiculous to blame "female privilege" for male norms. Women can't be held responsible for the way that men treat men. If m en are treating each other like shit, a real men's rights movement should focus on getting men to be more respectful to one another. MRA's should be focusing on men, not women.


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    #23514810 - 08/06/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that would be reported victims but that becomes skewed in many instances because
in most cases where a woman strikes a man and that man strikes her back, it's the
woman the cops side with because of the female privilege of 'a man should never
hit a woman' and it's the woman's report that's filed while the man goes to jail




Well, if you're ranking based on severity, you can bet that women are suffering far more severe beatings in domestic disputes, just based on the fact that an overwhelming majority of those hospitalized for domestic battery are women.

If you're going to cite that statistic that claims that "40% of victims of domestic violence are male," you should know that study used a methodology that merely cited ANY form of hitting/kicking/spitting/hair-pulling/clawing/whatever, no matter how severe or mild, into those statistics.

Important thing to note, that study also did not take who was the aggressor into account.

Meaning, if a man hit a woman, and she claws his face back in self defense, that man is also considered a "victim" under that methodology.

And of course, since fights where police are called often result in "she hit me," "he kicked me" accusations to prevent jail time from either party and shift the blame to the other person, it makes sense that the numbers would be this high.


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dont play your rape culture game here. first of all, most police jurisdictions
laugh when a man comes forward with rape allegations against a woman and you of
all people know it happens based on your own confessions, had he gone to the
police and said he was drugged and raped do you think the cops would have bothered
with it? do you think you would have been prosecuted as a rapist or a person that
drugged someone against their will/knowledge? had you been prosecuted do you think
that you would have seen the same sort of jail time as a man? I can tell you from
what I've seen in regards to women sexually abusing children in their care such as
teachers, they dont. many arent even required to register as sex offenders




I never drugged and raped anybody. I drugged my own self if you remember correctly. :cookiemonster:

But I've said previously, I personally don't think that female-on-male rape should carry the same offense as male-on-female rape. The reason for this, is because when you're being penetrated against your will, it is a lot more painful and can cause all sorts of tearing. Whereas simply having your penis enveloped is not as traumatic physically, or even mentally.

Seriously, ask yourself whether it would be more traumatic to have your anus penetrated, or your penis enveloped. Whether it would be more traumatic to have a nasty mofo riding your dick or sucking it. There's a reason there's different tiers of sexual abuse and violation, because not all of them are equal.

For this reason alone, I don't believe women are capable of rape, unless they anally or vaginally penetrate somebody else. They are most definitely capable of sexual assault or molestation, but the word rape is not used when you touch somebody, perform oral sex on somebody, or perform other sexual acts on them.

Having your penis enveloped would probably be the equivalent of a guy dry-humping and rubbing against your clitoris. Yeah, it's gross, but doesn't really have quite the same trauma factor.

Furthermore, I hate to say this, but a lot of men really like it when women "molest" them. At least when an attractive woman does it, provided she is not too much older. I'm sure an 18 year old would be grossed out by me molesting them now and so I wouldn't dare do it and risk being that skeevy old lady, but probably if I was 20 they would have enjoyed a grope here and then I'm sure. :cookiemonster: You know that's exactly the kind of story guys would be talking on and on and bragging for years about at the bar. :ilold:

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now some things the FBI statistics show, about 10% of all reported rapes are men,
knowing what we do about this system, how many rapes went unreported because the
systems still doesnt recognize men as rape victims.




Yes, that is a problem. But a lot of those rapes are by other men. And how is the issue of male rape victims not being taken seriously in judicial law the fault of women or feminists? If anything, it's a patriarchal view on society that perpetuates this myth, that men can never be victims.

I also find it ironic that so many men that campaign to get male rape victims get taken seriously, are also the same men that perpetuate the idea that you should always question and never believe women who say they are raped, because they are often doing it just for social or financial or political reasons. This is the only thing that makes me question the motives of these "male rape victim crusaders." Are they truly looking for the welfare of men, or are they attempting to gain dominance and control over women?

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/rape-happens-almost-just-as-often-to-men/

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ok, so let's not include the fact that with the prison population where men are
raped at more than twice the number of reported rapes outside of prison walls that
men apparently are more than half the actual rape and sexual assault victims but
are the grossly under reported victims of you predatory women. now how about
sticking that in your #femaleprivilege




I honestly don't know why people try to cite prison statistics to make the claim that men are raped more. Like first of all, the main reason male on male rape is so high in prison is only because women aren't there. If women and men were housed together in prison, of course the primary numbers of rape victims would be primarily women.


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    #23514826 - 08/06/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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so none of this has changed in the last 60 years, are women disallowed from doing these things? are women forced to take low paying jobs? can women not be engineers, doctors, lawyers, CEOs and programmers? do women not also play sports?



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    #23514827 - 08/06/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are you suggesting men are all part of a conspiracy to promote these things?
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    #23514834 - 08/06/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you suggesting men are all part of a conspiracy to promote these things? Do you honestly think we hold meetings on how to oppress women?

:loldongs:




Most definitely not like that, but it is systematic and to some degrees, even subconscious. And a lot of it stems from the innate belief that women are inferior or incapable of certain things, which is evidenced in this thread alone (OP himself and a couple other guys stated that women abide by "estrogen-driven logic" for example).

So, when people have these sort of sexist implications in their mind, they might actually behave in sexist ways without even consciously doing it. When you promote a team leader for example, you might pick a male who looks a particular way (say, slim, tall, with glasses)--who, in your mind, might be the best fit for the job, but you might not consciously realize that he may seem the best to you because of pre-conceived notions. Or when you walk into a store and you see 1 male, you might assume that the one guy is the manager.


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    #23514849 - 08/06/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i remember hanging out with some guys from my highschool not too long ago and one of them who seemed a well informed on many topics, intelligent and respectable and who i was kind of in awe of, out of nowhere started saying how he thought women were not as smart as men and only did well at tests because they are better organised and how their brains stop developing after highshcool and how they can't think rationally etc.. was kind of an eye opening moment for me


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    #23514851 - 08/06/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Women promote the submissive role just as much as the men do. Women are rhe first to discourage promescuity amoung eachother and the last to intiate anything sexually. Theyre the ones that expect to be takin care of and theyre the ones that swoon over the badboy violent type image. Both genders play their roles.


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Women promote the submissive role just as much as the men do. Women are rhe first to discourage promescuity amoung eachother and the last to intiate anything sexually. Theyre the ones that expect to be takin care of and theyre the ones that swoon over the badboy violent type image. Both genders play their roles.




Why do people conflate and confuse "bad boys" with violence?

The typical "bad boy" that women swoon over is just some lean guy with abs, and a tattoo on his upper arm who rides a motorcycle. He's the guy in the boy band that puts his hair in a mohawk and maybe wears leather jackets and is a LITTLE bit of a rebel, but not too much.

THAT is a "bad boy," the so-called "violent criminals" people are talking about are bad people.

There's a difference between being a bad BOY, and a bad PERSON.

I don't think today's women discourage promiscuity among each other, at least not the women I hang around. Maybe that was something women back in the day did. Maybe religious women do. Maybe married women do. I don't know, I don't hang around those circles.

But I would say that men often slut-shame as well. A lot of men say they would prefer to marry a virgin, that they do not ever want to date or marry a "slut."


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    #23514908 - 08/06/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do people conflate and confuse "bad boys" with violence?

The typical "bad boy" that women swoon over is just some lean guy with abs, and a tattoo on his upper arm who rides a motorcycle. He's the guy in the boy band that puts his hair in a mohawk and maybe wears leather jackets and is a LITTLE bit of a rebel, but not too much.

THAT is a "bad boy," the so-called "violent criminals" people are talking about are bad people.

There's a difference between being a bad BOY, and a bad PERSON.




:whatwhat:

Your generalization is really random.
That aside, my own anecdotal experience implies that you are incorrect.

Scum or otherwise, violent men generally seem to do well with women.

This is anecdotal bullshit however, like all of the content in this thread, and the idea of male privilege.


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Scum or otherwise, violent men generally seem to do well with women.




What do you mean seem to do well with women?


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He means he's had violent men in his life


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Scum or otherwise, violent men generally seem to do well with women.




What do you mean seem to do well with women?




We're talking about our personal experiences and observations here
For the sake of conversation though

The first five who come to mind, who I know personally
(Infantry, gang-banger, 3 brawlers) all sleep around, never single, basically have women chasing after them

They all attract much more attention than average


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We're talking about our personal experiences and observations here
For the sake of conversation though

The first five who come to mind, who I know personally
(Infantry, gang-banger, 3 brawlers) all sleep around, never single, basically have women chasing after them

They all attract much more attention than average




Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women? Because I have never heard of such a source, ergo what else could I possibly use aside from anecdotal evidence?

How attractive or confident would you say those guys are? Because these are definitely factors one should not overlook before concluding that it is the violence women are attracted to.


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Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women?




:lolwut:

Why dont you hold your accusations to your own standards?

http://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-barnes/2014/09/new-study-proves-that-men-dont-slut-shame-rich-women-do/


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    #23514971 - 08/06/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

CG, I disagree with what you said about female on male rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose from inside, seriously. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus while its own connective tissue with the pelvis is being stretched in a way it's not supposed to. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way.


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Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women?




:lolwut:

Why dont you hold your accusations to your own standards?

http://thoughtcatalog.com/james-b-barnes/2014/09/new-study-proves-that-men-dont-slut-shame-rich-women-do/




Congratulations on being able to use Google.

Anyway, it's untrue to say that men never slut-shame, plenty of men to this day still prefer virgin brides and say they don't want to be with a woman who's had over X amount of partners.

For example, here's a notorious website run purely by males, for men:

http://www.returnofkings.com/46543/women-should-save-their-virginity-for-marriage


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    #23514984 - 08/06/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

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He means he's had violent men in his life



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CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.




It's fairly common for men to have their dicks injured when bottoming even in consensual sex. So if the receptive top doesn't care about the bottom's well being, there is potential for them to do real harm, especially if they are physically larger. The top has control over the angle of penetration, they can adjust if the angle is uncomfortable for them. The bottom can't because they're pinned down.


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Are you implying that there are studies out there that have quantified exactly what percentage of women slut-shame promiscuous women? Because I have never heard of such a source, ergo what else could I possibly use aside from anecdotal evidence?




Polls could work to a degree.
Although getting an honest answer to "Do you like violent men?" would be problematic

I'm not necessarily criticizing anecdotal arguments as a whole, so much as being dismissive of this issue.


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How attractive or confident would you say those guys are? Because these are definitely factors one should not overlook before concluding that it is the violence women are attracted to.




All of the individuals discussed are arrogant.
There's no way to tell really, but the arrogance alone would help their cases.


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CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.




It's fairly common for men to have their dicks injured when bottoming even in consensual sex. So if the receptive top doesn't care about the bottom's well being, there is potential for them to do real harm, especially if they are physically larger. The top has control over the angle of penetration, they can adjust if the angle is uncomfortable for them. The bottom can't because they're pinned down.




Wouldn't this statement imply though, that the potential for pain is primarily exerted by the penetrators, rather than the people being penetrated?


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    #23515010 - 08/06/16 03:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men




No need to read the rest of the thread, this says it all.

Anyone who actually spends time with women knows this.

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CG, I disagree with what you said about female-on-mal rape... believe it or not, being forcibly mounted really fucks with your insides. It feels like your asshole is going to get torn loose, seriously. It hurts in a very alarming sort of way. Imagine that your dick is a battering ram being slammed backward against the muscular lining of your anus, it's not good.




That's, hmm.... interesting.

But if a woman was forcibly fucking a man that hard, wouldn't it hurt her too? I mean, I've noticed whenever one of us moves the wrong way and the dick bends weird in the pussy or something, it doesn't just hurt him, it hurts me as well. I imagine it'd be almost impossible for a woman to fuck a man to cause him pain without it causing her pain too.

Definitely gives me thought to consider though.




It's fairly common for men to have their dicks injured when bottoming even in consensual sex. So if the receptive top doesn't care about the bottom's well being, there is potential for them to do real harm, especially if they are physically larger. The top has control over the angle of penetration, they can adjust if the angle is uncomfortable for them. The bottom can't because they're pinned down.




Wouldn't this statement imply though, that the potential for pain is primarily exerted by the penetrators, rather than the people being penetrated?




I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

The one who has the potential to cause harm to the other through reckless disregard for their well being is the one who is in control.


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Female privilege does not exist outside of the troubled imaginations of desperate men




No need to read the rest of the thread, this says it all.

Anyone who actually spends time with women knows this.

All these men's rights PUA MGOW Pokemon GO hipster losers are just sad manchildren living in basemens playing with their manchild toys.




Cringe worthy  "You are one of us, or you are a POS."


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23515031 - 08/06/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.

The one who has the potential to cause harm to the other through reckless disregard for their well being is the one who is in control.




Well, for the record, I think anal rape should have a worse criminal sentence than vaginal rape. I mean, getting raped in the butt HAS to be more painful.


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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23515310 - 08/06/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
that would be reported victims but that becomes skewed in many instances because
in most cases where a woman strikes a man and that man strikes her back, it's the
woman the cops side with because of the female privilege of 'a man should never
hit a woman' and it's the woman's report that's filed while the man goes to jail




Well, if you're ranking based on severity, you can bet that women are suffering far more severe beatings in domestic disputes, just based on the fact that an overwhelming majority of those hospitalized for domestic battery are women.




"well it's always worse for women because they're women"

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If you're going to cite that statistic that claims that "40% of victims of domestic violence are male," you should know that study used a methodology that merely cited ANY form of hitting/kicking/spitting/hair-pulling/clawing/whatever, no matter how severe or mild, into those statistics.





or how ever nonexistent it is, plenty of women have never suffered abuse but have
filed reports against their spouse/SO simply because they could for what ever
vindictive reason they choose even when no violence occurred on the man's part


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Important thing to note, that study also did not take who was the aggressor into account.

Meaning, if a man hit a woman, and she claws his face back in self defense, that man is also considered a "victim" under that methodology.






except that it's nearly always the man that goes to jail if both parties had a
part in it and the one that's arrested is always considered the aggressor

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But I've said previously, I personally don't think that female-on-male rape should carry the same offense as male-on-female rape. The reason for this, is because when you're being penetrated against your will, it is a lot more painful and can cause all sorts of tearing. Whereas simply having your penis enveloped is not as traumatic physically, or even mentally.





rape is rape, but suddenly it's different when a woman does it to a man, she
shouldnt be punished for the act of rape because of some arbitrary bullshit
you've concocted


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For this reason alone, I don't believe women are capable of rape, unless they anally or vaginally penetrate somebody else. They are most definitely capable of sexual assault or molestation, but the word rape is not used when you touch somebody, perform oral sex on somebody, or perform other sexual acts on them.





and there's the feminazi double standard, so to you, no means yes as long as you
arent doing butt stuff to your victims, men shouldnt have a say in whether they
have sex or not, that only women have that power


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Furthermore, I hate to say this, but a lot of men really like it when women "molest" them. At least when an attractive woman does it, provided she is not too much older. I'm sure an 18 year old would be grossed out by me molesting them now and so I wouldn't dare do it and risk being that skeevy old lady, but probably if I was 20 they would have enjoyed a grope here and then I'm sure. :cookiemonster: You know that's exactly the kind of story guys would be talking on and on and bragging for years about at the bar. :ilold:





so you're saying that those make victims wanted it, was it because they were incapable of giving consent, maybe it was the way they were dressed or the way they looked at you.

you're promoting the rape of men because you believe they have fantasies of being
assaulted by a woman, so when you raped some guy it was because he wanted it


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http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/rape-happens-almost-just-as-often-to-men/





I honestly don't know why people try to cite prison statistics to make the claim that men are raped more. Like first of all, the main reason male on male rape is so high in prison is only because women aren't there. If women and men were housed together in prison, of course the primary numbers of rape victims would be primarily women.





feel free that even when excluding the prison rape statistics men are victimized
more than women and most times it's by women

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375635
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We investigated men's experience with unwanted sexual activity-including unwanted kissing, petting, or intercourse-engaged in because of physical or psychological pressure or from societal expectations about male sexuality. We developed a questionnaire asking if respondents had ever engaged in unwanted sexual activity for any of 51 reasons. This questionnaire was administered to 507 men and 486 women. More women (97.5%) than men (93.5%) had experienced unwanted sexual activity; more men (62.7%) than women (46.3%) had experienced unwanted intercourse. Using factor analysis, we grouped the 51 questionnaire items into 13 general reasons; we then compared percentages of men and women who had engaged in unwanted sexual activity for these 13 reasons. There were seven sex differences in reasons for unwanted sexual activity: Five were more frequent for women than men; two reasons were more frequent for men than women-peer pressure and desire for popularity. There were eight sex differences in reasons for unwanted intercourse; more men than women had engaged in unwanted intercourse for all eight. The double standard for male and female sexuality and implications for therapy are discussed.




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Re: Female privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23515712 - 08/06/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
How did I ever guess soph would be up in here saying female privilege doesn't exist.





Yeah I clicked on this thread and knew it would be only a few posts in

Good call sir

It's quite typical


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