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Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. *updated* * 1
    #23509832 - 08/04/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

As I was walking today on my hike being upset that someone picked the Macrolepiota I saw the other day, I found some unexpected shrooms which remind me of the libs I picked last year. The temps here now get around 30°C daytime and 15°C nighttime. We had some rain in the past days, but nothing too serious. I found these in South Eastern Europe , ~900m.

This is the first guy I found, shining trough tall grass clumps. The shape is somehow strange for a lib, but the gills and their color looked good:

       




Then I saw this one, growing some cm's away from the first, but being deeper in the grass. This one really looks lib-ish.You can see the purple spore print on the stem in 2nd and 3th pic.:

                 





About 1m away I found this smaller guy, looking strange for a lib, but still having lib characteristics:

   




Growing next to the stem of the specimen above, was this midget. Its cap is about 0.5cm wide. And it looked pretty much blue to me:





Some group photos:

                 

Habitat:




I like to think these are libs, but the conditions are really off now. Too warm(shroomery says they grow when temps drop to 15° daytime and 10° nighttime) and dry. We had 2-3 weeks of drought before the last rain. I don't think anyone would expect libs in Eastern Europe in early August, I've only seen finds from UK area and maybe Sweden(not sure) on the forum yet.
I'm spore printing these guys right now. I'm also quite sure I can see bruising on a stem.

Edited by reppc (10/03/17 02:22 PM)

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc]
    #23509847 - 08/04/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

They look like a  panaeolus sp. to me.


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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23509851 - 08/04/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Not libs looks like foe to me but I might just be seeing something different


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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Roro8]
    #23510075 - 08/04/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

They look like Psilocybe semilanceata to me.  But I've never run across a Psilocybe in person.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Roro8] * 1
    #23510083 - 08/04/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's liberty caps or a close related Psilocybe! :smile:

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I'm also quite sure I can see bruising on a stem.



Yes, I see it too, right where it meets the cap!

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23510340 - 08/04/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Not libs


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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Roro8]
    #23511514 - 08/05/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys. The bruising is evident on the stem(see pic below) and on the very small specimen's cap, so these are surely active. I am really curios if someone can say if these are semilanceata or another Psilocybe. I'm really excited right now. I think it's the first find in this part of Europe for this season.


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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc] * 1
    #23511566 - 08/05/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That's definitely some bruising.. you're not seeing things. Neat mushrooms.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Adden]
    #23511591 - 08/05/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe a member of the laccaria sp.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Adden]
    #23511600 - 08/05/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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That's definitely some bruising.. you're not seeing things. Neat mushrooms.





Thanks :grin:
Waiting for some TI to confirm libs or identify the species.


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Actually I'm not sure about laccaria, but the laccarias that grow in my area variate a fair bit.




These really can't be Laccaria sp.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc]
    #23511614 - 08/05/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Actually come to remember I found a specimen that looked exactly like that one day with a shit tonne of bruising, I'm pretty sure I ID it as a Lib so I think you have a good chance there.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin] * 2
    #23511640 - 08/05/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yay libs

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin] * 1
    #23511646 - 08/05/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's 100% a Psilocybe.

The only hang up I think most people here have is the lack of a nipple. This is however not uncommon among Psilocybe semilanceata (liberty cap), I have several in my gallery, just take look... When reppc said they where growing close together, there's a high chance of them being from the same mycelia (having the same genetics), therefore sharing the same appearance.

Now, when considering the other more or less probable species being this close to P. semilanceata in Europe and in this habitat, they are still not better matching these specific mushrooms than P. semilaceata. The mushrooms we see here lack nipples, annulus, not growing from dung etc. But yeah, there's still a small chance.

If reppc want to know for sure, he can send them to someone who will check with a microscope and is skilled with the species in questions, or even better, pay a small fee to have a part of the mushrooms DNA sequenced and then compare the result to other species from a database (the later is actually quite simple with BLAST).

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23511736 - 08/05/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Specimen 1 and 2 were indeed growing from the same mycelium. I buried it out of the ground check, but don't have any pics. The same goes for specimen 3 and 4(the micro one). The second group was ~1m away from the first.
These were found say 200m away from the spot I found libs last October. It's kind of a valley, with high grass bushes.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc] * 2
    #23511743 - 08/05/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybe semilanceata or a very closely related species. Nice find and pictures. :thumbup:


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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23511753 - 08/05/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys , it seems I'm very lucky :grin:
What I'm more "concerned" about at the moment, is why do the fruit in the current conditions.  :cookiemonster:

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc] * 1
    #23524560 - 08/09/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Went again today to the place, we had good rain yesterday.

No mushroom was visible "at the surface", but I've dug through the layer of grass and straws in the same area I've found specimen 1 and 2, and found a blue baby:

           


Bruising:

           



Not too far away I randomly raised the grass to see the soil, and saw another baby:

           

This one also show a bit of bruising.


Both of these babies look very different from lib pins I saw last season, as the one on my sig. Maybe it's another Psilocybe :confused:

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc]
    #23537894 - 08/13/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

We had again some serious rain as well as lower temps, and I went to my goldmine again today.
I spent hours looking in the same habitat, but couldn't see a single lib.

However, again 1m away from the place I found the first shrooms, popped up three more.

         

                         


Bruising:

       



These are surely active but very fragile and flat-cap compared to "classic" libs. I'm thinking more and more this is another close related Psilocybe.

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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: reppc]
    #23537937 - 08/13/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

wow, neat find. ive never found a lib, but i was under the impression that they very rarely bruised blue. these guys have quite a bit of noticeable blue/green staining.


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Re: Is it me - or are these libs? - South East Europe. [Re: Silky_Johnson]
    #23537949 - 08/13/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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wow, neat find. ive never found a lib, but i was under the impression that they very rarely bruised blue. these guys have quite a bit of noticeable blue/green staining.





Thank you. I've also often read libs rarely bruise. These guys might seriously be something else.

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