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FreeFall
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Can't trip again?!
#23507713 - 08/03/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey everybody, I've got a friend that is getting very frustrated with his mushrooms and their inability to take him for a trip...
About 8 years ago he followed the PF Tek and grew Golden Teacher for his first time. Apparently he lucked out and found that even small amounts (1g dry) would produce slight visuals and excellent meditation. Just 2.5g dry gave him a life altering experience that still sticks with him to this day.
Some time went by and eventually he ran out and decided to try it again. Followed the PF Tek, same spore supplier, same strain and... nothing. Even 3.5g dry barely had a noticeable effect. But not to be deterred he went through the process again and... nothing more than feeling slightly intoxicated but no visuals, sounds, other worldly connections etc.. But he remembers that first experience well so he tries again; same spore supplier, different strain... same lackluster results. This guy is stubborn so yet another batch of another strain is grown. NOTHING. At this point my friend is stumped, is it possible to have this many failed attempts in a row?
Is 3.5g dry supposed to just make him feel like he's slightly drunk?
Is there any way to ensure a better result or is it just luck?
Thanks for the input!
Edited by FreeFall (08/03/16 10:31 PM)
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23507943 - 08/03/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe try another spore supplier. Also, are you on any medication? That might explain why your friend can't trip
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23507951 - 08/03/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mushrooms can vary in potentcy a lot, especially if you're using MS syringes with no stabilized genetics. Maybe give it another go with spores from a Shroomery sponsor
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FreeFall
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: Nekobasu]
#23507990 - 08/03/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The supplier is a Shroomery sponsor but a new one sounds like a good idea.
Nope, no medication!
Assuming he has to order online is a syringe the best option?
Stabilized genetics is not possible in an MS syringe, correct?
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23508048 - 08/04/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23508094 - 08/04/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try isolating vectors on agar or taking a clone of your best fruit(s)
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23508120 - 08/04/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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FreeFall said: The supplier is a Shroomery sponsor but a new one sounds like a good idea.
Nope, no medication!
Assuming he has to order online is a syringe the best option?
Stabilized genetics is not possible in an MS syringe, correct?
Correct.
Sounds like you just had bad luck twice in a row. Grow out another batch and see what happens.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to get into bulk and agar so you can select for more potent fruits though, if this is going to be a regular thing.
Maybe try making tea and upping the dose, if you know that batch is pretty weak. Tea will hit harder and faster.
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23508143 - 08/04/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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FreeFall said: About 8 years ago he followed the PF Tek and grew Golden Teacher for his first time. Apparently he lucked out and found that even small amounts (1g dry) would produce slight visuals and excellent meditation. Just 2.5g dry gave him a life altering experience that still sticks with him to this day.
This is normal. These are the effects you should get off that amount of mushrooms. Even just 1 gram of decent shrooms will take you on a trip and give different visuals so I guess get from a different supplier.
No amount of shrooms have ever made me feel drunk or even in the same universe of "drunk"...more like the opposite of drunk..
I mean I hear some people say shrooms has a "drunk" feel or can sometimes and I honestly have no goddamn clue what they are talking about or where people get this from. I too had 3.5 one time of some very very weak shrooms that did almost nothing but even that did not feel like a drunkness at all.
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How is "he" drying them?
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23508493 - 08/04/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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"He" got lucky with MS genetics the first time and lost the lotto somehow later on possibly. Apparently it happened at least once. 
But try making tea from fresh fruits rather than drying as suggested.
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Yep that's multispore for ya. Get a good isolate going if you want dependable potency.
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Jeff Vader said: How is "he" drying them?
In a food dehydrator with no heat so basically a fan blowing across them.
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: d0urd3n]
#23509083 - 08/04/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said:
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FreeFall said: The supplier is a Shroomery sponsor but a new one sounds like a good idea.
Nope, no medication!
Assuming he has to order online is a syringe the best option?
Stabilized genetics is not possible in an MS syringe, correct?
Correct.
Sounds like you just had bad luck twice in a row. Grow out another batch and see what happens.
Wouldn't be a bad idea to get into bulk and agar so you can select for more potent fruits though, if this is going to be a regular thing.
Maybe try making tea and upping the dose, if you know that batch is pretty weak. Tea will hit harder and faster.
Thanks for the tip, tea time.
It's not a very regular thing but it is very important so whatever it takes...
This was actually the 4th attempt IIRC!
I am curious, each mushroom can have varying potency even from the same cake because many spores were used to inoculate? So then determining potency comes down to sampling one mushroom at a time?
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PrimalSoup said: "He" got lucky with MS genetics the first time and lost the lotto somehow later on possibly. Apparently it happened at least once. 
But try making tea from fresh fruits rather than drying as suggested.
Thanks for the tip and the tek's!
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23509180 - 08/04/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know what's going on but I too am having the same experiences. Mushrooms I had years ago would only need 1.5-2.5 and have your world views blown away.
Today I've been eating similar looking shrooms and even 3 grams is weak at best in comparison.
I suspected people taking shorts on drying were to blame but if I'm not the only one experiencing his something may be going on here
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impaired420 said: Yep that's multispore for ya. Get a good isolate going if you want dependable potency.
I believe this is 4 failed attempts, is that unusual?
If MS was a 50/50 bet then it would be worth it to avoid the investment in isolating and maintaining a strain (the mushrooms get consumed very slowly) but it's 1 out of 5 at this point!
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Re: Can't trip again?! [Re: FreeFall]
#23509273 - 08/04/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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FreeFall said:
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impaired420 said: Yep that's multispore for ya. Get a good isolate going if you want dependable potency.
I believe this is 4 failed attempts, is that unusual?
If MS was a 50/50 bet then it would be worth it to avoid the investment in isolating and maintaining a strain (the mushrooms get consumed very slowly) but it's 1 out of 5 at this point!
That's some very bad luck.. Almost too bad.
Are you sure this guy isn't on any medications like SSRIs or benzodiazipines?? They'll reduce effectiveness of psychedelics.
Other than that my suggestion would be buy2-3 syringes, knock up a few jars of each, label them, then test them without tolerance or medication.
Once you figure which of the MS spores germinated some potent genetics, clone those specific fruits and get them on agar, get a clean culture then go from there, no more guess work after that point.
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FreeFall
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impaired420 said:
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FreeFall said:
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impaired420 said: Yep that's multispore for ya. Get a good isolate going if you want dependable potency.
I believe this is 4 failed attempts, is that unusual?
If MS was a 50/50 bet then it would be worth it to avoid the investment in isolating and maintaining a strain (the mushrooms get consumed very slowly) but it's 1 out of 5 at this point!
That's some very bad luck.. Almost too bad.
Are you sure this guy isn't on any medications like SSRIs or benzodiazipines?? They'll reduce effectiveness of psychedelics.
Other than that my suggestion would be buy2-3 syringes, knock up a few jars of each, label them, then test them without tolerance or medication.
Once you figure which of the MS spores germinated some potent genetics, clone those specific fruits and get them on agar, get a clean culture then go from there, no more guess work after that point.
Absolutely no medication, even a Tylenol is rare.
Alright then cloning it is... thanks!
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