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No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW!
    #23507493 - 08/03/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

After many contaminations.  I was encouraged to do agar to narrow down my vector of contam problems.  It came down to my substrate (Coir/ Verm), dont know if I was under cooking or over cooking my substrate, but nontheless I kept getting molds.

You do know that mushrooms grow in the wild on unpasteurized cow manure, right? So after many experimental trials and tribulations, Ive learned to use store cow poo (no pasteurization whatsoever) .Dozens and Dozens of tubs later, not one contam yet.  No molds, cobweb or anything even after being left in the tubs for weeks. It seems that manure really has a "healthy" content of bacteria which will keep molds and other contaminates at bay.

Will try and put together a tek w/ pics, and it definitely works!



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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23507829 - 08/03/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

.... No.

If coir was fucking up your grow, you were getting bad coir.  Coir doesn't just fuck up perfectly good spawn unless there's shit in it that shouldn't be, like stray seeds and grains.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23507841 - 08/03/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And shit's pasteurized in the gut, basically. When cows shit spores, they've germinated and are ready to take that shit over. It's a different ballgame in the wild, friend.

also after your time here and your posts, dozens and dozens of tubs sounds like a stretch :wink:
however you probably got shit with firefang, or some other excellent, beneficial bacteria. Those can very much help your grow. But you should really try to do things right, and so you can see your results explode.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: dankington]
    #23508663 - 08/04/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All I know is that this has worked out  amillion times better for me and it can help out other members that are dealing with contam problems as well

You need to try it.  As long as the spawn is clean, your home free, and no more worrying about pasteurization at all. 

Makes the whole process a whole lot easier, with a lot less headaches


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23508868 - 08/04/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you done this a million times? Sounds more more lucky than anything. Dirty spawn is the usual vector with coir and verm, unless foreign materials were present in the coir brick like grains.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23508980 - 08/04/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well this is a pretty obvious one, candela used bad spawn with coir and verm, now he's got a bit more experience and can make healthier spawn.
still; Dont blame the coir.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23509412 - 08/04/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Although I am confident where my vector of contaminations came from, I am not asking that question at all here.

I really do not care at this moment how the substrate went bad.  All I know is that I do not  need to worry any more about my substrate going bad, as long as the spawn is clean.

Pasteurizating is a waste of time and Coir, Gypsum and all that extra shit is a waste of money!

Re-Read the last sentence, on the 2nd Paragraph ^^^ on My Original Post, up there ^^^^


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23509421 - 08/04/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pic's.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23509423 - 08/04/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Although I am confident where my vector of contaminations came from, I am not asking that question at all here.

I really do not care at this moment how the substrate went bad.  All I is that I do not  need to worry any more about my substrate going bad, as long as the spawn is clean.

Pasteurizating is a waste of time and Coir, Gypsum and all that extra shit is a waste of money!





Oh okay, I'm so glad a genius like you came along and brought us all out of the darkness into the light.  How could we have been so blind all this time, to not realize that pasteurization, and cvg were both a total waste of time and money?  Thank you, great one.

:bow:  :bow2:

All hail he who careth not where the former vector came from, for his sight is absolute.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23509453 - 08/04/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this is revolutionary, agriculture will never be the same again, humanity have misunderstood microbes for hundreds of years.
thanks candela! :hatsoff:


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23509462 - 08/04/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly I envy him for existing in such a tiny world where he's already at the top.  Must be nice.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23509474 - 08/04/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol! Unpasteurized shit.. Sounds like a paradise for bugs and other more aggressive fungi.. like coprinoids.. :notsureif:


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23509481 - 08/04/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Pic's.




If time allows, I Will try and post the whole process/ tek with pics by the weekend.

Theres really nothing special about the tek to be honest, but I was just willing to try something different, contrary to popular beliefs on these forums.  I did do alot of reading on older cultivating books.

I Was kinda hesistant to post this, because I knew a lot of you Experienced veterans on here are going to criticize it, before even trying it.

Try it first, try it, try it.  did I already say try it first.  Then come back and critisize it or post your results.

I am not claiming I invented or discovered anything, but I dont understand why people dont promote an easier method

Anyways...let the smart ass remarks begin !!!!!


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23509487 - 08/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok. I've tried it and I grew inky caps and had a huge mite/fly infestation I'm still recovering from lol. Maybe it's because yours is store bought, but pasture poo has to be pasteurized.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23509491 - 08/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You think you are the first person to try that?

:hahthatsrich:


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23509504 - 08/04/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've had jars of manure that I forgot to pasteurize, I know what happens :lol:


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: candela]
    #23509509 - 08/04/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I am not claiming I invented or discovered anything, but I dont understand why people dont promote an easier method

Anyways...let the smart ass remarks begin !!!!!




you kinda do if you say pasteurizing isn't needed. we dont pasteurize our manure for fun, its a precise method used for preservation of foods as well.
louis pasteur? milk? rings a bell? :lol:

lol same thread, sorry for the double post :facepalm:


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: spacechildo]
    #23509525 - 08/04/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When I use coir in my crested geckos terrarium, I don't pasteurize it, and it doesn't mold. How does that work? Does my gecko scare the molds away?
To say coir is a waste of money is just untrue. It is frikken contam resistant.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
    #23509539 - 08/04/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

coir doesnt need pasteurization, manure does.
that's why we know OP had bad spawn when he molded out while using coir, because as you found out coir doesnt mold on its own, or even with geckos pissing on it!


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
    #23509540 - 08/04/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

See?  Even Tux the penguin knows.


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Re: No More Contaminated Substrate. FTW! [Re: Inocuole]
    #23509552 - 08/04/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

and here i was thinking it was common knowledge... guess im the dummy here!


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