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LSD and Shrooms analogies
    #23507486 - 08/03/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I feel each molecule (at least of the indole family) has a certain message or several messages that they try to relay to us and yes they are non sentient chemicals but I believe they can communicate with us from my experiences.

So first off; does anyone believe this or find this to be accurate in their own experience?

LSD tells you "that you are the universe" and Mushrooms tell you "but you will never understand it" or "(all of it)"....



Does anyone agree with this or find this relatable? I feel as if these 'messages' are really there and in the energy of the molecule and universal but one must analyze closely. Or maybe this is just me and I'm full of shit but personally I see patterns in my experiences and in the experiences of others.


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23508247 - 08/04/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I try to see it from a perspective - where it comes from.

LSD - ergot - bacteria, fungi type of symbiosis for it (or if we check on HBWR, Morning Glory - it is still inside of the seed, yet in quite different form than LSD itself). So what happens in process of synthesis is mystics for me. What happens to energetical level of checmicals?

Mushrooms on the other hand have a lot of experience as whole organism that starts from spores, mycelium, it has underground and many ways it has experienced itself, so you get it as well. OTOH it is not said mushroom choses to share it, might as well be that you trip because of related energy. Yet if you consume enough mushrooms for them to be self-aware in your organism, they might say NO and you get bad trips, no trips, feel like shit and so on. Due to fact that nobody really eats humans, yet they consume whole World.

DMT is very well noticable to be present in many organisms, so it is about unity in Life experience - WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE.
I smoke tobacco from pipe and often feel trace amounts of tryptamines in it, so I get similar feeling to DMT come up, if I do it ritually - for example I say to Tobacco spirit to kill me in honest spiritual bond, and it tries, I experience heavy mental trip with CEVs and there is this strange play of molecules.

Basically that is why I prefer complex drugs, like plants, not single molecule, which cannot play inside of me with it's family. It is alone, it finds receptor to be with (because of similarity in energetical vibrations) and does it's living.

Simply to say - drugs live their LIFE. You are just a side effect.


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23508329 - 08/04/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

everything is sentient, including chemicals and all is relationship. when we eat certain foods we get very important vitamins and minerals from them. we don't brag eg., 'I don't need orange juice (etc etc) to get vitamin c, I can do it myself' Not true, IF you do not eat foods which give you certain vitamins you can become ill. This is symbiotic relationship

Same then is so with the psychedelic foods. yet many will brag they dont need them.
And if you are brave enough to look what is being done to the natural world by the people in charge and their blind supporters who have lost total connection with nature and others, and themselves, you will see just how utterly serious is the disease you can get from not eating psychedelics in a way to inspire connection with nature and others and yourself!!

IF my life hadn't radically been turned right around by early LSD experience when 15, and I say had found out about and eat shrooms first, I may also have been persuaded that the latter are superior because they are organic and have an 'older history', but I cannot take sure a theory seriously, because what LSD did for me was help me to totally see through and resolve what school and culture were doing to me which was making me dead to nature, and believing nature is insentient, to a lifelong exploration inspired by seeing and feeling and understanding that nature is mindblowingly alive!

Don't try and pin-down what such and such a psychedelic can do. For one it is not simply A psychedelic doing something to you. It is far more complex. it is a relationship which includes the whole set and setting, and every trip is different also, and your changing all the time


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23508418 - 08/04/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I believe the revelations/knowledge/messages we receive from trips are already within all of us.

A psychedelic, as a tool, helps clear up the haze and allows us to easier tune in and better sense what is already always present.


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23508500 - 08/04/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mushrooms is not the experience you claim as it is a masculine deity (I believe, may be wrong)...

Shri Mahamaya - The Maya that cannot be surpassed


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: yeah]
    #23508671 - 08/04/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What I like about LSD is that it theoretically does not exist at some point where it becomes dead and alive at the same time to tell you story of whole Universe experiencing itself in such a manner that drug starts to trip by itself losing all awareness and basically WEIRD stuff comes out. That story once was told to me by Ergot fungi, explaining how comes grain becomes "worse for humans", yet loves to be infected often due to similar experience in this deal they made, you eat EARTH, I eat you, holy shit dude, this is our experience and I kill you, dear grain, but you don't say anything much, because it is slow death, by having a trippitytrip for your Life force within. Grain never answered, because it was Dead Inside, due to consumption method used by humanity (mass production and no respect at all. At least say thanks to what you eat. Or much rather kill yourselves.) [Sorry for the abrupt end of story, that is moral in world where it goes like EYE for an EYE].


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23508685 - 08/04/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry, grain said something which I could not understand, because it has become my hands already. E=mc2, which means, the more you eat of something, the more of it you are. So it maybe was not dead inside but simply chilled out in wind and sun becoming lost to OUTSIDE world in a sense it would turn ugly for human eye due to infection, yet it lived bigtime inside having that mad ergot party where even shrooms hanged out due to shroomerites mixing mushies with acid after eating their cereal.


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: yeah]
    #23510085 - 08/04/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

yeah said:
Mushrooms is not the experience you claim as it is a masculine deity (I believe, may be wrong)...




What are you talking about?


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23510186 - 08/04/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea I think they can communicate with us. I think on some level everything is connected to each other and psyches amplify our awareness of it. Whether it shows us we need to change or simply gives our body's the physical+mental relief from this world.

Personally, I think because LSD was man made it is easier for us to control. Probably complete nonsense but it might help explain the differences between the two. I've always had a better time on LSD than shrooms, but shrooms have shown me a lot more.


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Re: LSD and Shrooms analogies [Re: LRG]
    #23510541 - 08/04/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea but look at the impact LSD has had on the world...

It's more dramatic and explicit than what other psychedelics have done to the world. In fact when people think of 'psychedelic' they typically think of LSD.

I think the dramatic effects LSD has had on society proves that it's anything but in our control.

I could see how someone would find LSD easier to handle but shrooms are lighthearted tolerant creatures and the experience can be tranquil like no other and full of joy. It can be a very child like substance. It can astonish you with it's endless humor and stories of galactic destiny.


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