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Why can't you fruit directly using rye only?
    #23505249 - 08/03/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just curious, because everywhere on the forum says you need to either case the spawn or do spawn to bulk substrate to get it to fruit. Why is that?


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: AK1000] * 1
    #23505276 - 08/03/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why can't you grow roses from chocolate pudding? I dont know. Nature just doesn't work that way.

The reason we case is to provide cubes with an ideal fruiting environment.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23505309 - 08/03/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Grain doesn't hold much water, the nutrients are there to produce fruits but the lack of water will limit the potential.

Mix in something inert like vermiculite and all of a sudden your substrate can hold enough water to put out some decent fruits.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23505314 - 08/03/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Moisture plays a big factor. Surface humidity as well. If you ask the question what does doing X provide? Then you can reverse engineer the answer (at least in this instance). With cakes we add the moisture in ahead of time with hydrated verm (dunking at birthing). Dunks will give the cake the moisture (and evaporation) it needs to fruit. With grain we just have colonized grain and not nearly enough moisture to fruit unless we spawn it to a hydrated bulk sub.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: omgwtfstfu]
    #23505334 - 08/03/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very awesome. Thanks for the answers omgwtfstfu and weetsie!


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: AK1000] * 1
    #23505345 - 08/03/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ive read somewhere its because shrooms need a non-nutrious substance to fruit off of.

And the other reason is shrooms are about 90% water, and the verm or straw or coir holds that water that the shrooms draw from. Grain doesnt hold enough water :shrug:


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23505351 - 08/03/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say the non-nutritious bit is a little up in the air, while the water retention is the main thing across the board.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: omgwtfstfu]
    #23505366 - 08/03/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can fruit invitro on rye. My first ever grow was invitro on rye of AA+. The yield was pretty miserable though.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23505382 - 08/03/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've read that some species like being spawned in impoverished locations but never heard of anything like that with cubensis. Straw is really nutritious, if it wasn't people wouldn't be getting 150%+ B.E when spawning to it at 2%.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: Psychedelic Pupil]
    #23505584 - 08/03/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You can fruit invitro on rye. My first ever grow was invitro on rye of AA+. The yield was pretty miserable though.



Yea i think you aint gonna get good yeilds.


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: AK1000]
    #23505610 - 08/03/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can fruit straight off of rye. You just need to case it.
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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: AK1000]
    #23505617 - 08/03/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #23505621 - 08/03/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh. Ha ha


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: azur]
    #23505681 - 08/03/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: azur]
    #23505757 - 08/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You can fruit straight off of rye. You just need to case it.
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You can fruit off straight rye!*

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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23505773 - 08/03/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ugh you know what's even worse than back when shit required 12 batteries and not coming with batteries?  The new futuristic version of that, where they sell devices without their fucking chargers.  Some fuckin ridiculous anti-consumer bullshit..

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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23505789 - 08/03/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know, its bullcrap. And the font is so fucking tiny. Finally got home and realise it needs batteries and youre like "Fuck!".

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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: oontribe] * 1
    #23510767 - 08/04/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984/page/1




"PODS TEK – Invitro tek growing with BRF or Grass Seed: a simple, self-contained, single-step method"

How cool!!! There's so much gold on this forum and I totally missed this one.  Thanks oontribe!


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Re: Why can't you fruit directly using rye only? [Re: AK1000]
    #23511298 - 08/04/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

these were just cased oats been getting about 5-7 grams per flush very tiny shrooms


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