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amidogen
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Getting Grow Depression
#23505087 - 08/03/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505154 - 08/03/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well let me ask you one thing. Do you keep the jar lids tight or with tin foil on top?
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I can't read all that. Chances are, if you have to type this much to explain your issue, then your issue is in fact overthinking the process.
Growing is simple and the PF tek is specifically designed to allow tons of headroom for failure. I can't imagine anyone following the directions and not getting something to fruit, so it stands to reason that you likely deviated from the instructions somewhere.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273
Post specific questions if you want help, I'd like to address your concerns but I can't read through your life story to figure out what those are.
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I don't have time to read all that right now but you can get a PC used for really cheap at thrift stores or garage sales. Also all you need is one drop from a syringe for agar. Bag of oats costs 15-20 bucks. I think you're over estimating your costs a lot for bulk. 6 bucks for a new tote. 5 bucks for polyfill. You can find half pint wide mouths for agar and quart jars at garage sale or thrift shop as well. Didn't see your reasons for the pf Tek failing. But I'm just saying bulk really isn't that big of an expense up front unless you want it to be. I'll read the rest in a few minutes.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23505238 - 08/03/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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But yeah I wouldn't reccomend bulk of you can't get results from pf Tek. Agee with Ino you're over thinking this.
Edit: we can't help much without pics either.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23505248 - 08/03/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eno, Ino, same thing. 
Haven't seen eno though lately, hope he's alright.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505254 - 08/03/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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www.mushroomvideos.com watch video 1-4 and tell us what you do differently!
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505262 - 08/03/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I can't read all that. Chances are, if you have to type this much to explain your issue, then your issue is in fact overthinking the process.
Growing is simple and the PF tek is specifically designed to allow tons of headroom for failure. I can't imagine anyone following the directions and not getting something to fruit, so it stands to reason that you likely deviated from the instructions somewhere.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273
Post specific questions if you want help, I'd like to address your concerns but I can't read through your life story to figure out what those are.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505278 - 08/03/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Eno, Ino, same thing. 
Haven't seen eno though lately, hope he's alright.
Haha I just realized I did that and changed it. Me too. I heard he's doing well. He'll be back.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23505335 - 08/03/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505402 - 08/03/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only way to be 100% sure your syringes are good is to put them on agar. I'd skip all this nonsense and A) germinate on agar B) clean transfer C) noc up grain jars D) spawn to bulk. You are killing yourself over cakes. Bulk is too easy and much more rewarding. Much less maintenance as well. I did read enough of that novel you posted to tell that's a concern you have. Stop stressing, once you get it down you will have that skill forever.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505446 - 08/03/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't see you mention using a SAB or flaming your syringes.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505567 - 08/03/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Take that tape off ASAP.
The dry Verm layer will prevent mold etc.
Your jars literally cannot expel gasses. That's why there is supposed to be uncovered holes.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505586 - 08/03/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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probably dirty syringe, MP tape works and there's no mycel to suffocate anyway  some jars look good but that 1 is really fucked. have you watched the videos I linked yet? If your doing it exactly like the guy in the video, its your syringe 99% likely.
spores can take 3 weeks to germinate. patience!
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505634 - 08/03/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MP tape is just extra precaution, if you leave your jars alone they dont need it but having tape doesnt hurt either.
your sgfc is waaaay to wet. dont mist as much as you are, let things have a chance to dry as well.
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Take a deep breath and relax.
If I were you I would start with the brf cakes and force a successful run.
I noticed that your mixing procedure is probably leaving your brf/verm mix too wet.
When mixing your brf and verm what I recommend is that you dry mix all your verm and half of your brf and then very slowly add water until you bring it up to field capacity and then very slowly sprinkle in the remaining brf mixing well the entire time.
When your mix is done you should be able to grab a handful of it and squeeze it and have no water drop out. Remember that the myc can always soak up more water later after it has colonized the substrate, and it cannot colonize the substrate if it's too wet, so it is always better to get your mix too dry as opposed to having it too wet.
Next thing I noticed was no mention of Lysol or oust or a HEPA. Lysol and oust are my two best friends when it comes to this hobby. I always spray liberally(no air moving in the house), grab my shower and clean clothes and if I'm working long sessions I'll take a break every half hour or forty five min or so and spray again. Also a good tip is to make sure you never exhale onto your work.
I also would not take any advice from someone who didn't take the time to read my post. I mean seriously what makes someone think they have your answers when the don't even know the questions. Please.
OK. So I would definitely go ahead and get the pressure canner/cooker. Use it to process your brf and to sterilize your plain dry verm. If you're feeling like switching to grain go ahead, but I would suggest that you get your cakes down first, everything you learn in this process will transfer to the bulk process.
Also spore selection. I would recommend that growing cakes you go with any south American strain, any one of the Mexican strains or tc or something. The strains you have are not known for prolific production from ms inoculation. I'm prohibited from recommending a specific vendor, so make sure your getting the right spores from a sponsor.
If you run into any troubles post back here and someone should be along to help you out.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505646 - 08/03/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just want to chime in that I've had at least 4 or 5 failed grows before I got a really good flush in a dub tub. The trick is to never give up, and don't be discouraged by mistakes, just keep trying things until something works!
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505683 - 08/03/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hope this info below can help you OP. If you can, spring for a pressure cooker, it's like going fishing with a ball of string with no bait vs a new rod and reel.
My best guess is water getting into your dry verm barrier during steam sterilization.
1. Fill jar with 50/50 brf up to the ring.
2. Smooth out the inner rim and remove nutrition before adding the verm layer. I use the 3 section paper towels and rip them in half, set them on a dry surface, and use one per jar. Don't cross contam, you could be smearing BRF from jar 1 to jar 2.
3. PC at 15 psi for 45 minutes (when the rocker starts, so should your timer).
4. Let them sit overnight to cool. Never remove the rocker until you're ready to load your still air box.
5. Lay a towel down on a table. Spray it with soapy water. Clean out your SAB with 71% ISO, using paper towels not a rag, do it again with soapy water, spray all 5 sides with soapy water. Placing the two open holes against the towel.
6. Unload your PC and wipe the jars with 70% iso. Let sit 20 minutes or so.
6a. Wear gloves. Soak them in iso. (A face mask helps especially if you have facial hair. A shower doesn't hurt. Scrub your arms like you're going into surgery.)
7. Flame your needle outside your SAB, not near the arm holes. Do not wipe with alcohol; fire red hot will kill anything. Eject half a cc to cool the needle. Inject 1/4cc into each hole. Make sure your needle gets past the dry verm barrier.
8. Make sure you work mechanically with slow calculated movements.
9. Flame between jars, not each hole.
10. Use the right jars.
11. Try not to mess with them for two weeks. Trich and bacteria will show in 3 to 4 days, get those out of the house.
12. Make sure you don't leave your SAB to go grab something quick. If you have to leave your area, change your gloves when you come back.
13. Don't store contam jars near other projects.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Adden]
#23505706 - 08/03/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Took a look at your pics.. it appears so.. or your substrate was too wet and bacteria got in there. When the BRF/verm inside the jar looks like it's "cracked", and kind of comes loose, you've got a bacteria problem on your hands.
When you squeeze your verm/BRF you should get like one or two drops. Mix the water and verm first, then add a dusting of BRF and mix. Repeat this to prevent clumping.
..or just say fuck it, buy some Tupperware containers and put your spores on agar, clean it, put it on oats or rye and spawn to bulk.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Adden]
#23505775 - 08/03/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505795 - 08/03/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd let it ride and just let them do their thing at this point. Spores don't taste as bad as most make it out to be. A lot of people harvest earlier because they're prettier product.
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Just because I didn't take time to read the whole first post doesn't negate that I offered some good links and drew reasonable conclusions about the primary causes for concern. Honestly, it hardly matter what the OP's post says anymore in most threads, it almost always comes down to me posting the same handful of links over and over, because people usually need to all know the same shit, and they're damn good links. If the question can't be answered with a link I'll make a write up and then link them that.
Also did you just recommend Lysol?

I haven't owned a bottle of lysol in years. Not necessary at all. Got more contams when I DID use it, probably because it distracted from what the actual problems were.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Adden]
#23505833 - 08/03/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505845 - 08/03/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea the reason I asked is that without GE (gas exchange) the jars can stall out. Make sure the lids are on slightly loose if there are no other holes in the jars
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505856 - 08/03/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Working in a cloud of lysol is never advisable. GC's techniques are dated.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505860 - 08/03/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't trying to be rude, I just wanted some bullet points is all. The TNF recommended teks list is quality stuff though, no matter what the issue is, pretty sure you can find a solution there or in the basics thread. Most people here will line up to work with someone who actually wants to take measures to ensure success though. Too many "I'm gonna do what I want and then cry about the results and deny that anything was my fault" threads all over. Information is easy to come by if you're receptive to it.
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The Mycologist said: Yea the reason I asked is that without FAE (fresh air exchange) the jars can stall out. Make sure the lids are on slightly loose if there are no other holes in the jars
Jars do not require FAE, they require GE, which is not the same. GE needs adequate filtration, or a means by which contaminants cannot enter, while preventing a negative or positive pressure from forming. So, jar filters, or very slightly loosened plastic lids.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505907 - 08/03/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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amidogen said: I was more worried from reading that letting spores fall serves as a contam vector and signals the end of the life cycle to my cake.
With PF tek it's no big deal. It's when you're dealing with bulk that spore bombs become a reality. With certain strains (a misnomer for 'varieties'), people have said they get shittier flushes after spores drop (talking about dozens if not hundreds of mushrooms here). Off isolates or clones I don't know but people throw it around.
The end of a life cycle for gilled mushrooms happens when it runs out of nutrients. It approaches a stage called scenescens. That's when the mycelium goes into rest mode. At this stage, the organism has pushed out every last tiny little fruit it can, and when the patch is heavily spore laden and there's no point in reproducing, it goes back to feeding mode. Our tubs get discarded after a second or third flush, long before this happens.
We make Nature but better in cultivation. I think that's where the line gets blurred and people get confused. If you already have contaminated substrate, then a heavy spore load could kill a potential half flush or whatever else you could've squeezed out of it. I wouldn't worry about it until you get there.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Adden]
#23505921 - 08/03/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505939 - 08/03/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah +1 on no Lysol.
I like your attitude. Five shroom rating incoming.    
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#23505941 - 08/03/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: Working in a cloud of lysol is never advisable. GC's techniques are dated.
Thanks for clearing that up. I honestly had doubts that lysol will kill airborne mold spores/bacteria effectively enough to make a difference. Besides, I'm working in an SAB from here on out. My understanding is that its virtue is trapping unwanted particles on the sides/floor rather than killing them.
We got a reader here folks!
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505966 - 08/03/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505967 - 08/03/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok kids. You spray the Lysol and then let it clean the air in your work area before you return. I don't recommend even staying in the room and breathing the Lysol if you can avoid it.
Yes, if you stand there and spray Lysol onto your work it will most certainly contaminate.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505989 - 08/03/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Munchauzen said: Working in a cloud of lysol is never advisable. GC's techniques are dated.
I see from your gallery I had better take your advice.(Sarcasm intended)
Don't buy into these guys that read other's post and then puke the information back up like they know something. Always trust your gut instincts and a tc tag if you can find one.
Ya that mushroom definitely beat the odds to be here. If I were going to eat it I would pasteurize it first.
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Munch has some beautiful grows, what are you even talking about?
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23506012 - 08/03/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Idk I just get tired of people throwing that dated shit around.
Lysol, oust both work great if used correctly.
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george castanza said: Ok kids. You spray the Lysol and then let it clean the air in your work area before you return. I don't recommend even staying in the room and breathing the Lysol if you can avoid it.
The mist that sinks down to the dirtiest 8 inches of a room isn't going to kick things up? Sounds unnecessary and plenty of people get along fine without wasting money.
That tard graemlin was uncalled for. I've seen you ban people for it. This is a place of learning. You should know that by now.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506040 - 08/03/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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george castanza said: Ya that mushroom definitely beat the odds to be here. If I were going to eat it I would pasteurize it first.
I plan to dry anything I harvest in a food dehydrator at 160 degrees. Why do you say to pasteurize, and how would you do that to a mushroom?
Wondering the same.
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I see from your gallery I had better take your advice.(Sarcasm intended)
This is the kind of shit comment that comes from not actively participating in this board except for once in a blue moon. If you think I don't know what I'm doing, you are thoroughly out of the loop. Perhaps you missed my dozen or so free cultivation tutorial videos. Perhaps you missed 2 years of the AMU grow along. Perhaps you missed my APE bottles. Perhaps you missed my Texas Orange Cap and Stropharia grows and giveaways. Perhaps you missed my Blenderless LI tek. Perhaps you missed my community tampensis grow along.
A lot of things come thru this board, so I don't take it personally. But to make the comment that I can't be trusted, simply because my gallery is only for sharing my wild finds, is just lazy. Look at my ratings, look at my main threads, look at my posts. I do absolutely nothing on this site except for post grows and post advice.
The lysol is pointless. Its a waste of money. I haven't used it in years and maybe get 1 contam out of 50 plates.
GC, just because you are an old hand and mod, doesn't mean we have to bow down to you. I will always call out bad advice regardless of who it comes from. Get with the times and update your techniques with what has been proven, or you are going to be having many more altercations like this in the future.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506133 - 08/03/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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george castanza said: Ya that mushroom definitely beat the odds to be here. If I were going to eat it I would pasteurize it first.
I plan to dry anything I harvest in a food dehydrator at 160 degrees. Why do you say to pasteurize, and how would you do that to a mushroom?
That is exactly how I would pasteurize my shrooms. Leave them in there for 8-12hours and remove directly to a food grade airtight container for storage.
The reason that I pasteurize all my mushrooms unless I eat them fresh is because the chance (no matter how small) that there may be an unwanted organisms living on my mushrooms is not a chance I'm willing to take. Pasteurising will kill off most any unwanted microbes on your end product.
If you have ever gotten a bag of shrooms that had everyone on the shitter all night then you know why it's important to not only pasteurize your product, but also use all normal safe food handling procedures as well. If you haven't had the joy of this experience then perhaps you have eaten a burrito from a food cart with questionable cleanliness? Either way the results are the same. Explosive diarrhea is no fun at any point, especially when tripping balls with no toilet paper.
No different than any other food product production. Every bit of care should be taken in the safe handling and consumption of your product. Especially if you're sharing any of your bounty with others.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
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lysol is a surface disinfectant, sure it would be nice to remove 99,9% of nasty shit in the air but 0,01% of 100 billion is still too much. a SAB relies on still air, nothing else. you use water to trap the contam spores to the walls and get to work. of course you could use lysol or oust the same way but soapy water keeps the walls wet and spores trapped and it's basically free.
We've seen over and over again by every regular poster here just how common this practice is. So both get the job done but lack of lysol is never the reason your grow fails.
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Ok so oust no oust, sab, whatever. The important thing is that you have a procedure that works in place.
I like to oust the whole room down because I'm a big heavy handed oafish sort and I fucking hate the sab because it's such a hassle for me to work with, of course I don't recommend against them, because too many people have great success with them, that is if you like using those old school dated teks that is. I also know that the sab is a tek even older than the use of Lysol . I believe the sab has been around for as long as the petri dish, so when you refer to "dated" teks does that mean you like the old ones or the new ones better? I keep reading people using the term dated like it's the old way of doing it when really it is the new. just because I haven't posted in a thread doesn't mean I haven't read it I usually only post when I have something to contribute. Agar work and still air boxes have been around since the '50s. if you have reverted to these teks and are getting them off then you are a really pro, and my hat's off to you. O well either way I'm sure it won't amount to much difference either way because kids these days can't be bothered to read more than two sentences to be able to formulate a prescription for the diagnosis. Back on topic and back to fact that if anyone was offended i personally apologize and we need to focus the discussion on helping op with whatever problems he may be having growing p.cubs because that is what this forum is for. It shouldn't be that hard. There are a lot of other forums to be butthurt in, please take all the butthurtedness there.
I had to delete several post from this thread already. Please take off topic posts to another forum.
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Pretty sure Tyndall was the inventor of the SAB in 1876 
Course we have tweaked it a bit since then
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23506591 - 08/03/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The oldness of a technique isn't really what's in question, moreso which techniques are considered to have the highest chances for success given modern knowledge of all techniques. That will leave us always using a mixture of all things new and old. Some older techniques have only just in the last 50 years or so become feasible again for a home grower, and it's taken longer than that for us to figure that out and make the best of them. That's why we're doing shit like putting bottle grows in monotubs and getting back into blender and blenderless LI, tiger dropping pasty plates, etc.
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Not sure it's fair to take a shot at us in the same post you ask for everybody to stop doing that kind of thing.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506652 - 08/03/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are two things that you don't specifically mention doing that you really need to remember to do. I assume you're doing these anyway, but just in case:
1. Flame sterilize the needle until it is red hot. Needle should glow bright red or even white, and when it does immediately put it into the hole. Don't wait for it to cool or anything like that. Also use only a small amount per hole.
2. Remove the tinfoil from the jars as soon as they're done cooking. Some people accidentally leave them on, or don't know that you need to take them off, so make sure you're doing this.
Aside from that, getting a pressure cooker will help. I would also advise using lysol on the surface that the jars are going to sit on while you allow them to colonize. Disinfect the shit out of that surface.
Then don't disturb them or pick them up etc until 10-14 days. And even then, when you do, be very gentle and careful and only pick them up for as long as is absolutely necessary. Also be sure to throw away contams the moment you find them, so you still need to check on them, just don't touch/move them.
Make sure that they have plenty of light. They need as much light as they do when fully colonized. Natural sunlight is best, so try to get something close to that in lightbulb form.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23506657 - 08/03/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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lysol... I bet if I piss in a mist bottle and misted that shit all over the inside of my sab it would work great.
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I bet that actually would work great. It would smell awful but... I have no doubt it would work.
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I personally use the lysol wipes rather than the sprayer. Seems more effective to me 
For example, I had a problem for about a year with all my bread products going moldly, all sorts of moldy in less than a week. I used the lysol wipes on the surface that my bread products sit on, and now my bread lasts literally months. I have to throw it out because it gets too old before mold even gets to it.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506716 - 08/03/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506750 - 08/03/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I always mist the SAB completely and get everything covered in beads of water before I put the jars in. It doesn't negate the point, you just have to wait another 10-15 minutes or whatever. This is why I prefer water over chemicals or whatever else, my SAB has water droplets coating the inner walls of it for hours after I originally prep it.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506752 - 08/03/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you using course vermiculite by chance? I couldn't stop getting contaminates after I started using vermiculite instead of spent coffee grounds, and I imagine it's because without a pressure cooker, the coarse vermiculite doesn't become completely sterile. You may wanna try grinding it up, or getting a finer blend. Got any photographs?
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: YaMoonSun]
#23506760 - 08/03/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Verm being coarse wouldn't stop it being sterilized, it would only make bigger cracks for stuff to float through, making it a less effective filter.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506773 - 08/03/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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amidogen said: I take the foil off when I'm ready to inoculate
You should take the foil off as soon as they're done cooking, before they cool, the moment they come out of the pot.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506783 - 08/03/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For BRF jars sure, for everything else, I'm pro leaving the foil on until inoculation. Can't beat a clean sterile spawn jar lid.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506786 - 08/03/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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removing the foil in the sab is perfectly fine. keeps shit from landing on your mp-tape that you inoc through.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506789 - 08/03/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Verm being coarse wouldn't stop it being sterilized, it would only make bigger cracks for stuff to float through, making it a less effective filter.
I had a 100% contamination rate over the coarse of 2-3 months and during that time the only new element was the vermiculite. I gave up on vermiculite until I got a pressure cooker, and never had a problem again.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506796 - 08/03/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you leave the foil on, you run the risk of ruining the dry verm layer because of condensation buildup on the foil dripping down into the holes in the jar. You also throw off the moisture content of the jar.
These might not be a big deal (except the first one), but they can lead to bad things.
Also, it can help to cook your verm beforehand in the oven at 400 or so.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506835 - 08/03/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope the post made it.. it sounds like it.. but just in case, on the far upper left under "amidogen" is Journal. You can start a thread there as a grow log and toggle it as "This journal is private, only the journal owner can see it". Then if you want your progress log moved as a completed project, you can message a moderator and ask it be moved for constructive criticism or to showcase your work.
It's a good way to practice posting links and uploading images and stuff as you move along. You also don't have grow notes laying around your house.
There's also this ongoing Q&A stuff from the A.M.U. group - Amateur Mycologists United - and those guys and gals are great at keeping up on it. So if you have a quick question that you don't think is thread-worthy, drop on by. They've helped me immensely.
Amateur Mycologists United: Ongoing Cultivation Q&A
(And I know you know, but tell no one. Not your buddy not your girl. If you drink be careful what you say when inebriated. When I grew back in 2001 to 2004, I always "had a guy". Be smart. Don't forget this is a felony, you'd likely get deferment programs but that sticks with you forever.)
Edit to add: Here's a link to "The Basics" series.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506836 - 08/03/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506840 - 08/03/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: If you leave the foil on, you run the risk of ruining the dry verm layer because of condensation buildup on the foil dripping down into the holes in the jar. You also throw off the moisture content of the jar.
These might not be a big deal (except the first one), but they can lead to bad things.
Also, it can help to cook your verm beforehand in the oven at 400 or so.
that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
the verm gets sterilized with the brf+verm mix in the pot.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Adden]
#23506855 - 08/03/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506863 - 08/03/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call posting here a risk. You're a drop in a sea of much bigger grows and less intelligent people with bad op sec, and no government has the resources or manpower to get us all, nor do they even really probably care to.
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yeah, im with leaving the foil on until inoc. especially if you are going to inoc within a day of PC. i mean, in my head it just seems like if you take the foil off, and put the verm filter to use, then when you go to inoc, you may push some of whatever it has been filtering in open air, into your brf with the needle. make sense?
not sure if that is an actual worry/problem that can actually happen, but seems like it could in my head.. and like space said, having the foil on for just a day tops shouldnt cause any problems whatsoever.
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spacechildo said: that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
The dry verm layer needs to be dry. If water drips into it, which can happen if you leave the foil on, then your dry verm layer is ruined.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506888 - 08/03/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I wouldn't call posting here a risk. You're a drop in a sea of much bigger grows and less intelligent people with bad op sec, and no government has the resources or manpower to get us all, nor do they even really probably care to. 
Once the cops showed up at my door a few years back. The wife was home alone and the sterilizer was in open view in the kitchen. She was pretty freaked out but kept her cool. Turned out they were investigating the multiple homicide at the meth lab two doors down.
Your monotub is nothing to them.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
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spacechildo said: that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
The dry verm layer needs to be dry. If water drips into it, which can happen if you leave the foil on, then your dry verm layer is ruined.
Unless that water was sterile... and then it would just dry up normally, and anything that landed on it between the time the foil was taken off, and the time it dried, would simply be unable to colonize anything because it dried up within a day. Which is way better than letting shit land on the verm barrier, then pushing a needle through it. At least this way the verm barrier is still clean when you do your inoculation.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23506911 - 08/03/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506925 - 08/03/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not about the water being sterile as much as it is about the foil and lid and dry verm being not completely sterile. If water gets into the dry verm barrier it is no longer a dry verm barrier.
You want to use micropore tape over the holes of your lid to keep anything out. From there, you can briefly remove the tape to inject.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506938 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
The dry verm layer needs to be dry. If water drips into it, which can happen if you leave the foil on, then your dry verm layer is ruined.
verm isnt ruined because it got wet, it just needs to dry up. it gets wet during steam sterilization, and then it dries and works just fine.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506939 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright dude... I can see you have the talent to refute even the most logical statements. I'll just let this be...
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506942 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All the stuff stuck to the oils on your fingers is going to get on the micropore tape. Likely better off skipping it altogether and using it for pp5 containers when doing agar.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506946 - 08/03/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: It's not about the water being sterile as much as it is about the foil and lid and dry verm being not completely sterile. If water gets into the dry verm barrier it is no longer a dry verm barrier.
You want to use micropore tape over the holes of your lid to keep anything out. From there, you can briefly remove the tape to inject.
the point is nothing lands on the moist verm barrier when there's MP tape and foil over the lid. once you remove foil and inoculate through the MP tape your verm barrier needs to dry. it takes mold spores at least 2-3 days to germinate. doesnt happen in an instance.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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Inocuole said: Alright dude... I can see you have the talent to refute even the most logical statements. I'll just let this be...
I can quote from RR saying the same thing I'm saying, if you'd like, for example: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18835637#18835637
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RogerRabbit said: For best results, use both micropore tape and foil as they're for separate reasons. The foil keeps water that drips off the lid of the pot from getting into the jars. The micropore tape helps to prevent contaminants entering the jars after sterilization and before inoculation. Always remove the foil as soon as the jars are removed from the sterilizer. RR
So you're not just disagreeing with me here. You're disagreeing with RR.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: YaMoonSun]
#23506968 - 08/03/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: Are you using course vermiculite by chance? I couldn't stop getting contaminates after I started using vermiculite instead of spent coffee grounds, and I imagine it's because without a pressure cooker, the coarse vermiculite doesn't become completely sterile. You may wanna try grinding it up, or getting a finer blend. Got any photographs?
coffee grounds for the filter barrier? What am I missing here? Verm gave you contams but spent coffee didn't?
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506969 - 08/03/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think it's all that critical. Just noc them up the next morning and don't wait a week after you sterilize them.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506972 - 08/03/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sterile is a strong word. Some stuff does survive in small amounts. The goal is not to sterilize (which would imply the killing of everything), but only to kill enough to give the mushrooms a headstart from the contaminants.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506991 - 08/03/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I understand that, but it's irrelevant to OP. All he wants at the moment is a successful PF Tek grow. He doesn't need to understand every single inner working of mycology. Thats all. He's just going to be unnecessarily, and understandably confused.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506993 - 08/03/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All the manmade materials that make up the jar will be sterile. The only things that have a shelf life are the organic shit. Verm will probably be sterile though.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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You would need an autoclave to sterilize the metal and the glass.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
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d0urd3n said: Yeah I understand that, but it's irrelevant to OP. All he wants at the moment is a successful PF Tek grow. He doesn't need to understand every single inner working of mycology. Thats all. He's just going to be unnecessarily, and understandably confused.

when OP removed the foil is not the reason he has jars that looks like complete shit.
and noone man no you dont, jar and everything inside gets sterilized in a pot, same goes with brf+verm mix, not like whole grains that gives a window, these are as sterile as you can need them to be, considering pf-tek can take months to finihs with old spores.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: dankington]
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coffee grounds for the filter barrier? What am I missing here? Verm gave you contams but spent coffee didn't?
I used both a dry layer of coffee as well as used coffee grounds for substrate mixed with brf. I got seven flushes and tossed it.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Inocuole said: Alright dude... I can see you have the talent to refute even the most logical statements. I'll just let this be...
I can quote from RR saying the same thing I'm saying, if you'd like, for example: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18835637#18835637
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RogerRabbit said: For best results, use both micropore tape and foil as they're for separate reasons. The foil keeps water that drips off the lid of the pot from getting into the jars. The micropore tape helps to prevent contaminants entering the jars after sterilization and before inoculation. Always remove the foil as soon as the jars are removed from the sterilizer. RR
So you're not just disagreeing with me here. You're disagreeing with RR.
Ok I think I see some confusion here, and maybe reviewing my technique will help clear it up. Once the 2 hours steam sterilizing is up, I leave the jars undisturbed with the lid of the pot still closed until I am ready to inoc. The pot lid stays on, the jars stay in the pot, and the foil stays on until the moment they go into the SAB.
That's not going to help. As soon as it's done, you take the jars out, remove the foil, and put on micropore tape Edit; Put on micropore tape BEFORE cooking). Then you wait for them to cool, then you temporarily remove the micropore tape and inoculate.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Those are all non-issues. The glass will be hot, use a pot holder or jar-tongs to grab it. Air is a poor thermal conductor and would take ridiculously extreme temps to crack a jar that way. MP tape won't melt. It shouldn't look like a material that you would even think might melt. If you have the plastic looking stuff that shit will indeed melt.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Use one of those kitchen stove glove thingies, or a towel. Pot holders, isn't that what they're called?
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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1) oven mitts and kitchen towels 2) they don't shatter you would have to heat them with a flame much hotter than 200 some degrees to get them to shatter 3) cloth tape doesn't melt
I did the pf-tek for 2 years and I personally stopped using the tape after a few grows. it didn't seem to make a difference in my experience.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
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Oops, made a slight mistake, you put the micropore tape on BEFORE you cook, not after. My bad.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Munchauzen]
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I just wanna say, fuck pf tek. That is all.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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Yeah, eventually OP should move on to agar and grain, but once step at a time
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Once you learn to get clean grain spawn, the sky is the limit, you can grow in anything, on anything, with no fruiting chamber, whatever.
     
I have a ton of food trash containers that I have backlogged with the intent of using for growing in before I throw them away. You end up with a lot of free time to do shit like that when you get past the hard part. I'd work on sourcing cheap agar powder if you haven't already, it's the key to consistency. telephone brand, comes in little 25g packets, look it up, find it near you, whatever you gotta do. Should be about 50 cents to a dollar per packet.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Agreed. I never would have agreed to it originally when I started getting serious about this hobby. I've read members, both experienced and not, post PF grows with what I would consider fantastic results for a first time grower. I had plans to keep going with this spawning BRF cakes to CVG for quite some time. After actually really reading around though, I've come to agree with the sentiment among more experienced growers that it's beyond worth it to move to bulk. It seems intimidating as hell, and certainly more involved and expensive, to a new grower, but as I compare what I have invested in time, worry, and remedial measures in trying to get the few cakes I have out of PF tek, the costs in time, equipment, and researching/practicing new technique don't seem so intimidating. I'm honestly getting simultaneously excited and relieved as I get more set in the idea of taking my steps into bulk. I've got high expectations and feel like I'll be successful with the community behind me. It will be an increase in yield and decrease in grow time and worry. I'm stoked. and also a little baked, please excuse the introspective rant.
watch my bulk videos in my signature. it helps to see somebody else doing it. its not very difficult once you get over the initial anxiety.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Munchauzen]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Once a month or so I colonize a bunch of agar plates, inoculate them, and as they start to approach being colonized, assuming they're clean (haven't been having issues, but don't fuckin jinx me..), I do one of three things. I either A. take a whole plate and use it to make blender LI, then inoc 7-10 jars with it, or B. cut wedges out of the plate and use those to inoculate a similar number of jars, or C. put it in the fridge and save it so that I can do more A and/or B when time allows throughout the month.
As a result I have jars that will colonize in 1-2 weeks, jars that will colonize in 2-3 weeks, and the ability to make more jars at any time. I'm working on getting the staggering just right but this setup is working out better than previous attempts at that. It helps with getting burned out on doing too much myco shit in one day, not having to deal with more than a few things at once is preferable.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Once you start agar you soon end up with more colonized plates than you can use. So you start knocking them into masters. Real quick you end up with a load of masters. So you expand em. All of a sudden you have 100 quarts of spawn you need to use, but the whole time you kept up with the agar and the masters. So now those are going in the fridge, you run out of jars and you are all out of room for monos. Your fridge is full of fruits cause your 3 dehydrators can only dry a half pound at a time and you have an industrial black garbage bag full under your bed.
Happens to everyone when they start agar. . .
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pasty's version was better. That's totally how it happens if you're not careful. Or I guess, inversely, maybe also when you are careful.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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I usually do some kind of work once every weekend. either grain jars or agar plates, or both. it does allow for some flexibility.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Munchauzen]
#23507428 - 08/03/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok looking at your jars, it looks like you either did not sterilize them enough, the jars were too hot when you injected them, or you shot too little spore juice in the jars with a hot needle. It is possible but unlikely that it's a gas exchange issue. What i would do is try again with the PF tek as a basic test of each syringe to make sure they are viable. You can replace the lid with tyvek for MUCH faster colonization time. When signs of life are there, let your PF jars continue to full colonization, then do a SFGC as you originally intended.
For each viable syringe, make up some bird seed jars with tyvek home-wrap on the top instead of the metal lids. Proper filling technique is a bit of dry verm on the bottom, lots of fully hydrated birdseed in the middle, you can use oats or whatever- just don't use popcorn, and about 1/4 inch or so of dry verm on top. Put some tyvek homewrap on the top, enough to cover the mouth of the jar, and screw the band on. Top with foil. PC for about 90 minutes starting when 15PSI is reached. Let them cool all the way to room temp (usually overnight) and knock 'em up in your SAB or on a clean oven rack with an air purifier nearby. Aim for the fresh air smell if possible.
Set and forget for a couple weeks and check for life. If life is there, let 'em finish off, then crumble and case or go bulk to straw in a monotub. Lots of good TEKs to choose from. Good luck on your grow
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Wow that was a blast from the past. Now let's try to provide real advice. Until you germinate and have a continuous culture on agar where you can inoculate with growing mycelium instead of half-bunk spores OP, you're going to keep getting shit results.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Mad Season]
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Aim for the fresh air smell! Fuck that brightened my day a little... that's sad...
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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I'm still laughing at "aim for the fresh air smell". Like, my ribs hurt, you don't understand..
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Not bad. Maybe ease the misting up a smidge, the pins are looking a bit wet. Only mist them if the water from the previous mist is gone. But overall your doing well, keep staying the course
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Picture isn't great but it could be mold. You will know in a day for sure.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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Kinda yes. Also the texture. Molds look like sand or granular. Bruising looks like blue mycelium.
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Mad Season]
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the cambo jar looks like mold to me, sorry. but like Pasty said, youll know for certain in a day..
keep up the good work. youre on the right track!
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Mad Season]
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
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