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dankington
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: YaMoonSun]
#23506968 - 08/03/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: Are you using course vermiculite by chance? I couldn't stop getting contaminates after I started using vermiculite instead of spent coffee grounds, and I imagine it's because without a pressure cooker, the coarse vermiculite doesn't become completely sterile. You may wanna try grinding it up, or getting a finer blend. Got any photographs?
coffee grounds for the filter barrier? What am I missing here? Verm gave you contams but spent coffee didn't?
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d0urd3n
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506969 - 08/03/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think it's all that critical. Just noc them up the next morning and don't wait a week after you sterilize them.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506972 - 08/03/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sterile is a strong word. Some stuff does survive in small amounts. The goal is not to sterilize (which would imply the killing of everything), but only to kill enough to give the mushrooms a headstart from the contaminants.
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d0urd3n
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506991 - 08/03/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I understand that, but it's irrelevant to OP. All he wants at the moment is a successful PF Tek grow. He doesn't need to understand every single inner working of mycology. Thats all. He's just going to be unnecessarily, and understandably confused.
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506993 - 08/03/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All the manmade materials that make up the jar will be sterile. The only things that have a shelf life are the organic shit. Verm will probably be sterile though.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23507009 - 08/03/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You would need an autoclave to sterilize the metal and the glass.
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23507023 - 08/03/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: Yeah I understand that, but it's irrelevant to OP. All he wants at the moment is a successful PF Tek grow. He doesn't need to understand every single inner working of mycology. Thats all. He's just going to be unnecessarily, and understandably confused.

when OP removed the foil is not the reason he has jars that looks like complete shit.
and noone man no you dont, jar and everything inside gets sterilized in a pot, same goes with brf+verm mix, not like whole grains that gives a window, these are as sterile as you can need them to be, considering pf-tek can take months to finihs with old spores.
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23507033 - 08/03/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: You would need an autoclave to sterilize the metal and the glass.
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YaMoonSun
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: dankington]
#23507047 - 08/03/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dankington said:
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YaMoonSun said: Are you using course vermiculite by chance? I couldn't stop getting contaminates after I started using vermiculite instead of spent coffee grounds, and I imagine it's because without a pressure cooker, the coarse vermiculite doesn't become completely sterile. You may wanna try grinding it up, or getting a finer blend. Got any photographs?
coffee grounds for the filter barrier? What am I missing here? Verm gave you contams but spent coffee didn't?
I used both a dry layer of coffee as well as used coffee grounds for substrate mixed with brf. I got seven flushes and tossed it.
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23507058 - 08/03/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:51 AM)
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23507072 - 08/03/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Alright dude... I can see you have the talent to refute even the most logical statements. I'll just let this be...
I can quote from RR saying the same thing I'm saying, if you'd like, for example: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18835637#18835637
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RogerRabbit said: For best results, use both micropore tape and foil as they're for separate reasons. The foil keeps water that drips off the lid of the pot from getting into the jars. The micropore tape helps to prevent contaminants entering the jars after sterilization and before inoculation. Always remove the foil as soon as the jars are removed from the sterilizer. RR
So you're not just disagreeing with me here. You're disagreeing with RR.
Ok I think I see some confusion here, and maybe reviewing my technique will help clear it up. Once the 2 hours steam sterilizing is up, I leave the jars undisturbed with the lid of the pot still closed until I am ready to inoc. The pot lid stays on, the jars stay in the pot, and the foil stays on until the moment they go into the SAB.
That's not going to help. As soon as it's done, you take the jars out, remove the foil, and put on micropore tape Edit; Put on micropore tape BEFORE cooking). Then you wait for them to cool, then you temporarily remove the micropore tape and inoculate.
Edited by nooneman (08/03/16 07:26 PM)
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23507085 - 08/03/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:51 AM)
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23507096 - 08/03/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those are all non-issues. The glass will be hot, use a pot holder or jar-tongs to grab it. Air is a poor thermal conductor and would take ridiculously extreme temps to crack a jar that way. MP tape won't melt. It shouldn't look like a material that you would even think might melt. If you have the plastic looking stuff that shit will indeed melt.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23507098 - 08/03/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Use one of those kitchen stove glove thingies, or a towel. Pot holders, isn't that what they're called?
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Munchauzen


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23507100 - 08/03/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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1) oven mitts and kitchen towels 2) they don't shatter you would have to heat them with a flame much hotter than 200 some degrees to get them to shatter 3) cloth tape doesn't melt
I did the pf-tek for 2 years and I personally stopped using the tape after a few grows. it didn't seem to make a difference in my experience.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23507101 - 08/03/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oops, made a slight mistake, you put the micropore tape on BEFORE you cook, not after. My bad.
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Munchauzen]
#23507103 - 08/03/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just wanna say, fuck pf tek. That is all.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23507111 - 08/03/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, eventually OP should move on to agar and grain, but once step at a time
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23507164 - 08/03/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- The biggest trip of my life was realizing all of the events and actions described in posts made by this account were never real and had never actually happened, but were instead the delusional ramblings of a severely mentally ill human being. I just had to move on for my own good. I love you all.
Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:51 AM)
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23507196 - 08/03/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once you learn to get clean grain spawn, the sky is the limit, you can grow in anything, on anything, with no fruiting chamber, whatever.
     
I have a ton of food trash containers that I have backlogged with the intent of using for growing in before I throw them away. You end up with a lot of free time to do shit like that when you get past the hard part. I'd work on sourcing cheap agar powder if you haven't already, it's the key to consistency. telephone brand, comes in little 25g packets, look it up, find it near you, whatever you gotta do. Should be about 50 cents to a dollar per packet.
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