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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506786 - 08/03/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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removing the foil in the sab is perfectly fine. keeps shit from landing on your mp-tape that you inoc through.
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YaMoonSun
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506789 - 08/03/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Verm being coarse wouldn't stop it being sterilized, it would only make bigger cracks for stuff to float through, making it a less effective filter.
I had a 100% contamination rate over the coarse of 2-3 months and during that time the only new element was the vermiculite. I gave up on vermiculite until I got a pressure cooker, and never had a problem again.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506796 - 08/03/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you leave the foil on, you run the risk of ruining the dry verm layer because of condensation buildup on the foil dripping down into the holes in the jar. You also throw off the moisture content of the jar.
These might not be a big deal (except the first one), but they can lead to bad things.
Also, it can help to cook your verm beforehand in the oven at 400 or so.
Edited by nooneman (08/03/16 06:17 PM)
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506835 - 08/03/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope the post made it.. it sounds like it.. but just in case, on the far upper left under "amidogen" is Journal. You can start a thread there as a grow log and toggle it as "This journal is private, only the journal owner can see it". Then if you want your progress log moved as a completed project, you can message a moderator and ask it be moved for constructive criticism or to showcase your work.
It's a good way to practice posting links and uploading images and stuff as you move along. You also don't have grow notes laying around your house.
There's also this ongoing Q&A stuff from the A.M.U. group - Amateur Mycologists United - and those guys and gals are great at keeping up on it. So if you have a quick question that you don't think is thread-worthy, drop on by. They've helped me immensely.
Amateur Mycologists United: Ongoing Cultivation Q&A
(And I know you know, but tell no one. Not your buddy not your girl. If you drink be careful what you say when inebriated. When I grew back in 2001 to 2004, I always "had a guy". Be smart. Don't forget this is a felony, you'd likely get deferment programs but that sticks with you forever.)
Edit to add: Here's a link to "The Basics" series.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
Edited by Adden (08/03/16 06:32 PM)
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506836 - 08/03/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:50 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506840 - 08/03/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: If you leave the foil on, you run the risk of ruining the dry verm layer because of condensation buildup on the foil dripping down into the holes in the jar. You also throw off the moisture content of the jar.
These might not be a big deal (except the first one), but they can lead to bad things.
Also, it can help to cook your verm beforehand in the oven at 400 or so.
that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
the verm gets sterilized with the brf+verm mix in the pot.
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Adden]
#23506855 - 08/03/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:50 AM)
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23506863 - 08/03/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call posting here a risk. You're a drop in a sea of much bigger grows and less intelligent people with bad op sec, and no government has the resources or manpower to get us all, nor do they even really probably care to.
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mupetmower
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yeah, im with leaving the foil on until inoc. especially if you are going to inoc within a day of PC. i mean, in my head it just seems like if you take the foil off, and put the verm filter to use, then when you go to inoc, you may push some of whatever it has been filtering in open air, into your brf with the needle. make sense?
not sure if that is an actual worry/problem that can actually happen, but seems like it could in my head.. and like space said, having the foil on for just a day tops shouldnt cause any problems whatsoever.
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nooneman


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spacechildo said: that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
The dry verm layer needs to be dry. If water drips into it, which can happen if you leave the foil on, then your dry verm layer is ruined.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506888 - 08/03/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I wouldn't call posting here a risk. You're a drop in a sea of much bigger grows and less intelligent people with bad op sec, and no government has the resources or manpower to get us all, nor do they even really probably care to. 
Once the cops showed up at my door a few years back. The wife was home alone and the sterilizer was in open view in the kitchen. She was pretty freaked out but kept her cool. Turned out they were investigating the multiple homicide at the meth lab two doors down.
Your monotub is nothing to them.
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506896 - 08/03/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said:
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spacechildo said: that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
The dry verm layer needs to be dry. If water drips into it, which can happen if you leave the foil on, then your dry verm layer is ruined.
Unless that water was sterile... and then it would just dry up normally, and anything that landed on it between the time the foil was taken off, and the time it dried, would simply be unable to colonize anything because it dried up within a day. Which is way better than letting shit land on the verm barrier, then pushing a needle through it. At least this way the verm barrier is still clean when you do your inoculation.
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23506911 - 08/03/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:50 AM)
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506925 - 08/03/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not about the water being sterile as much as it is about the foil and lid and dry verm being not completely sterile. If water gets into the dry verm barrier it is no longer a dry verm barrier.
You want to use micropore tape over the holes of your lid to keep anything out. From there, you can briefly remove the tape to inject.
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506938 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said:
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spacechildo said: that wont happen, the dry verm layer dries right up after inoculation. condensation is just water, you wont screw up the jars because you leave foil on overnight.
The dry verm layer needs to be dry. If water drips into it, which can happen if you leave the foil on, then your dry verm layer is ruined.
verm isnt ruined because it got wet, it just needs to dry up. it gets wet during steam sterilization, and then it dries and works just fine.
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506939 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright dude... I can see you have the talent to refute even the most logical statements. I'll just let this be...
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Adden

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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506942 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All the stuff stuck to the oils on your fingers is going to get on the micropore tape. Likely better off skipping it altogether and using it for pp5 containers when doing agar.
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
#23506946 - 08/03/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: It's not about the water being sterile as much as it is about the foil and lid and dry verm being not completely sterile. If water gets into the dry verm barrier it is no longer a dry verm barrier.
You want to use micropore tape over the holes of your lid to keep anything out. From there, you can briefly remove the tape to inject.
the point is nothing lands on the moist verm barrier when there's MP tape and foil over the lid. once you remove foil and inoculate through the MP tape your verm barrier needs to dry. it takes mold spores at least 2-3 days to germinate. doesnt happen in an instance.
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nooneman


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23506950 - 08/03/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Alright dude... I can see you have the talent to refute even the most logical statements. I'll just let this be...
I can quote from RR saying the same thing I'm saying, if you'd like, for example: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18835637#18835637
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RogerRabbit said: For best results, use both micropore tape and foil as they're for separate reasons. The foil keeps water that drips off the lid of the pot from getting into the jars. The micropore tape helps to prevent contaminants entering the jars after sterilization and before inoculation. Always remove the foil as soon as the jars are removed from the sterilizer. RR
So you're not just disagreeing with me here. You're disagreeing with RR.
Edited by nooneman (08/03/16 06:53 PM)
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amidogen
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-------------------- The biggest trip of my life was realizing all of the events and actions described in posts made by this account were never real and had never actually happened, but were instead the delusional ramblings of a severely mentally ill human being. I just had to move on for my own good. I love you all.
Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:51 AM)
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