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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: george castanza]
    #23506034 - 08/03/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
    #23506040 - 08/03/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya that mushroom definitely beat the odds to be here. If I were going to eat it I would pasteurize it first.




I plan to dry anything I harvest in a food dehydrator at 160 degrees. Why do you say to pasteurize, and how would you do that to a mushroom?




:popcorn:  Wondering the same.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: george castanza] * 2
    #23506060 - 08/03/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I see from your gallery I had better take your advice.(Sarcasm intended)




This is the kind of shit comment that comes from not actively participating in this board except for once in a blue moon. If you think I don't know what I'm doing, you are thoroughly out of the loop. Perhaps you missed my dozen or so free cultivation tutorial videos. Perhaps you missed 2 years of the AMU grow along. Perhaps you missed my APE bottles. Perhaps you missed my Texas Orange Cap and Stropharia grows and giveaways. Perhaps you missed my Blenderless LI tek. Perhaps you missed my community tampensis grow along.

A lot of things come thru this board, so I don't take it personally. But to make the comment that I can't be trusted, simply because my gallery is only for sharing my wild finds, is just lazy. Look at my ratings, look at my main threads, look at my posts. I do absolutely nothing on this site except for post grows and post advice.

The lysol is pointless. Its a waste of money. I haven't used it in years and maybe get 1 contam out of 50 plates.

GC, just because you are an old hand and mod, doesn't mean we have to bow down to you. I will always call out bad advice regardless of who it comes from. Get with the times and update your techniques with what has been proven, or you are going to be having many more altercations like this in the future.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
    #23506133 - 08/03/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ya that mushroom definitely beat the odds to be here. If I were going to eat it I would pasteurize it first.




I plan to dry anything I harvest in a food dehydrator at 160 degrees. Why do you say to pasteurize, and how would you do that to a mushroom?




That is exactly how I would pasteurize my shrooms. Leave them in there for 8-12hours and remove directly to a food grade airtight container for storage.

The reason that I pasteurize all my mushrooms unless I eat them fresh is because the chance (no matter how small) that there may be an unwanted organisms living on my mushrooms is not a chance I'm willing to take. Pasteurising will kill off most any unwanted microbes on your end product.

If you have ever gotten a bag of shrooms that had everyone on the shitter all night then you know why it's important to not only pasteurize your product, but also use all normal safe food handling procedures as well. If you haven't had the joy of this experience then perhaps you have eaten a burrito from a food cart with questionable cleanliness? Either way the results are the same. Explosive diarrhea is no fun at any point, especially when tripping balls with no toilet paper.


No different than any other food product production. Every bit of care should be taken in the safe handling and consumption of your product. Especially if you're sharing any of your bounty with others.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: george castanza] * 1
    #23506140 - 08/03/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23506202 - 08/03/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lysol is a surface disinfectant, sure it would be nice to remove 99,9% of nasty shit in the air but 0,01% of 100 billion is still too much.
a SAB relies on still air, nothing else. you use water to trap the contam spores to the walls and get to work.
of course you could use lysol or oust the same way but soapy water keeps the walls wet and spores trapped and it's basically free.

We've seen over and over again by every regular poster here just how common this practice is. So both get the job done but lack of lysol is never the reason your grow fails.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: spacechildo]
    #23506328 - 08/03/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so oust no oust, sab, whatever. The important thing is that you have a procedure that works in place.

I like to oust the whole room down because I'm a big heavy handed oafish sort and I fucking hate the sab because it's such a hassle for me to work with, of course I don't recommend against them, because too many people have great success with them, that is if you like using those old school dated teks that is. I also know that the sab is a tek even older than the use of Lysol . I believe the sab has been around for as long as the petri dish, so when you refer to "dated" teks does that mean you like the old ones or the new ones better? I keep reading people using the term dated like it's the old way of doing it when really it is the new. just because I haven't posted in a thread doesn't mean I haven't read it I usually only post when I have something to contribute. Agar work and still air boxes have been around since the '50s. if you have reverted to these teks and are getting them off then you are a really pro, and my hat's off to you. O well either way I'm sure it won't amount to much difference either way because kids these days can't be bothered to read more than two sentences to be able to formulate a prescription for the diagnosis. Back on topic and back to fact that if anyone was offended i personally apologize and we need to focus the discussion on helping op with whatever problems he may be having growing p.cubs because that is what this forum is for. It shouldn't be that hard. There are a lot of other forums to be butthurt in, please take all the butthurtedness there.

I had to delete several post from this thread already. Please take off topic posts to another forum.

Thanks.

Now let's all help OP grow some shrooms.

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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: george castanza]
    #23506548 - 08/03/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure Tyndall was the inventor of the SAB in 1876 :oldman:

Course we have tweaked it a bit since then :derfase:


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23506591 - 08/03/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The oldness of a technique isn't really what's in question, moreso which techniques are considered to have the highest chances for success given modern knowledge of all techniques.  That will leave us always using a mixture of all things new and old.  Some older techniques have only just in the last 50 years or so become feasible again for a home grower, and it's taken longer than that for us to figure that out and make the best of them.  That's why we're doing shit like putting bottle grows in monotubs and getting back into blender and blenderless LI, tiger dropping pasty plates, etc.


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O well either way I'm sure it won't amount to much difference either way because kids these days can't be bothered to read more than two sentences to be able to formulate a prescription for the diagnosis.




Not sure it's fair to take a shot at us in the same post you ask for everybody to stop doing that kind of thing.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
    #23506608 - 08/03/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
    #23506652 - 08/03/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There are two things that you don't specifically mention doing that you really need to remember to do. I assume you're doing these anyway, but just in case:

1. Flame sterilize the needle until it is red hot. Needle should glow bright red or even white, and when it does immediately put it into the hole. Don't wait for it to cool or anything like that. Also use only a small amount per hole.

2. Remove the tinfoil from the jars as soon as they're done cooking. Some people accidentally leave them on, or don't know that you need to take them off, so make sure you're doing this.

Aside from that, getting a pressure cooker will help. I would also advise using lysol on the surface that the jars are going to sit on while you allow them to colonize. Disinfect the shit out of that surface.

Then don't disturb them or pick them up etc until 10-14 days. And even then, when you do, be very gentle and careful and only pick them up for as long as is absolutely necessary. Also be sure to throw away contams the moment you find them, so you still need to check on them, just don't touch/move them.

Make sure that they have plenty of light. They need as much light as they do when fully colonized. Natural sunlight is best, so try to get something close to that in lightbulb form.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23506657 - 08/03/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lysol...
I bet if I piss in a mist bottle and misted that shit all over the inside of my sab it would work great.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
    #23506666 - 08/03/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I bet that actually would work great.  It would smell awful but...  I have no doubt it would work.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
    #23506683 - 08/03/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I personally use the lysol wipes rather than the sprayer. Seems more effective to me :thumbup:

For example, I had a problem for about a year with all my bread products going moldly, all sorts of moldy in less than a week. I used the lysol wipes on the surface that my bread products sit on, and now my bread lasts literally months. I have to throw it out because it gets too old before mold even gets to it.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
    #23506716 - 08/03/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
    #23506750 - 08/03/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I always mist the SAB completely and get everything covered in beads of water before I put the jars in.  It doesn't negate the point, you just have to wait another 10-15 minutes or whatever.  This is why I prefer water over chemicals or whatever else, my SAB has water droplets coating the inner walls of it for hours after I originally prep it.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
    #23506752 - 08/03/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are you using course vermiculite by chance? I couldn't stop getting contaminates after I started using vermiculite instead of spent coffee grounds, and I imagine it's because without a pressure cooker, the coarse vermiculite doesn't become completely sterile. You may wanna try grinding it up, or getting a finer blend. Got any photographs?


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23506760 - 08/03/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Verm being coarse wouldn't stop it being sterilized, it would only make bigger cracks for stuff to float through, making it a less effective filter.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
    #23506773 - 08/03/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I take the foil off when I'm ready to inoculate



You should take the foil off as soon as they're done cooking, before they cool, the moment they come out of the pot.


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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: nooneman]
    #23506783 - 08/03/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For BRF jars sure, for everything else, I'm pro leaving the foil on until inoculation.  Can't beat a clean sterile spawn jar lid.


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