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amidogen
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Getting Grow Depression
#23505087 - 08/03/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:46 AM)
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The Mycologist
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505154 - 08/03/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well let me ask you one thing. Do you keep the jar lids tight or with tin foil on top?
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Inocuole
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I can't read all that. Chances are, if you have to type this much to explain your issue, then your issue is in fact overthinking the process.
Growing is simple and the PF tek is specifically designed to allow tons of headroom for failure. I can't imagine anyone following the directions and not getting something to fruit, so it stands to reason that you likely deviated from the instructions somewhere.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273
Post specific questions if you want help, I'd like to address your concerns but I can't read through your life story to figure out what those are.
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d0urd3n
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I don't have time to read all that right now but you can get a PC used for really cheap at thrift stores or garage sales. Also all you need is one drop from a syringe for agar. Bag of oats costs 15-20 bucks. I think you're over estimating your costs a lot for bulk. 6 bucks for a new tote. 5 bucks for polyfill. You can find half pint wide mouths for agar and quart jars at garage sale or thrift shop as well. Didn't see your reasons for the pf Tek failing. But I'm just saying bulk really isn't that big of an expense up front unless you want it to be. I'll read the rest in a few minutes.
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d0urd3n
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23505238 - 08/03/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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But yeah I wouldn't reccomend bulk of you can't get results from pf Tek. Agee with Ino you're over thinking this.
Edit: we can't help much without pics either.
Edited by d0urd3n (08/03/16 11:38 AM)
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Inocuole
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23505248 - 08/03/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eno, Ino, same thing. 
Haven't seen eno though lately, hope he's alright.
Edited by Inocuole (08/03/16 11:39 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505254 - 08/03/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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www.mushroomvideos.com watch video 1-4 and tell us what you do differently!
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PsilocyBen17
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505262 - 08/03/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said: I can't read all that. Chances are, if you have to type this much to explain your issue, then your issue is in fact overthinking the process.
Growing is simple and the PF tek is specifically designed to allow tons of headroom for failure. I can't imagine anyone following the directions and not getting something to fruit, so it stands to reason that you likely deviated from the instructions somewhere.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273
Post specific questions if you want help, I'd like to address your concerns but I can't read through your life story to figure out what those are.
This.
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d0urd3n
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: Inocuole]
#23505278 - 08/03/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Eno, Ino, same thing. 
Haven't seen eno though lately, hope he's alright.
Haha I just realized I did that and changed it. Me too. I heard he's doing well. He'll be back.
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amidogen
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: d0urd3n]
#23505335 - 08/03/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:47 AM)
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omgwtfstfu
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505402 - 08/03/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only way to be 100% sure your syringes are good is to put them on agar. I'd skip all this nonsense and A) germinate on agar B) clean transfer C) noc up grain jars D) spawn to bulk. You are killing yourself over cakes. Bulk is too easy and much more rewarding. Much less maintenance as well. I did read enough of that novel you posted to tell that's a concern you have. Stop stressing, once you get it down you will have that skill forever.
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GombaTaltos
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505446 - 08/03/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't see you mention using a SAB or flaming your syringes.
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amidogen
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-------------------- The biggest trip of my life was realizing all of the events and actions described in posts made by this account were never real and had never actually happened, but were instead the delusional ramblings of a severely mentally ill human being. I just had to move on for my own good. I love you all.
Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:47 AM)
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Moabfighter
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505567 - 08/03/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Take that tape off ASAP.
The dry Verm layer will prevent mold etc.
Your jars literally cannot expel gasses. That's why there is supposed to be uncovered holes.
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amidogen
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-------------------- The biggest trip of my life was realizing all of the events and actions described in posts made by this account were never real and had never actually happened, but were instead the delusional ramblings of a severely mentally ill human being. I just had to move on for my own good. I love you all.
Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:47 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505586 - 08/03/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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probably dirty syringe, MP tape works and there's no mycel to suffocate anyway  some jars look good but that 1 is really fucked. have you watched the videos I linked yet? If your doing it exactly like the guy in the video, its your syringe 99% likely.
spores can take 3 weeks to germinate. patience!
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amidogen
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-------------------- The biggest trip of my life was realizing all of the events and actions described in posts made by this account were never real and had never actually happened, but were instead the delusional ramblings of a severely mentally ill human being. I just had to move on for my own good. I love you all.
Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 08:47 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505634 - 08/03/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MP tape is just extra precaution, if you leave your jars alone they dont need it but having tape doesnt hurt either.
your sgfc is waaaay to wet. dont mist as much as you are, let things have a chance to dry as well.
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george castanza
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Take a deep breath and relax.
If I were you I would start with the brf cakes and force a successful run.
I noticed that your mixing procedure is probably leaving your brf/verm mix too wet.
When mixing your brf and verm what I recommend is that you dry mix all your verm and half of your brf and then very slowly add water until you bring it up to field capacity and then very slowly sprinkle in the remaining brf mixing well the entire time.
When your mix is done you should be able to grab a handful of it and squeeze it and have no water drop out. Remember that the myc can always soak up more water later after it has colonized the substrate, and it cannot colonize the substrate if it's too wet, so it is always better to get your mix too dry as opposed to having it too wet.
Next thing I noticed was no mention of Lysol or oust or a HEPA. Lysol and oust are my two best friends when it comes to this hobby. I always spray liberally(no air moving in the house), grab my shower and clean clothes and if I'm working long sessions I'll take a break every half hour or forty five min or so and spray again. Also a good tip is to make sure you never exhale onto your work.
I also would not take any advice from someone who didn't take the time to read my post. I mean seriously what makes someone think they have your answers when the don't even know the questions. Please.
OK. So I would definitely go ahead and get the pressure canner/cooker. Use it to process your brf and to sterilize your plain dry verm. If you're feeling like switching to grain go ahead, but I would suggest that you get your cakes down first, everything you learn in this process will transfer to the bulk process.
Also spore selection. I would recommend that growing cakes you go with any south American strain, any one of the Mexican strains or tc or something. The strains you have are not known for prolific production from ms inoculation. I'm prohibited from recommending a specific vendor, so make sure your getting the right spores from a sponsor.
If you run into any troubles post back here and someone should be along to help you out.
Best of luck to you and don't give up, you can do this!
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donkeycong
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Re: Getting Grow Depression [Re: amidogen]
#23505646 - 08/03/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just want to chime in that I've had at least 4 or 5 failed grows before I got a really good flush in a dub tub. The trick is to never give up, and don't be discouraged by mistakes, just keep trying things until something works!
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