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teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man
    #23504397 - 08/03/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

August 2nd 2016


Jones' brother said he was high on acid when the crimes occurred.


Clayton Jones

GREENVILLE, SC (FOX Carolina) -

We're have learned more about the death of Spartanburg County Fire Commissioner, George Rush.

Deputies said he was gunned down in the car port area of his driveway while leaving for work Monday morning. Autopsy results from the coroner’s office show Rush was shot in the arm and the bullet traveled upward, penetrating his neck.

A 16-year-old neighbor is now charged as an adult with murder because of the severity of the crime. Clayton Jones was a rising sophomore at Boiling Springs High School.

FOX Carolina heard from Jones' 21-year-old brother, who told us, the teen was high and out of his mind when the crime happened. When Spartanburg County deputies arrested Jones, the sheriff said Jones was violent and kicked out the window in a patrol car.

Sheriff Chuck Wright said,  he thought Jones could have been under the influence of some kind of drug: "I'm thinking that he might have something in his system that normally is not there, I think that may be the case of the violence and stuff because he was acting strange."

We talked specifically about hallucinogens with local drug abuse experts. They say, hallucinogens are found in plants and mushrooms or can be man-made. Addiction psychiatrist Dr. John Roberts from the Pavilion Drug Treatment Program said hallucinogens can cause people to feel out of control.

Jones' brother confirmed a picture of the teen was posted on Snapchat about 10 hours before his arrest.  Jones is shown in the photo with a substance on his tongue said to be LSD or acid.

Jones’ brother told us, "Clayton Jones is my little brother. I picked him up about 15 minutes after he took the acid strip. He told me it was a 400 mg strip.  Well today I looked up what a normal amount beginners usually take to trip and it says on Google 20 mg is a decent amount.  He took way more than that and was acting weird, really weird so I know he's not in his right mind."             

Roberts said LSD is a powerful mood-changing chemical. It is also called "acid," "blotter," "dots," and "yellow sunshine."

Dr. Roberts’ said, "A bad trip is more fear-based and they become very fearful, kind of feel depressed but there's certainly they can get violent and depending on how paranoid they feel and if they feel people are attacking them. They can lose touch with reality and could become very violent."

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, LSD can be swallowed as a pill, a liquid or absorbed through the lining of the mouth using drug soaked paper pieces. From Jones' Snapchat photo, absorbing paper on his tongue appears to be what's happening in the picture.

Roberts said, people on LSD and acid often hallucinate.  “They might see the devil or think someone is coming after them. But, they lose touch with reality and become psychotic."

Roberts said experimenting with LSD can have life-altering and lifelong effects that often resemble schizophrenia.

http://www.wfxg.com/story/32602238/brother-said-suspect-was-high-on-acid


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Ogla]
    #23504422 - 08/03/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Implying someone on 400mg of LSD would even be alive


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23504499 - 08/03/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard about those 400mg strips. Word on the street, is that isis is leaking them out to these kids.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Chroniffer]
    #23504532 - 08/03/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lol. They obviously have mg mixed up with ug.  There is a very large chance that the teen doesn't even know what he took, and it wasn't real lsd.  He probably told his brother he took lsd, the picture shows blotter paper, and the authorities just jump to the conclusion that it's lsd..  When other drugs are sold as lsd on blotter paper, all of the time.  I just hate how all of the blame is placed on the drug, and not the fact that crazy 16 year olds shouldn't be allowed out alone on drugs, with guns...

Edit:  Ohh I hate this fox article the more I read it.  It said he was a rising sophomore, and puts the blame on lsd.  They act like he was out of his mind, and a perfect kid.  If you read other articles about the murder, he was over at the neighbors carport, and shot the man with his own gun after an altercation!  The man had also had his car broken into on a previous occasion!  It sounds like this kid breaks into his neighbors car, and was already up to no good. 


Edited by bigbitch (08/03/16 09:13 AM)


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: bigbitch] * 1
    #23504555 - 08/03/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

400mg strips?!?!?

Sign me up bro :trippinbawelz:


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Ogla]
    #23504603 - 08/03/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is great for the drug war

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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23504650 - 08/03/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

We talked specifically about hallucinogens with local drug abuse experts. They say, hallucinogens are found in plants and mushrooms or can be man-made.




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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23504695 - 08/03/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
Implying someone on 400mg of LSD would even be alive





thats only 4 hits...

If I remember correctly the ld50 of acid is ten times that, many recorded doses of 100 times that, with survival.

One dude did die injecting something like 300,000 ug, but u wud just expect that.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: twohigh]
    #23504700 - 08/03/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

400ug is only 4 hits


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #23504804 - 08/03/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

400mg = 4000 hits


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Ogla]
    #23504990 - 08/03/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what happened in the moments leading up to and after the shooting?

how was he arrested?(without getting shot)

where did he get the gun?

Why did he target this man and was there anyone with him to witness the murder?


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Ogla]
    #23505369 - 08/03/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A sixteen year old on 400ug of L unsupervised with a gun?
What could go wrong?  :crazy2:


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Ogla]
    #23505494 - 08/03/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like either


A: The trip brought out preexisting psychosis/schizophrenia and he had a total breakdown

or

B: He planned and premeditated the murder, and intentionally publicized taking LSD before acting out the murder as an excuse/scapegoat to try to get lesser charges or plead insanity.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Drugstore]
    #23505652 - 08/03/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I did twice that amount the other night... Still need to write a trip report


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Ogla]
    #23505698 - 08/03/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This occurred at least 10 hours after ingestion. He might have been still a little trippy, but blaming this on LSD is obviously insane. Most of the effects would have been gone by then.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: That Man] * 1
    #23505752 - 08/03/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This article is full of bad information. Definitely should say Ug and not mg... 20ug is not a beginner dose and neither is 20mg... What if somehow someone reads this and thinks that's a good dose? Odds are they could never get that much but still...  And seeing the devil on lsd?? I don't think so. I've never seen anything that wasn't really there and I have tripped acid over 100 times    Sounds like the kid was mindfucked and had a psychotic break possibly from an undiagnosed mental illness.

Honestly really sad, one innocent man lost his life and another mans life is now ruined all because of a little piece of paper and not enough information about it. 

Where did the gun come from? Where was the brother stopping him or calling an ambulance when he freaked out to get him a shot to come down.

All bad things here.

As far as being bad for the drug war... Well that's just a lost cause anyway, shit like this has been happening since lsd has been used by humans on rare occasions. And if you think it's a "winnable" war and drugs will become legal you are kidding yourself.

The blotter looks the right size but who knows if it was really lsd at all..

Very sad in lots of ways


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: SnowDaze]
    #23506369 - 08/03/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Causing death to someone else while hallucinating has never been on my bucket list.

I have a hard enough time with the uber/lyft drivers while tripping and just being overall uncomfortable.

Underlying shitty issues masked by his personal problematic drug use as the scapegoat


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: natzyshroomer]
    #23507329 - 08/03/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At least theres enough around again that stories like this are popping up. Cant say acid is dry anymore. People do stupid shit and yeah shooting someone is extreme but tell a million people to test a new mattress and one is gonna fall off and break their arm. You can't sit there at the head of a line and judge and give 'permission' for someone to use drugs, in the end the choice is their own and you'd probably get offended if they told you to lay off your shit anyway


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Drugstore]
    #23508240 - 08/04/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Apostle said:


where did he get the gun?

Why did he target this man and was there anyone with him to witness the murder?



Quote:

SnowDaze said:

Where did the gun come from? Where was the brother stopping him or calling an ambulance when he freaked out to get him a shot to come down.




Read my part of the post where it says edit!

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psillyboy said:
A sixteen year old on 400ug of L unsupervised with a gun?
What could go wrong?  :crazy2:



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Drugstore said:
Sounds like either


A: The trip brought out preexisting psychosis/schizophrenia and he had a total breakdown

or

B: He planned and premeditated the murder, and intentionally publicized taking LSD before acting out the murder as an excuse/scapegoat to try to get lesser charges or plead insanity.




He actually didn't even have a gun, until he broke into his neighbors car AGAIN (the guy he shot).  He was over at the victims house carport, breaking into a vehicle, and the county fire commissioner/past security officer, confronted him as he was leaving for work.  It's unclear what type of altercation took place, but he got shot.  His wife came out and saw him dead.

So I don't think he premeditated it, or had a breakdown.  It seems like hes a pussy and was scared of a 60 yr old man, who was unhappy a teenager had stolen his gun.  So during some sort of altercation, he shot him.  I highly doubt it was lsd as well.  Anyone dumb enough to post their photo on snapchat saying "trying acid for tha first time", and break into the neigbors car while fucked up, prob is the type to get sold a rc.

The picture is in the sunlight of the "acid" on his tongue as well.  The murder happened at 6am.  They said the photo was posted on snapchat 10hrs before the murder, which would be 8pm.  It looks too bright outside to be 8pm, so he probably posted the picture some hours after he took the picture.  So if it was real lsd, he definitely would not be tripping still.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: bigbitch]
    #23508453 - 08/04/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

there's a timestamp on the pic


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Apostle]
    #23508864 - 08/04/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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there's a timestamp on the pic



I just noticed that. Can you read it?  It looks like it says 11:03 pm, but that is less than 10 hours from the murder, and it is way too bright outside for that time.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: bigbitch]
    #23508874 - 08/04/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

looks to be about 11 something PM, i agree.


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Apostle]
    #23508879 - 08/04/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if you look through the trees that looks like night time to me.

perhaps he used his flash?


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Apostle]
    #23511135 - 08/04/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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if you look through the trees that looks like night time to me.

perhaps he used his flash?



hmm, doesn't quite look like a flash to me.  The time may be correct though.  It does kind of look like a big house light or street light at night.  Or it could be daytime, and just thick trees or something black behind the trees, with the sun hitting it from the right direction.  It could even be a flash, and I might be perceiving it wrong. 


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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: SnowDaze]
    #23512211 - 08/05/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This article is full of bad information. Definitely should say Ug and not mg... 20ug is not a beginner dose and neither is 20mg... What if somehow someone reads this and thinks that's a good dose? Odds are they could never get that much but still...  And seeing the devil on lsd?? I don't think so. I've never seen anything that wasn't really there and I have tripped acid over 100 times    Sounds like the kid was mindfucked and had a psychotic break possibly from an undiagnosed mental illness.

Honestly really sad, one innocent man lost his life and another mans life is now ruined all because of a little piece of paper and not enough information about it. 

Where did the gun come from? Where was the brother stopping him or calling an ambulance when he freaked out to get him a shot to come down.

All bad things here.

As far as being bad for the drug war... Well that's just a lost cause anyway, shit like this has been happening since lsd has been used by humans on rare occasions. And if you think it's a "winnable" war and drugs will become legal you are kidding yourself.

The blotter looks the right size but who knows if it was really lsd at all..

Very sad in lots of ways




You've taken lsd over 100 times and have never seen something that wasn't there?

I'm so sorry to hear that, it's almost as sad as what's happened in the OP lol.

Come party with my friends and I and you'll get good and fried. I promise you'll be seeing all types of shit!



I also believe this kid was probably a little shit who had issues with this older man that predates any acid trip.

He was arrested 10 hours after posting the pic of himself dosing, but how long after dosing did he commit the murder? The arrest could come hours after the crime or minutes.

I'm assuming the police arrived rather quickly considering it was gunshots going off in a neighborhood.

I could totally see someone planning on using acid as an excuse for an insanity plea in a murder case.

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Re: teen high on 'acid' fataly shoots another man [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23512488 - 08/05/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the pic looks like a small rectangle so id say its two hits he took that were advertised at 200ug each.


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