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Offlinebeforethedawn
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Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances
    #23504163 - 08/03/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Psychotic disorders are subjectively resolvable.

For example paranoia is a deep-seated trust issue stemming from childhood. Because of the strangeness of the child psyche inside yourself it turns into strange voices of persecution and other delusions.

Anti-psychotics have no effect but to suppress any kind of abnormal consciousness that might pose a threat to a control grid.

There is no way creating your own reality is going to help an agenda of "objective" (so they think) control.

Also doors can be opened, special abilities gained.

Antipsychotics will just shut down the brain almost completely, but in a subtle way - you sort of accept it because you can't know you have lost consciousness.

Psychiatry is a complete sham, designed to suppress consciousness expansion, along with culture.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: beforethedawn] * 2
    #23504434 - 08/03/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think they helped me to supress them . Now i we are lowing the dosage and i can feel how it hits me again but sure not as hard as before. They helped me .


Depends on what you have they help


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23505107 - 08/03/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's not so bad.

well probably I still am not conscious about what it really does to me bcause im' still on it and maybe you are right.

Perhaps my biggest concern of all is the damage that it does to your mind and personality because it cleans your toughts turning your mind blank and neutralizes your preferences which are the things that defines you resuming I think it depersonalizes the people who take them.

Going on the theme for objectivity I consider that antipsychotics are an invention of psychiatry made to control the people that dont follow society rules numbing them down such as me and not allowing them to be creative.
The psichiatry is considered a scamm because its made to control people for life and not to cure those for a limited period of time (well there are many other reasons but I choose this one)

But as I know consciousness is always there and always will be so not 100% sure but when I come off my antipsychotic it will come back.

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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Spiralspider]
    #23505123 - 08/03/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Going on vacations with good friends to a relaxed place  or getting a nice girlfriend will cure psychosis faster than antipsychotics thats my belief but sometimes life is not easy or what you want so you got to stick with what you have in hand.

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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Spiralspider]
    #23505560 - 08/03/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This really scares me i'm hooked on Geodon and can't seem to get off.. It makes me really zombie'd out. It was hard to cry when my mom passed away but I eventually did. What can I do?


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Spiralspider]
    #23508355 - 08/04/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spiralspider said:
Going on vacations with good friends to a relaxed place  or getting a nice girlfriend will cure psychosis faster than antipsychotics thats my belief




For you, perhaps.

That sounds more like oxytocin than what (if I am correct) typical antipsychotics would do.

Social interaction and love both trigger release of oxytocin which has a positive effect on the dopaminergic system in the brain.

I don't see why anyone would think dopamine antagonists would work, here.

And yeah, it's just a set of symptoms.

Psychosis is not only caused by one thing and some presentations of it are completely different than the models.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: micro]
    #23521366 - 08/08/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You maybe right!

I was prescribed antipsychotics for drug induced psychosis and I still think I wasn't suffering any kind of mental ilness so my opinion is subjective to my experience and not about maybe real psychosis.
The antipsychotics all do about the same, they block dopamine and serotonin thus keep your toughts from going to the edge and really as the OP says shuts the brain off.
I dont know if im right but the illness schizophrenia is a psychosis that lasts forever?

I agree on the acceptance part. Once you've taken you can't really complain because youre numbed out and with less consciousness


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Spiralspider]
    #23521875 - 08/08/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah.. Have schizophrenia and uncountable psychotic episodes and say not to get on anti-psychotics. They may sometimes have bad side effects, the newer ones are better though, but in this case the pros can definitely greatly outweigh the cons.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: eeso]
    #23540475 - 08/14/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

most people that get put into that shit are forced into it with gang stalking and beatings
I went 7 years before I just backed out and realized there are certain people you don't make time for
and then you  have the hospital keeping you as their prisoner and sucking up half a years salary every day to scoop out chunks of your brain


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Konyap]
    #23541013 - 08/14/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yeah anti-psychotics ain't all that great. they made me gain 50 pounds, just finally got back to a good weight. Also, I remember when they started working that it felt like part of my brain got shut down.. so I have no idea exactly how much this shit is affecting my brain and in what way.

not worth it folks.. also the stuff im on has a high risk of DEATH! there is a high chance that given enough time, this "medicine" will lower my white blood cell count and leave me very vulnerable to infection.

Clozapine, by the way. The only good thing about it is that I never have trouble sleeping at night because this shit knocks me right out.. I couldn't stay awake if I tried with all my might! lol


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: EternalCowabunga] * 2
    #23541735 - 08/14/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This thread title is incredibly misleading and quite possibly dangerous. I would strongly suggest changing it to something more along the lines of "I don't like antipsychotics". Sure, you may think they're terrible, and you may think that there are better ways to deal with whatever issues you have, but telling people to avoid a certain class of drugs just because is akin to prohibition. We know how well that works.

Can't say I've ever taken any antipsychotics, but I keep some thorazine on hand at all times for trip killers. Every drug has its use, and in many cases, the pros outweigh the cons so significantly that you should probably just go ahead and pop some pills every day. If anything, you'll be coherent/alive enough to be around to complain about side effects.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #23543253 - 08/15/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree but it is never that easy. Anti-psychotics can help tremendously but they should not be used long-term.
I knew why I had schizophrenia and the resulting way I felt (severe bullying in high school, social isolation at a young age, etc) but at the time, I could not control how I thought or felt.
The problem with todays medication dependency (and not fixing the root cause) is the medications are prescribed at way too high doses.
For example when I was on Clozapine, I started at 300mg a day. When I felt better and realised I just need to accept what happened in my past and deal with how I felt, I tapered the dose slowly with no help from anyone but me.
Slowly but surely (I also wrote a list down in my head with points and facts that I needed to remember, such as "You wish the world was watching you 24/7" and "You feel this way because of your subconscious and what people have done to you in the past; not every person is like this and there is good in this world") I had dramatic improvements in my mental and physical well being. I got down to 100mg a day. My paranoia and delusions lessened then eventually COMPLETELY disappeared.

The biggest problem is, people are told and convinced there is no hope and they NEED this medication for perhaps a lifetime. They are told it is permanent physical and physiological changes in themselves and the medication is correcting this. Nah.

Everyone can change and improve. I went from being mentally ill my whole life, it worsening to the point I was in and out of mental wards (and on dozens of medication) and then 2~ years later, I had a spiritual and mental breakthrough. I was the best I had ever been in my whole life; no paranoia, delusions, worry or anxiety. Nothing. I went from a beta coward living in his man cave his whole life to an extremely confident, laidback and happy person.

TLDR;

medication may be necessary at that time but never give up hope and always strive to change.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23543666 - 08/15/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What about when you are in the mental hospital or jail and want to have some intense psychedelic sex dreams?

Risperdal FTW!


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: beforethedawn] * 2
    #23544152 - 08/15/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some people need anti-psychotics. Usually it's the psychotic ones.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
    #23565592 - 08/22/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was told to stay on antipsychotics forever. I went off them immediately and made a full recovery. For me not taking them was the right move. I agree for me it was a subjectively resolvable process.

YMMV.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23566153 - 08/22/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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beforethedawn said:For example paranoia is a deep-seated trust issue stemming from childhood. Because of the strangeness of the child psyche inside yourself it turns into strange voices of persecution and other delusions.




Well, no. Not always. You can develop paranoia as an adult very easily and many causes are known (like crack and meth et al.)

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Anti-psychotics have no effect but to suppress any kind of abnormal consciousness that might pose a threat to a control grid.




Well uhh.. you have typical and atypical Anti-psychotics. The typical ones are dopamine antagonists and the atypical ones for example haloperidol.

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There is no way creating your own reality is going to help an agenda of "objective" (so they think) control.




You're either forming conspiracy theories or you are giving the psychiatrists way too much credit. They only know what has generally worked for people in the past. They can't foresee how a certain drug will react in a given person.

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Also doors can be opened, special abilities gained.




Warp to level twelve!

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Antipsychotics will just shut down the brain almost completely, but in a subtle way - you sort of accept it because you can't know you have lost consciousness.




You aren't loosing consciousness but the most notable thing would be the inhibition of the ventral tegmental area which is responsible for conditioned learning. The other thing that could happen is Parkinson like symptoms, but this is rare.

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Psychiatry is a complete sham, designed to suppress consciousness expansion, along with culture.




It's a sham but I highly doubt they had such lofty motives in mind, when Freud was sniffing coke and thinking about fucking his mom all day. Did you expect a field of (what they like to try and call) Science founded by the guy who coined both Oedipus Complex and Projection to have much objective value to it, at all?


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: micro]
    #23569286 - 08/23/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's reasonable.

By the way both typical and atypicals are dopamine antagonists, but the atypicals also target serotonin.

For some reason the most effective atypical, and the first one made, clozapine, is very weak at dopamine suppression.

...sorta shows they really have no idea, I guess.


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23569684 - 08/23/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Invega is the shit, it doesn't suppress Dopamine and the mechanism of action is "unknown"... mmmbooyah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paliperidone


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: yeah]
    #23569768 - 08/23/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

yeah said:
Invega is the shit, it doesn't suppress Dopamine and the mechanism of action is "unknown"... mmmbooyah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paliperidone




It's a dopamine antagonist; that means it suppresses dopamine. It's also pretty much identical to Risperidone which we understand how it works on the basic level (dopamine, serotonin, etc)


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Re: Don't use antipsychotics under any circumstances [Re: daz01]
    #23569843 - 08/23/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Risperdal + derivatives are not your friend!

Boobehs, marked worsening of negative symptoms.


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