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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Sheekle]
#23507537 - 08/03/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never heard someone in person actually say bad things about LSD. Part of me thinks that might have to do with where I live though. I have heard people brag about it who (in retrospect) had obviously never done it.
I don't get why people want to brag about doing LSD especially people who have never actually done it.
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That 2nd paragraph is spot on.. I ALWAYS think about that while tripping; how does 2 drops of a substance get my mind so twisted and inebriated in such a pleasurable way. Since you brought up sadness and emotions, do you personally feel like your emotions have dulled down while sober? For example, being out with your friends and they say something funny or sad, does it feel like your almost "forcing" your emotions?
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: nooneman]
#23507551 - 08/03/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I keep my use almost a complete secret, only carefully selected friends kno
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Peyote Road]
#23507575 - 08/03/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: Some guy asked me for shrooms and i said i only have enough for myself but ill see what i can do. Then i asked if he wants some LSD if i find a good source and he goes "LSD? what the fuck?" its like dude you are down for shrooms, why does a drug with such a similar method of action put you off so much that when someone offers it to you you are surprised. To me that just shows that he hasnt done his research so im not going to hook him up. If he chooses not to do it because its a street drug that could be fake or what ever then thats his choice but he clearly just thinks it will fry his brain or some shit.
Ive had someone tell me that you can OD on shrooms.
a lot of it is stigma, for example when i was in college i used to sell norco to this guy who lived down the hall from me. one day i didn't have any norco so i offered him some oxy instead and he was shocked and acted like i had just offered him crack or something, even though hydrocodone and oxycodone really aren't that different in what they do to you.
on the other hand, i think we should respect peoples stigmas even if they dont make logical sense because in a way its like drawing the line somewhere, even if where you draw it is arbitrary.
because i hesitated to draw lines with my own drug use, i ended up getting deeper into addiction than i would have, had i believed in the stigmas.
another example i once dated a religious girl who wouldn't use any illegal drugs because she believed it was a sin to break the law and she waited til she was 21 before trying alcohol also. you could look at her as being ultra naive (which she was) and stupid for trusting that the government actually had her interests in mind, but on the other hand who do you think ended up with a drug problem, her or me? Me of course. Irrational stigma against drugs can easily end up saving a person from catching an addiction.
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BANANA.MAN said: Some guy asked me for shrooms and i said i only have enough for myself but ill see what i can do. Then i asked if he wants some LSD if i find a good source and he goes "LSD? what the fuck?" its like dude you are down for shrooms, why does a drug with such a similar method of action put you off so much that when someone offers it to you you are surprised. To me that just shows that he hasnt done his research so im not going to hook him up. If he chooses not to do it because its a street drug that could be fake or what ever then thats his choice but he clearly just thinks it will fry his brain or some shit.
Ive had someone tell me that you can OD on shrooms.
a lot of it is stigma, for example when i was in college i used to sell norco to this guy who lived down the hall from me. one day i didn't have any norco so i offered him some oxy instead and he was shocked and acted like i had just offered him crack or something, even though hydrocodone and oxycodone really aren't that different in what they do to you.
on the other hand, i think we should respect peoples stigmas even if they dont make logical sense because in a way its like drawing the line somewhere, even if where you draw it is arbitrary.
because i hesitated to draw lines with my own drug use, i ended up getting deeper into addiction than i would have, had i believed in the stigmas.
another example i once dated a religious girl who wouldn't use any illegal drugs because she believed it was a sin to break the law and she waited til she was 21 before trying alcohol also. you could look at her as being ultra naive (which she was) and stupid for trusting that the government actually had her interests in mind, but on the other hand who do you think ended up with a drug problem, her or me? Me of course. Irrational stigma against drugs can easily end up saving a person from catching an addiction.
I've been in the same situation!!! One of my Homies who has only smoked weed(could barely handle it) and tried Prometh/codeine syrup once and asked me if I had anymore syzzurp; when I told him I was out of lean but had xanax or tramadol, he accuses me of trying to force drugs on him so he gets addicted. Like WHAT?!? how can you be so close minded to the point that you have tried lean but will not try a benzo or synthetic opiate simply because it's a "pill" and not in liquid form so he can post pictures bragging about his "dirty lean". I've had nother buddy of mine tell me I have a problem with amphetamines and uppers in general(years ago) yet he was sucking up an eight ball every 3-4 days. Some people are just so hard headed that they actually make things worse for them. ---as for the addiction, I completely agree with you. I started using when I was 14(not super young but not old) and I have just now (6yrs later) realized that I had an issue and that I had to stop. Luckily my Homie had some L and I fried for the first time in a year and immediately decided that LsD and weed are the drugs for me(with the occasional downer or upper)
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: SonicTitan]
#23507585 - 08/03/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've read that you can't be a pilot if you use LsD too, in fact one of my friends has tripped on mucks 5+ times but refuses to use LSD for that exact reason.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Alprazolambodia]
#23507613 - 08/03/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My friend who im tripping on shrooms with tomorrow says that he would never try LSD or any research chemicals because it is synthetic. He has done LSA a bunch of times too, more than me. He does nootropics that dont occur in nature too.
I do not understand why people assume that something is safe because its natural, Or its dangerous because it isnt.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23507711 - 08/03/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: My friend who im tripping on shrooms with tomorrow says that he would never try LSD or any research chemicals because it is synthetic. He has done LSA a bunch of times too, more than me. He does nootropics that dont occur in nature too.
I do not understand why people assume that something is safe because its natural, Or its dangerous because it isnt.
Because some people see evidence of design or balance in nature. I certainly don't think everything natural is safe, heck, I don't think life is safe. On the contrary to me life on earth seems inherently dangerous.
However, when it comes to my body and the experiences I have had with mind altering chemicals, I have noticed that for me, the natural entheogens have a certain balance, or signature to them, that reflects the natural balance or working of the universe.
They have risks no doubt, but to me the risks are always in line with the greater natural principles that govern existence.
On the other hand, when I have ingested synthetics, I have detected a different energy. They have the out of balance energy of man within them.
For examples I used to be dependent on benzodiazepines. THe withdrawal from those drugs was horrendous and completely out of my balance with my body and how things were supposed to work. Clearly whoever designed them had no understanding of how to make something that works with the human body rather than just on it.
In comparison with the natural sedatives, like kava, valerian, skullcap and mulungu bark, all of those have some kind of positive, healing action going on with them in addition to just sedation. None of them produce the horrendous withdrawal of the benzodiazepines.
Its obvious to me (and I realize this is controversial but I am simply being true to my experience) that there is a difference between these natural medicines and the man made ones.
This is also in line with what I said earlier in the thread about how the problems associated with cocaine and heroin are much greater than the risks of their natural counter parts, opium and coca leaf.
I think as a general rule of safe drug use, sticking to natural drugs is a very good rule, as they are by and large a lot safer.
I'm not saying all man made drugs are unsafe, I think LSD is pretty safe for example but keep in mind LSD has been studied more so than almost every other chemical. WHen it comes to RCs we really dont know much about them and their potential risks. And even though LSD is safe, I still find it lacks some of the balance of the natural entheogens and tends to be more abuseable.
MDMA is another drug which interests me, because on the one hand it has some unique therapeutic effects which cannot be found in any natural substance but on the other hand, is in my opinion, really bad for your body/mind and quite upsetting to its natural balance. This is why everyone says to take it so infrequently. Its a great example of how man operates vs how nature operates. MDMA the man made is so much more prone to abuse and so much more likely to cause mental/physical problems than its closest natural cousin (mescaline cactus). But it does have some therapuetic effects which mescaline lacks.
So to me it seems like man really struggles to make anything as elegant as what nature gives us.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Alprazolambodia]
#23507722 - 08/03/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alprazolambodia said: That 2nd paragraph is spot on.. I ALWAYS think about that while tripping; how does 2 drops of a substance get my mind so twisted and inebriated in such a pleasurable way. Since you brought up sadness and emotions, do you personally feel like your emotions have dulled down while sober? For example, being out with your friends and they say something funny or sad, does it feel like your almost "forcing" your emotions?
No for me it's actually the opposite. I had several life changing mushroom trips and I mean really life changing as in things were quite different even after the trip wore off. I've only had a few of these with LSD but wo am I kidding, one is all you need. Well I had one huge mushroom one in spring of 2013 and life was just changed forever and since then lots of things have been different and thoughts and emotions seem more amplified. I've gone through the pains of humanity while in mushroom realms and it really has stuck with me. I think these powerful ancient oral tryptamines like mushrooms, iboga and ayahuasca can change the way people connect with their emotions and even LSD I think does this to some extent but it seems these ancient substances can make life seem more like a spiritual primordial journey.
So no I don't feel I have to force emotions or laughter I actually feel like I have to hold a lot of it back. I am however MUCH less surprised by even outrageous things in everyday life/reality and no experience really 'thrills' me anymore or gives me something that changes my perspective (at least not drastically) and I am much more skeptical about things. I also can't be fake anymore which is hard. 2 dimensional reality just doesn't do justice to other places I have experienced and even though the world is much more beautiful after psychedelics it is still extremely dull in comparison.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Peyote Road]
#23507738 - 08/03/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What you said about benzos is so true, you think it would be possible to change any sort of benzo to a less harmful chemical? And also, what exactly does valerian root and those other natural sedatives you listed do? If I was struggling to sleep, taking any of those 4 natural sedatives would chance the chemical balance in my brain?(almost like mimicking a benzo?)
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Alprazolambodia]
#23507800 - 08/03/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alprazolambodia said: What you said about benzos is so true, you think it would be possible to change any sort of benzo to a less harmful chemical? And also, what exactly does valerian root and those other natural sedatives you listed do?
Are you asking about something to replace benzos like just a safer alternative? I've heard of people using kratom for various things I have yet ti try it though to see what it's really all about.
I tried a few valerian pills several years ago and nothing ever happened, I think I may have smoked weed too and really nothing. My friend said if you mix it with alcohol you'll feel good but I don't know I never really had luck with it but there must be something more to it than what I was aware of back then so I kind of want to give it another shot.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Alprazolambodia]
#23508041 - 08/04/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alprazolambodia said: So this guy hits my line today asking if I have tried shrooms and if I would reccomend it. I told him how I preferred acid and he responds saying "yeah but I don't want my shit to fry" as if he's gunna become completely brain dead after taking acid, like cmon. But then he goes and pops 2 oxy's like its nothing. Another instance a few days ago was at work and somehow acid got brought up. My coworker then says "yeah I heard that if you take over 7 hits you are legally retarded"; why is it so common to meet people who think LSD is this crazy drug that consumes your brain and soul. Lol there loss, Its a bummer the Feds fucked sweet L's rep.
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Just commenting on the title of your post, because not many people have tried it.. In a word speculation.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23508193 - 08/04/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: My friend who im tripping on shrooms with tomorrow says that he would never try LSD or any research chemicals because it is synthetic. He has done LSA a bunch of times too, more than me. He does nootropics that dont occur in nature too.
I do not understand why people assume that something is safe because its natural, Or its dangerous because it isnt.
I'm pretty sure HBWR seeds are way more harmful than 2C-B. Done both and the dose of LSA that made me trip good felt more like a poison than a psychedelic. Which makes sense because they contain poison. INTENSE dry mouth, bad vasoconstriction that lasts past psychedelic effects, profuse vomiting and nausea that lasted long into the night after trip. I tried to sleep. Felt cold, had some awful pain in my abdomen and felt delirious. The trip was long gone, but just started getting scary. Seriously thought I might not wake up.
2C-B ,a "research chemical"(a term I detest) to most, feels quite clean to me.
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2C-B is scheduled in canada so its not really a research chem, and starting october 31st 2016 all 2Cs will be aswell. Also i think alot of people are starting to consider 2C-B and 2C-I classic psychedelics now.
Its just funny because LSA is an ergoline like LSD but he wont try LSD because its not natural.
Also wow those effects sound horrible. We used Morning Glory seeds which have a lower concentration of the stuff that makes you sick. On the worst one so far, I just had stomach pain and muscle tension in my limbs for 2 hours and then after that wore off i was tripping.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23509750 - 08/04/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That sounds like an experience I would only want a couple time
And I know people like that too it just makes me shake my head
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: Alprazolambodia]
#23509807 - 08/04/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I acctually gave the rest of my seeds to that friend. Its not worth it when i have mushrooms lol.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23510039 - 08/04/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: 2C-B is scheduled in canada so its not really a research chem, and starting october 31st 2016 all 2Cs will be aswell. Also i think alot of people are starting to consider 2C-B and 2C-I classic psychedelics now.
Na
Definitely a big na right there the 2Cs can never be considered classic psychedelics. Even things like ayahuasca and LSA are not considered "classic psychedelics".
The classic psychedelics will always just be mescaline, LSD, shrooms and DMT Literally anything else is not and cannot be considered a classic psych.
The classic psychedelics don't kill people either and that's kind of a big one. The 2Cs really can't be considered anything other than relatively "common psychedelics".
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nooneman


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Well that's just like, your opinion, man.
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Re: Why does LSD have such a bad reputation:/ [Re: nooneman]
#23510513 - 08/04/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No that is definitely not an opinion. The classic psychedelics are the classic psychedelics, it's not simply what one "views" as being classic. It's not different for everyone.
You think mescaline, shrooms, LSD and DMT being the classics is something I chose? It's not. They are the classic psychs it's already been established. It's no one's opinion that's just the facts of the matter.
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2C-B is better than LSD, Shrooms, DMT, and AS good as mescaline.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: No that is definitely not an opinion. The classic psychedelics are the classic psychedelics, it's not simply what one "views" as being classic. It's not different for everyone.
You think mescaline, shrooms, LSD and DMT being the classics is something I chose? It's not. They are the classic psychs it's already been established. It's no one's opinion that's just the facts of the matter.
I'm gunna have to side with you, that would be like a new type of pill coming out but considering it a "classic" because it gives similar effects to an actual classic. RC's aren't Classic is a very known thing
Now just because it's not a "classic" doesn't mean it's not just as powerful, it's just simply not one of the classic psychs. Maybe just maybe in younger generations will they be considered "classic" by all psychonauts
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