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Should I remove the foil?
    #23502412 - 08/02/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I did some grave digging in the forums and came across an old debate. During colonization should I remove the foil to allow for GE or will it be fine with the foil? Maybe I'll do a test run on some of my jars.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502414 - 08/02/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Remove the foil


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502417 - 08/02/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes remove the foil


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502419 - 08/02/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Remove the foil.                      but its not like its gonna completely ruin things either way but for ge purposes its said to be better to remove foil.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: MountainManDan]
    #23502422 - 08/02/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

leaving it on will prevent contam. better, it's really a matter of personal opinion.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23502442 - 08/02/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Really no debate, no tek says to put the foil back on. The only purpose of the foil is to keep water out during sterilization. Leaving the foil on during colonization can trap moisture in the dry verm layer ruining it as a filter.
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leaving the foil on, which causes the verm filter to get damp, which in turn allows contaminants to colonize right through it. 
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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23502460 - 08/02/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yep that debate is still pretty open. . . I did a quick search that said "remove foil?" Only got back 1047 results from trusted cultivators saying to remove the foil. One day it will be settled. One day.




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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23502466 - 08/02/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Really no debate, no tek says to put the foil back on. The only purpose of the foil is to keep water out during sterilization. Leaving the foil on during colonization can trap moisture in the dry verm layer ruining it as a filter.
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leaving the foil on, which causes the verm filter to get damp, which in turn allows contaminants to colonize right through it. 
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This is for a wbs tek. I do not use a dry layer.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502474 - 08/02/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Remove the foil. You have a filter for a reason.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23502478 - 08/02/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Random question.. if I want my jars to have foil hats, should I join them? :tinfoil:


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23502485 - 08/02/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I removed the foil. I'm also about to do some cracked corn, I'm going to take a spoonful of myc from a tub I have going to colonize it.
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Remove the foil. You have a filter for a reason.



I'm a failure -.- I have no filter. I've got polyfil but it's not used on my jars. I simply have one hole that I use for inoc and GE. BTW Thank you for your guidance now and in any future.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502489 - 08/02/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wait what? You have one hole with no poly? But you use it for inoc and GE? So like just an open hole?


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23502494 - 08/02/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yup, I've done it that way forever. I haven't had many problems. maybe 1 tub contam, and a few stalled jars.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502507 - 08/02/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I'm under the impression I'm using an out dated tek for my jars. :frown: Anyone want to point me in the right direction? I'll be willing to pick up plastic lids if need be.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502512 - 08/02/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you considered growing weed instead? :rofl: jkjk. In this case leaving the foil on might be your better option. Molds tend to travel downwards (ya know gravity and all), keeping the hole covered might be your best bet.

On your next set of jars, which you should start ASAP, use filters and remove the foil after inoc. Universally accepted filters are SFDs siliconed to the lid.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23502539 - 08/02/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you considered growing weed instead? :rofl: jkjk. In this case leaving the foil on might be your better option. Molds tend to travel downwards (ya know gravity and all), keeping the hole covered might be your best bet.

On your next set of jars, which you should start ASAP, use filters and remove the foil after inoc. Universally accepted filters are SFDs siliconed to the lid.




SFD is a filter right? Can I use poly for that?


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23502548 - 08/02/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can but poly must be stuffed tight, and is annoying af when it pops out when shaking. SFD is just like cheap af and is much more noob friendly IME


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23502556 - 08/02/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You can but poly must be stuffed tight, and is annoying af when it pops out when shaking. SFD is just like cheap af and is much more noob friendly IME



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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23502560 - 08/02/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Random question.. if I want my jars to have foil hats, should I join them? :tinfoil:



As long as you remove one of your hats don't wanna get a moldy head :lmao:


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23502595 - 08/02/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're gonna use myc from a tub to colonize your jar? I hope your trolling.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Urmomma]
    #23502849 - 08/02/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not at all, I've done it before with success.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23503071 - 08/02/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just because you did something once or twice or even a dozen times, doesn't mean it was successful or that it was a viable method. Loads of people get away with all kinds of ill advised stuff. There was a guy a few years back who did grain expansion, in open air, with a spoon dipped in alcohol, from contamed jars just avoiding the contam. He swore it worked, he did it with success.

Fast forward a few years and he does agar in a SAB with the rest of us. He got away with it for a long time too. But when his luck ran out, it ran out nasty.

Run 10 tubs and call it luck. Run 1000 and call it success.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23503701 - 08/02/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just because you did something once or twice or even a dozen times, doesn't mean it was successful or that it was a viable method. Loads of people get away with all kinds of ill advised stuff. There was a guy a few years back who did grain expansion, in open air, with a spoon dipped in alcohol, from contamed jars just avoiding the contam. He swore it worked, he did it with success.

Fast forward a few years and he does agar in a SAB with the rest of us. He got away with it for a long time too. But when his luck ran out, it ran out nasty.

Run 10 tubs and call it luck. Run 1000 and call it success.



With that in mind I'll refrain from my experiments. I'll stick to my agar and petri dishes. (which I hate.) I want to use jars for my agar but it's all prepoured into petri dishes and I don't know of a tek to transfer it.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23503723 - 08/02/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If only you could put agar in jars...



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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Maximillion]
    #23503775 - 08/02/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just because you did something once or twice or even a dozen times, doesn't mean it was successful or that it was a viable method. Loads of people get away with all kinds of ill advised stuff. There was a guy a few years back who did grain expansion, in open air, with a spoon dipped in alcohol, from contamed jars just avoiding the contam. He swore it worked, he did it with success.

Fast forward a few years and he does agar in a SAB with the rest of us. He got away with it for a long time too. But when his luck ran out, it ran out nasty.

Run 10 tubs and call it luck. Run 1000 and call it success.



With that in mind I'll refrain from my experiments. I'll stick to my agar and petri dishes. (which I hate.) I want to use jars for my agar but it's all prepoured into petri dishes and I don't know of a tek to transfer it.




Mess around with stuff all you want. Just don't expect anyone else to take your word for it without some real documentation. Also an experiment has a hypothesis and usually only a single uncontrolled variable. MS is a variable unless you have a large sample size and use t tests. Keep that in mind and you will do fine.


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Re: Should I remove the foil? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23503879 - 08/02/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Guess I'll just have to buy Agar Powder. :frown:


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