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Oyster log in sgfc
    #23501879 - 08/02/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have a few months of experience with cubes now, and I am so excited about growing all kinds of edibles too! I got a pretty colonized oyster log (even though I also have spores and stuff to start from scratch). I was wondering if I could put it in my sgfc next to some pf tek cakes of psilocybe, or is there some kind of Spore interactions between the two that should be avoided? Don't know if that's a thing or not. Also, wouldn't it be advisable to cut many slits in the plastic around the log to create more pinning points? The instructions say to just open one end and let it fruits from that end. Any help appreciated!!


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23503291 - 08/02/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You need tons of fresh air for oysters, a SGFC won't even begin to cut it.

Because an oyster log is huge compared to a brf cake they fruit okay without a fruiting chamber, they don't dry out nearly as quick.

Normally you would put slits in the log, having the end of the log fully open will dry it out faster. Depends on the species/size of the log though.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: weetsie]
    #23574058 - 08/24/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, thanks man. I found out the hard way lol. I actually tossed the log yesterday but I got my very first home made oyster straw block at 90% colonization, so this time I'll get it right. Its about the size of a cinder block, but not quite as long. I did it in a spawn bag with a filter patch but I'm about to buy some polytubing for next time. I Was going to cut like 4 slits on the biggest, frontal face of the block, about 2-3 inches long. I was wondering tho, how WIDE should slits be? Just the width of the razor, or do you open it up more?


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23574311 - 08/24/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Usually half to three quarter inch slit is fine. They will push out of a small opening. Make a tent over top of bag with some plastic. Make it loose so there is air between and mist often . When pins start to develop remove plastic tent ,mist often.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23577392 - 08/25/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

  Alright man, thanks for the info. Here's the straw block I made will probably be ready Saturday. I actually already have small holes for ge. Like 8 tiny slits all over. So I guess I can just unwrap it and put in the light. They're blue oysters btw. So, I just need to try to mist inside the slits, then?


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23577394 - 08/25/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

By "unwrap it" I mean it's wrapped in a cotton sheet to keep out light.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23577473 - 08/25/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Russk, are those knots forming in the second pic?  Pasteurized or sterilized?  Looks good.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23577668 - 08/25/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It was pasteurized, and im not seeing any pins yet. Just made another one twice the size. King trumpet this time! Hopefully I can get a clean reishi culture, cause my last attempt contamd.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23577741 - 08/25/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right on.  You can also supplement straw with alfalfa cubes or pellets (among a ton of other things)for added yield and better fruit.  This is what I was referring to in the lower left of your second pic. Could just be an optical illusion but looks like knotting to me. 


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23577766 - 08/25/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just mist the block to raise the humidity around it. Fruiting = high humidity + fresh air + light + temperature


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23580305 - 08/26/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It does look like it in that pic. Gotta check her out when I get home. Should be right at %100 today or tomorrow


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23580309 - 08/26/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was wondering about supplementation of straw... Gonna do some research into this tonight for sure


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23593771 - 08/30/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23597614 - 08/31/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK so I was just about to post a pic of this block because it  looks really strange to me. Why are they sooo tiny?? At first I just cut slots and left top closed, but then decide to open the top and tape all over the slits except for this one. I was misting many times a day with the top open, but then put a humidity tent over, now just have to mist a few times. But, do these look like normal blue oyster??


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23597620 - 08/31/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23597893 - 08/31/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep,, they need 12 hrs of light. Light will turn pins blue then fade to grey or white. You need to leave plastic tent off now for fresh air and mist often as possible. Looking good!


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23598240 - 08/31/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome. I got the day off and the block in the living room, so she's getting lots of mist today. Haven't started turning blue yet. I'll post pics when done


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23598305 - 08/31/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see you've cut the top of the plastic off. Be careful not to get the substrate too wet. I don't see pins on top . You can leave loose plastic tent on the top . Just keep the pins uncovered and misted.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23600353 - 09/01/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



I guess these are done?? I expected them to be so much bigger. But the caps are beginning to curl up, so I guess that's it for this flush. Just a whole bunch of Itty bitties. They smell awesome tho. Probably sautee them tonight. Here is what's going on with the opening on top....


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23600372 - 09/01/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I figure after harvest, I'll tape up the slit and focus on fruiting it out through the top. But what about these pins at the top? If the cluster is ready for harvest, and there's a  bunch of pins on another part, how do I go about dunking? I mean do I pull up all those little pins because I'm harvesting the mature ones, or can I dunk with this pinning? Thanks a lot for all your help, fellas!!


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23600387 - 09/01/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No they aren't done . They appear to need more light. Caps should grow toward light.Keep misting pins Put them near a bright window( not in direct sunlight or they will cook ) or cool white lamp.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23600398 - 09/01/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alright.Glad to hear that.  I'll  go put it under a 6500k bulb


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23600403 - 09/01/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dunk usually not needed. Keep plastic tent over open top til knots of pins form just like the side did.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23604125 - 09/02/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I harvested the mushrooms today, and something a little strange. They don't smell very good at all! Kind of smell like fish. Bacteria, I'm guessing??


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23604379 - 09/02/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those look really weird. Don't know what to say. Terrible deformed. Cluster look fairly tight so air and light look to be sufficient. Maybe someone else can explain.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23604647 - 09/02/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think they are still safe to eat? They taste REALLY good, (I just had a tiny cap), but that smell has me a little weirded out. They've been in the refrigerator for 4 hours now, and the smell seems to be going away


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23604785 - 09/02/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well if there is bacteria most are killed when cooked. Your call. They look more mutated to me.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Quadman]
    #23604991 - 09/02/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those are some trippy looking oysters!  Nice work getting them all the way through.  The conditions mushrooms grow in directly effect their morphology...that's why it's important to look at spores/DNA for exact identification of fungi...yours had less than ideal conditions at the beginning of the fruiting cycle leading to this funky looking fruit.  They should be perfectly fine to eat, however, you really shouldn't eat oyster mushrooms raw.  They produce hemolytic compounds (make you bleed) which irritate the digestive system.  Do they just smell really fungal?  I think the golds have a particularly strong odor...not unpleasant but definitely fungal/fishy.  They're also my favorite flavor-wise.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23605102 - 09/02/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the tip about raw oysters. That's news to me. And dosent smell fungal. It smells almost exactly like fish. Lol definitely eating em. tonight tho! Any ideas about what conditions caused such strange mutation or odor? Would like to avoid it next time, but just got some bad news. Went to check on the king trumpet in incubation, and.... Green


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23605112 - 09/02/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23605322 - 09/02/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Typically it's a lack of FAE and insufficient light that cause deformations.  It could just be the variety as far as the odor goes, maybe someone else with experience with that variety can chime in.  Like I said, the golds definitely smell fishy, especially when they're really fruiting.  I didn't notice it with the wild strain of greys I'm growing, in fact, I have caught a faint whiff of anise off of the older ones.  I found some white ones one time and they tasted like black licorice...I put them on a pizza and didn't like it they were so strong.  Anyway, nice work; You should post a thread here or in cultivation about fruit body morphology and deformation due to improper fruiting conditions.  I'd put the contaminated bag outside...no reason to chance it.  When things cool off it might fruit.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23605534 - 09/02/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see infection all over, a fishy smell is'nt a good sign.

I see mold, bacterial avoidance, discolouration.
Also those fruits are deformed, pathogens.

Sweet, fungal or no smell.

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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Ferather]
    #23605613 - 09/02/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ahh wait, the fishy smell, I always smelt phosphor.
Oysters use phosphor to produce pigments.

After reading this, its fishy.
My bad, I apologize.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Ferather]
    #23606196 - 09/02/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey thanks for the input. I don't understand what you are apologizing for. I really don't understand what that link is about, either. I think the gist of what you are saying is don't eat them??


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23606491 - 09/02/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think he's saying don't worry about his previous statement that the fishy smell was due to bacteria as it is likely due to the compounds used to form the pigments in the mushrooms...I can't see the article for some reason.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23607103 - 09/03/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'll re-write the post because I have confused the issue, sorry.

You have mold and, or bacteria in the substrate.
The deformed caps are for this reason.

Eating them may cause damage.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Ferather]
    #23607193 - 09/03/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks, Ferather! 
Hey Russk, I'd go with Ferather's advice but would definitely like to hear and see other opinions and experiences/pics...you should start the morph thread due to conditions/contaminants. It might be interesting as well as provide examples of various issues.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23607254 - 09/03/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, but I'm not sure why they morphed. As far as I could tell, conditions were good. Temp, 70-75, tons of fresh air and light, but... As I was pasteurizing some more straw last night, it hit me.... I'm pretty sure that they suffered due to a poor pasteurization. I remembered last night that I didn't do the 2 hour dish soap soak first, And I'm thinking I used too little lime. I Did another huge batch of straw last night to spawn 4 1/2 qts of King trumpet today. Going to do it in my last filter patch bag. Does anybody have a recommendation for who has the best deals on quality Polytubing?


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23607667 - 09/03/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok here we go, here are three sites that I am using to make an example.

Dry bubble (fungus spot) and Verticillium disease.
Pests and diseases of mushrooms.
Mushroom diseases.

Unclean grow area, under cooking or not working clean.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Ferather]
    #23607739 - 09/03/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Everything looked good to me...I thought they started in low light and maybe not the best FAE at the beginning...both cause strange morphologies.  I've never done anything to straw besides soaking in 140-170F water for 1.5 hours tops.  Never had an issue.  How long are you running it?  Over 2 hrs and you start killing the good bacteria you want to leave intact.  OR are you lime pasteurizing?  If so, sorry, I have no experience with that method and can't speed credibly on it.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23607808 - 09/03/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Straw is contam prone to pretty much everything. Cubensis can grow on straw.
I dont work with it, it sits under grain as #2 in my avoid list.

Try the Lipa + WL Tek, 50/50, works great.
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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Ferather]
    #23607840 - 09/03/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I don't like straw, along with all you said, it's really just too unwieldy.  I might come around to WL one day for spawn...and probably wonder why I didn't sooner.


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Mycolorado]
    #23608194 - 09/03/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I did a bucket tek with a little lime in it. I put the boiling water in the bucket with straw and closed air tight over night. I know it only requires an hour. And I did use lime but I think I should have used more


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Re: Oyster log in sgfc [Re: Russk]
    #23608334 - 09/03/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Did you use spawn? It may be the spawn was unclean.


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