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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23506170 - 08/03/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I find the parallels between the forms of racism here and those in South Africa very interesting, often quite telling.

I am very proud of my heritage and I feel lucky to be connected with it in so many different ways-- through my father's descent from pilgrims on the Mayflower and my mother's Dutch and Afrikaner heritage.

But, from my perspective, it's hard to deny that Europeans tend to establish very oppressive and racist social structures wherever they colonize, and when these structures break down, they tend to fuck off back to Europe rather than live with the aftermath of their exploitation. This is the pattern followed in the whole of the African continent, from Cape Town to Algiers.

American Europeans have never flocked back to Europe, and it's because that structure has never been reversed here, in fact it is going strong. The indigenous inhabitants of America are hopelessly disempowered and the white man has free reign to do with the land as he sees fit.




It happens when humans fight over land, the winning group gets to choose the rules, this is called human nature.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23506176 - 08/03/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

idk when i think of racism i cringe at the idea of deep south segregation and whatnot.. so European racism, whatever that is, that just doesn't sound as bad to me


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: bass head]
    #23506186 - 08/03/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are you all saying there is good racism or justifiable racism?

I can understand that if someone is fighting a war against another nation that consists of a specific race, there's going to be some jokes or focused attention.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23506188 - 08/03/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

America has black judges, lawyers, doctors, congress people, and president, the racists left here are largely irrelevant and without power. To deny that is ignorant as fuck

As for the indigenous people, they've never had it so good. Free housing, free college, first pick to be employed by any jobs on their land, and you know that "minimum subsistence income" the Europeans have been trying to get going in their countries, the indigenous people have had it here for years


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: bass head]
    #23506189 - 08/03/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Jim Crow had its parallels in the policies of Apartheid in South Africa and, I'm sure, in the treatment of the middle-eastern diaspora (often pigeonholed as Muslim) community living in Europe.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506209 - 08/03/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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America has black judges, lawyers, doctors, congress people, and president, the racists left here are largely irrelevant and without power. To deny that is ignorant as fuck

As for the indigenous people, they've never had it so good. Free housing, free college, first pick to be employed by any jobs on their land, and you know that "minimum subsistence income" the Europeans have been trying to get going in their countries, the indigenous people have had it here for years



Tell that to the kid facing a federal charge for a gram of cannabis.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23506222 - 08/03/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You say that like no white people face ridiculous charges for the same thing


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23506230 - 08/03/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I find the parallels between the forms of racism here and those in South Africa very interesting, often quite telling.

I am very proud of my heritage and I feel lucky to be connected with it in so many different ways-- through my father's descent from pilgrims on the Mayflower and my mother's Dutch and Afrikaner heritage.

But, from my perspective, it's hard to deny that Europeans tend to establish very oppressive and racist social structures wherever they colonize, and when these structures break down, they tend to fuck off back to Europe rather than live with the aftermath of their exploitation. This is the pattern followed in the whole of the African continent, from Cape Town to Algiers.

American Europeans have never flocked back to Europe, and it's because that structure has never been reversed here, in fact it is going strong. The indigenous inhabitants of America are hopelessly disempowered and the white man has free reign to do with the land as he sees fit.




It happens when humans fight over land, the winning group gets to choose the rules, this is called human nature.




I don't think so. When Spanish settlers colonized the Americas, they integrated to some extent with the indigenous community. However the Northern European settlers of the Americas were far more insular and aggressively resisted mixing and assimilation.

The Germanic peoples are raiders at heart... Christianizing the Vikings did nothing to civilize them, it just redirected their pillaging toward "pagans" and "heathens" and funnels their spoils to the Church. I see it as a coup for the Christians, and a mark of shame for my people, that these energies were repurposed to fatten the coffers of the Church instead of glorifying Wotan.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Eminence]
    #23506243 - 08/03/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You say that like no white people face ridiculous charges for the same thing



What's with all the ' white guy can't afford bread' and 'white guy can't get a job' and 'white guy got no power'?

Like White people don't run the western hemisphere?  Even if they don't as in Colombia, they're white educated.

Like a white guy can't get a break or something?  White man so down on his luck?  What the fuck?


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23506276 - 08/03/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did you even think before you typed that? Your response to hostile about minorities having it great in America was mentioning a case in which a non white kid got fucked with a stupid charge for a minor crime. All I said was you're making it sound like that's some kind of consequence of racism when white people have also dealt with that same bullshit and you know it. Now you're putting words in my mouth because you realize how stupid you sounded making that argument


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #23506284 - 08/03/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You put words in peoples mouths all the time on here.  You just don't like your mirror.

Native Americans have been oppressed.  I think their justice system worked just fine before white or Spanish people came.  There were no written rules or written religions.  There were case by case dealings with the bullshit that people do.  Maybe it wasn't perfect but it's not perfect now either.  Can't say it's any better.

I understand that all the Trump supporters are totally butt hurt about the upcoming losing of the election.  Going down like a confederate always does.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23506308 - 08/03/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think I put words in other peoples' mouths here, but you're not denying that you just did though. Their justice system was killing people and they were at war with each other all the time, I would say that it's a lot more chill in the Native American community now actually. Plus, the Native Americans we know of today aren't even native to America, and apparently there were others here before they took over the land. That's just how it went. So to complain about people doing that years ago is pretty stupid, it's only worth complaining about if it's actively happening..like how it is on Europe.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Eminence]
    #23506351 - 08/03/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think I put words in other peoples' mouths here, but you're not denying that you just did though. Their justice system was killing people and they were at war with each other all the time, I would say that it's a lot more chill in the Native American community now actually. Plus, the Native Americans we know of today aren't even native to America, and apparently there were others here before they took over the land. That's just how it went. So to complain about people doing that years ago is pretty stupid, it's only worth complaining about if it's actively happening..like how it is on Europe.



Way over my head or so far out there I have no idea what your saying.

The Native Americans in Ohio were very peaceful.  There were some groups in the south west that were a bit more violent.  But there is a really cool place called Chaco Canyon.  There is evidence of cannibalism but I don't think you would understand the cultural significance.  It was religious to eat the flesh of someone who died.  I believe some still practice this in secret.  These are huge structures that were prayer centers, people with power you seek lived there.  Very power people that knew how to trade with the south.  They just didn't like stupid people wondering around causing trouble.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23507061 - 08/03/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You say that like no white people face ridiculous charges for the same thing




i think drugs are one of the ways that they pick black against white.  the disparity of sentencing or the perceived disparity divides us.  i think it's fair to say that blacks face a higher probability of suspicion from cops but i'm sure whites face the same thing


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: bass head]
    #23507090 - 08/03/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It makes news, and invokes the clutching of pearls across the Internet when whites are targeted with that type of sentencing. But when it happens to blacks, it draws little attention because that is merely the system functioning as intended.


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23507892 - 08/03/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You are a German girl?  So you don't get to vote in the states?




I'm an American girl with a lot of German heritage. How German? I just had sausages for lunch! :cookiemonster:





that's a german euphemism for eating a dick


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23507903 - 08/03/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh. My mistake, I literally ate sausages for lunch. I ate no dicks today, but thanks for showing an interest


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23507919 - 08/03/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do you like fish sticks?


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23507928 - 08/03/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, but I do like dicks


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Re: Trump supporters are hella racist. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23508085 - 08/04/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh. My mistake, I literally ate sausages for lunch. I ate no dicks today, but thanks for showing an interest







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