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How to prep grain jar lids?
    #23501381 - 08/02/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello all. Long time PF tek grower (well about a year) got a PC and am looking to do grains. I've seen some jars that use polyfil, some that use tyvek?

I have a hazmat suit a routinely get in for my PF tek inoculations along with a respirator. The hazmat suit is tyvek brand, and it's the yellow suit. Can I cut this up? I'd prefer not to if I can use polyfil. Anyone have a tek link to making the jars? I also do not have a drill. Have quite a few different sized nails though

Also I've tried searching. All the teks pretty much don't show how to make the actual jars


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter] * 1
    #23501413 - 08/02/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384
That's funny cause this popped up first in the search.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Urmomma]
    #23501425 - 08/02/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I searched "grain jar prep"

Now I've added "grain jar lid prep" and am seeing stuff. Who'd have thought.

I don't have a drill. I have a 7/32 bit I could hammer to make holes.... Damn. Got so excited about buying a PC but looks like I've got a way to go...


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501473 - 08/02/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here's how I do mine with a SFD (synthetic filter disc) and a self healing injection site made with instant extreme temperature gasket. Just as good as RTV silicone.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Psykronik]
    #23501476 - 08/02/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Where does one buy these synthetic filter discs? And that silicone comes from like an auto store right ?


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501493 - 08/02/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When I started out I was pretty religious about using proper SFDs but since then I've found that polyfill works just as well.  SFDS are very expensive and a pain to order. Polyfill is much cheaper and easier to find, though it might not last as long.

Tyvek is shit and a pain to work with. Save your paint suit for painting, or cut the sleeves off and wear them when inoculating for some bonus points against contams.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501497 - 08/02/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

U can get silicone at any DIY store. Makes sure it's heat resistant. Not sure if just silicone sealant stands up to PCing. i had a hard time getting SFDs where I am (UK) Had to get them shipped from states in the end. Tyvek is awful. First time starting grains myself, like a month ago. You will understand if you ever use the stuff.
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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23501499 - 08/02/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A pain to order?

A pain... to order?

http://www.mycopath.com/synthetic-filter-discs-large-mouth-90mm-12-p-91.html

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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23501501 - 08/02/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So you do silicone for injection port and polyfil for gas exchange? That seems easier. Won't the poly get soaked in the PC? Guess it'd dry regardless.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501508 - 08/02/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't even make an injection port if you want to do grains correctly.  The silicone is to adhere a filter disc to the lid.

If you're going to be using a syringe you should just stick with cakes.  I just can't recommend putting spores syringes to grain, especially through a SHIP.  If you had to use one it'd still be better to just open the lid in the SAB, which you should be using anyway.

I guess you can use polyfill as a filter, plenty do, but I wouldn't. :shrug:  It's way too easy to get the materials that are actually made for the job.  I'd sooner fuck with unmodded lids before poly.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501552 - 08/02/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just made one at the same time a was doing my GE holes. Didn't really think about cracking the jar in my SAB  :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Psykronik]
    #23501564 - 08/02/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the last jars i did were with this. Where is says "plastic jars v2". really simple and easy. and it saves SFDs, which I agree are not hard to get at all. nor are they all that expensive, especially when you do the cut outs.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23501581 - 08/02/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The only way to get those are through ordering? Not available at Walmart huh...

Guess I'll try polyfil and a silicone injection port. Man I was so excited about the PC because I can do grains now but you guys are busting my balls lol


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501652 - 08/02/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ordering online is even easier than wal mart.... you don't have to leave the house, just sit in your favorite chair and order it.  :shrug:


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501664 - 08/02/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a RR polyfil lid tek I think I'll go with

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18278624/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501686 - 08/02/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A pain to order?

A pain... to order?

http://www.mycopath.com/synthetic-filter-discs-large-mouth-90mm-12-p-91.html

"Add to Cart"

"Proceed to Checkout"

OMG HALFWAY DONE.  My arms are falling off!  The rot in my foot is setting in.  Oh god have mercy..




They are a pain to sit around and wait for. Especially when dumb ass vendors screw up your order. Not to mention every site I can think of overcharges for shipping.

I'm going to start using ezfelt as my filter choice once I get some money and switch to plastic lids.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23501689 - 08/02/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well I've used tyvek, and EZ felt, and I only use SFDs now.  I wonder what would drive a person to do such a thing... :shrug:

Maybe I just like a filter I can't literally see through.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501708 - 08/02/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Heyyy Walmart has Ez felt lol.

It's ironed down polyfil huh. Seems legit


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    #23501711 - 08/02/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How does that seem legit..?  That seems haphazard as fuck to me.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501716 - 08/02/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This guy appears to know what he's doing.... 13 pages on it.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501734 - 08/02/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I know that's the thread that got me into using EZ felt back when I thought it was a good idea like 4 1/2 years ago.

I get it, you want to go through the same process, everybody's gotta do their thing to learn.  :shrug:  Go on and do it.  But have fun having that constant worry in the back of your mind about "hmm, maybe it's the filters?" when jars start coming up bad.

Not even that long ago, nobody around here could even spot a bacterial jar of grain.  The testimonies of yesteryear are unfortunately not worth shit anymore where that's concerned.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22772593#22772593


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501766 - 08/02/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I got a whole bunch of ez felt in a trade. I'd rather use that than cut up SFDs. Gr0wer runs a small commercial operation over in GGMM and thats all he uses. Theres a video outlining his Tek.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501773 - 08/02/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not trying to be combative in any way man. I'm not opposed to criticism and learning. I personally prefer not to order things, especially not mycology things. Maybe it's just paranoia on my part.

So you have used Ez felt before, and wasn't a fan? Hm.

Also, I see you post a lot, I've seen that you know what the fuck you're doing. I trust your word, I'm just wondering if there's an alternative to ordering the discs.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501774 - 08/02/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I use the tyvek suits cut up over the mouth of the jar and poly fill through a 1/4" hole that serves as both gas exchange and injection port. The polyfill fills the hole the needle leaves in the tyvek (which is likely overkill)


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23501778 - 08/02/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I got a whole bunch of ez felt in a trade. I'd rather use that than cut up SFDs. Gr0wer runs a small commercial operation over in GGMM and thats all he uses. Theres a video outlining his Tek.





Could you find that link man?


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23501801 - 08/02/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes I know that's the thread that got me into using EZ felt back when I thought it was a good idea like 4 1/2 years ago.

I get it, you want to go through the same process, everybody's gotta do their thing to learn.  :shrug:  Go on and do it.  But have fun having that constant worry in the back of your mind about "hmm, maybe it's the filters?" when jars start coming up bad.

Not even that long ago, nobody around here could even spot a bacterial jar of grain.  The testimonies of yesteryear are unfortunately not worth shit anymore where that's concerned.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22772593#22772593





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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501804 - 08/02/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOX1lXWbQFU

Gr0wer knows what he's doing and does fantastic videos and write ups to share with others. I thoroughly believe he will be a TC one day soon...check him out in the GGMM forum.

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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23501829 - 08/02/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOX1lXWbQFU

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good point about the green sharpies too :smirk:





Awesome video thanks. I have a torch, sockets, etc. this is doable for me.

Question, do I inject through the filter? Or simply crack the lid in a SAB and drop abit of spore solution in the jar?


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501834 - 08/02/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those lids are meant to be removed and inoculated via g2g or agar drop.

For spore solution you would lift the lid and squirt in the jar.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Mycologist217]
    #23501844 - 08/02/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

like innocuole said somewhere...

dont bother with SHIPs....just crack the lid and drop in a clean wedge...

if you so have to use spores only use a drop or two. They are filthy things, spores.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Mycologist217]
    #23501848 - 08/02/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those lids are meant to be removed and inoculated via g2g or agar drop.

For spore solution you would lift the lid and squirt in the jar.





How risky is this? I know using MS is already quite risky, but are SAB very effective? I've never used one. I always put a hazmat suit on, and respirator, Drench myself with Lysol and alcohol, shut myself in a closet, and inoculate that way.

I think for grains I will build a still air box.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501849 - 08/02/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Stop doing that. Build a SAB.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23501868 - 08/02/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

First time ever I used MS, but now I will never use MS on grains and only do agar and g2g. Much better to do MS->agar->grains imo.

I just punch a nail a couple times in the lid and cut up tyvek from a tyvek suit I got from Home Depot then when ready I crack the lid and drop in the wedge or do the g2g.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501897 - 08/02/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23501955 - 08/02/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes I know that's the thread that got me into using EZ felt back when I thought it was a good idea like 4 1/2 years ago.

I get it, you want to go through the same process, everybody's gotta do their thing to learn.  :shrug:  Go on and do it.  But have fun having that constant worry in the back of your mind about "hmm, maybe it's the filters?" when jars start coming up bad.

Not even that long ago, nobody around here could even spot a bacterial jar of grain.  The testimonies of yesteryear are unfortunately not worth shit anymore where that's concerned.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22772593#22772593





Would you be opposed to mailing me some discs in a plain evelope? I can send you a money order for whatever you feel like the cost should be.




Pretty opposed, yeah.  That's exactly what the site does when you order discs from them.  I'm not really interested in exchanging names/addresses just so you can get some discs.  It's not like they're going to send you a big box that says "THIS GUY IS GROWING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES" when you order filter discs that could be used for any type of mushroom cultivation.  Hell, my janky ass packaging would probably be sketchier to receive in the mail.

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Those lids are meant to be removed and inoculated via g2g or agar drop.

For spore solution you would lift the lid and squirt in the jar.





How risky is this? I know using MS is already quite risky, but are SAB very effective? I've never used one. I always put a hazmat suit on, and respirator, Drench myself with Lysol and alcohol, shut myself in a closet, and inoculate that way.

I think for grains I will build a still air box.





Yeah all that stuff is bad for you, and wasteful, stop using harsh chemicals, build a SAB and trust in it.


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Yes I know that's the thread that got me into using EZ felt back when I thought it was a good idea like 4 1/2 years ago.

I get it, you want to go through the same process, everybody's gotta do their thing to learn.  :shrug:  Go on and do it.  But have fun having that constant worry in the back of your mind about "hmm, maybe it's the filters?" when jars start coming up bad.

Not even that long ago, nobody around here could even spot a bacterial jar of grain.  The testimonies of yesteryear are unfortunately not worth shit anymore where that's concerned.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22772593#22772593





Would you be opposed to mailing me some discs in a plain evelope? I can send you a money order for whatever you feel like the cost should be.




Pretty opposed, yeah.  That's exactly what the site does when you order discs from them.  I'm not really interested in exchanging names/addresses just so you can get some discs.  It's not like they're going to send you a big box that says "THIS GUY IS GROWING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES" when you order filter discs that could be used for any type of mushroom cultivation.  Hell, my janky ass packaging would probably be sketchier to receive in the mail.

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Those lids are meant to be removed and inoculated via g2g or agar drop.

For spore solution you would lift the lid and squirt in the jar.





How risky is this? I know using MS is already quite risky, but are SAB very effective? I've never used one. I always put a hazmat suit on, and respirator, Drench myself with Lysol and alcohol, shut myself in a closet, and inoculate that way.

I think for grains I will build a still air box.





Yeah all that stuff is bad for you, and wasteful, stop using harsh chemicals, build a SAB and trust in it.




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    #23502236 - 08/02/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fine, sorry for answering. :shrug2:


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    #23502360 - 08/02/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This guy appears to know what he's doing.... 13 pages on it.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446



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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23502475 - 08/02/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They still don't have a proper filter rating.  I have a ton left over from when I used them on my second grow, but I stopped using them by my 4th grow.  A lot of them I can pick up and see straight through them.

Eventually you'll be like "I'm having issues and I don't understand why, maybe it's this craft felt that isn't made for filtering out mold spores whatsoever."  Ruling things out is nice.




I'm just saying.. if you're going to do this, and you're going to use a filter material for your jars, it goes a long way to make sure it has an actual filter rating.  Otherwise why not just leave the lids unmodded?  Plastic one piece unmodded lids work fine.  If you're gonna half ass that far, why not half ass all the way?

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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23502600 - 08/02/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn dude, I'll order some filters that you linked on payday...shit.

I was trying to stay local and not have to make an order, wait, etc... That's all. I'm not against getting the right filters, just wish I didn't have to order them.


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    #23502619 - 08/02/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They're specialty supplies, wal mart yokels don't need filter discs for grain spawn. :shrug:  It's 11.95 for peace of mind, I dunno how broke you are but I'm broke as fuck and that's worth it to me.  I'm not forcing your hand dude, just trying to save you some dicking around.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23502657 - 08/02/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used poly for a year in lids. Only problem was the cat pulled it out once. It works but SFDs are dirt cheap if you cut them up


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    #23502668 - 08/02/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If use roofing flashing for the tops of your jars it won't rust, it's easy to cut, and you can easily make different types of lids for all your jars at a better quality.


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    #23502889 - 08/02/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:picdidnthappen:


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    #23502926 - 08/02/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So for someone who's never done grains... I think I prefer the looks and idea of the plastic jars and lids. I've never used a pressure cooker before, somewhat scared I'm going to accidentally make a exploding thing.... I guess if the glass jars exploded in the PC, it wouldn't be a HUGE deal.. But still. Also my PC is very small. It'll do 2 maybe 3 quart jars at a time. No big deal. I have plenty of time. However, it's barely taller than quart jars, and no rack... Can I put jar lids in the bottom and set them on that? How high does the water need to be, half way up the jars?

I plan on doing Frank's WBS tek I believe. Looks easy enough for a beginner unless someone could point me in a better direction.

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    #23502936 - 08/02/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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. I'm not against getting the right filters, just wish I didn't have to order them.




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    #23502948 - 08/02/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For me it's the fact that I don't even have a card... I have to go buy a green dot card, and I never get any regular mail hardly. Ordering mycology supplies just sketches me out considering what I have going on inside my house. That's the only reason.


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    #23502962 - 08/02/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol....look at how much all of us have going on inside of our houses....lol type in perlite to Amazon and see what else people who buy perlite buy...,Hahahaha....what else people who buy coir bricks buy....nobody on the other end gives a shit what you are doing with their products as long as you're buying them....you being scared to order mail makes it seem like your a kid living in your parent's house...,in which case....don't grow drugs in your parents house


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    #23502971 - 08/02/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, I have a year old son and wife that rely on me to provide, I'd rather not tip anyone off to my bad habits by having bad mail.


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    #23502985 - 08/02/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to order them when I get paid though. Any answers to my questions a few posts up?


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    #23502998 - 08/02/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

some of the sponsors do mail order, send cash or check. get a free money order.


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    #23503005 - 08/02/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If your PC is a small with no rack out a couple soaked cloths in the bottom or a make shift aluminum foil rack....the cloths might get ruined but your jars will be fine!

If you have any questions about bird seed prep...,I'm all over it....I've done hundreds of bird seed jars this year with very little bacteria and zero full on contamination


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23503012 - 08/02/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, you can set them on rings. Bring the water about an inch up the jars.


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    #23503022 - 08/02/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If your PC is a small with no rack out a couple soaked cloths in the bottom or a make shift aluminum foil rack....the cloths might get ruined but your jars will be fine!

If you have any questions about bird seed prep...,I'm all over it....I've done hundreds of bird seed jars this year with very little bacteria and zero full on contamination





All bullshit and bad vibes aside on the filter discs, I'd love to learn how to do grains, and will happily listen and follow instructions.

Can you please link me to the most noob beginner friendly grain tek? As I said before, I've never seen a pressure cooker until I bought one today. So that's where I'm starting. Ground zero.

The few things I do recall are, pick out the sunflower seeds and corn kernels right? (Which strikes me as odd as I've seen some use pure popcorn kernels)

There's quite a few safety features (3 to be exact) on my PC, so I really don't think it'll blow up. But I'm clueless.

Soak, simmer, dry, load jars, PC.

That's the very basics of what I've comprehended thus far on grains.


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    #23503032 - 08/02/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And without further adieu Mycologist217 is back and this time i am doing a side by side grow of PC Penis Envy and PC B+ . I will be inoculating 10 WBS jars with PE spores from a syringe and 10 WBS jars with B+  spores from syringe.

If you are curious about any of this procedure, terminology, or eager to see results or my credentials as an amateur cultivator, I encourage you to check out some of my previously published grow logs.

You can check out my first Penis Envy mono tub ever by clicking HERE. That log is written lab manual style and will provide many answers beginner cultivators have about this procedure.

If you are interested in the PF tek, check out my lab manual style grow log featuring PE MS syringe on PF trek by clicking HERE

Or if you want to see how I got started check out my first ever grow by clicking HERE.

Learning Objectives:
-Demonstrate a novice practical knowledge of WBS jars (preparation, inoculation, colonization, & spawning.
-Demonstrate  a novice practical knowledge of coco coir bulk substrate (inoculation, colonization, and fruiting).
-Successfully prepare, pasteurize, and utilize a casing layer.
-Demonstrate practical knowledge of the technology and science of the Monotub.
-Successfully construct and utilize 2 Monotubs
-Maintain a high rate of contamination free cultivation.
-Observe two strains of the same species grown in separate mono tubs under similar conditions.
-Provide exemplary information on bulk cultivation for new cultivators and curious minds alike.

Materials Needed:
-Pressure cooker
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-MS Syringe containing spores from unnamed species/strain.
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-prepared WBS lid (tyvek filter and polyfill stuff inoculation port)
-prepared wild bird seed (WBS)
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-SAB (still air box)
-sanitizing agents (isopropyl alcohol, bleach spray, paper towels, alcohol lamp)
Please let me know if I missed anything.

Welcome back to another mycologist217 grow log. This time we will be cultivating PC Penis Envy and PC B+ using  Doc34's Wild Bird Seed TEK , and The Ohmatic Monotub TEK along with his coir pasteurization TEK. however, I will be using This coir substrate prep TEK (I will still be using "the bucket TEK" for pasteurization); Franks Simple Coir/Verm TEK for substrate prep, and Franks spawning TEK and Franks casing TEK linked in the log below.

~~DISCLAIMER~~ This grow log is written in real time and I want to go ahead and say the syringes I am using are more than 6 months old. While if they are dirty which is very likely, I will be acquiring new ones and will be seeing this grow to fruition no matter what, but it should be noted we are starting with old spores.

I've begun the grow by starting the soaking of my WBS, and constructing my jar lids. More updates coming after inoculations.





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    #23503069 - 08/02/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23504188 - 08/03/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As i can see both of your points. Let the young man have his polyfill. I would start out with double layer tyveck. Then move into sfd when he gets the money and drive to do it.rtv red high temp only last me three to four runs through pc. Why waste thirty cents ever few runs while starting out.


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    #23504680 - 08/03/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you're obviously doing something wrong then, rtv or regular silicone both holds up to PC temps..


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    #23504720 - 08/03/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

did no one else think it was funny, imagining OP getting all in his hazmat gear, dousing himself in ISO and lysol, and then proceeding to go into the closet to do open air inoc's, etc? haha was pretty hilarious to me. all that preparation, and then you open air it.

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    #23504798 - 08/03/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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did no one else think it was funny, imagining OP getting all in his hazmat gear, dousing himself in ISO and lysol, and then proceeding to go into the closet to do open air inoc's, etc? haha was pretty hilarious to me. all that preparation, and then you open air it.

make the SAB, cheap and yes, very effective.




I thought it'd be alright considering it's basically a Lysol bath inside the closet. Figured anything in the air would be dead.

Kind of silly to think I guess.

I also found it tough to believe a box with two holes was gonna stop any mold vs what I was already doing. Live and learn.


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    #23504810 - 08/03/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yup :rockon:


before i got into mycology, and reading lots on here, i used to think lysol and the like was good enough, as well. But then you learn that even just a few microscopic bacteria or mold spores can all but ruin your work.

the beauty of the SAB(along with good sterile technique) is that it make the air in the box still. it doesnt kill any off the bad stuff, but just makes it to where it cant get in your stuff and fuck it up!


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    #23504853 - 08/03/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lysol in a surface disinfectant, not an "air sterilizer" :super:
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    #23504863 - 08/03/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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lysol in a surface disinfectant, not an "air sterilizer" :super:
lysol, oust, etc has no place in sterile tech.





Damn. Logical science. I honestly had no clue until you said that, but you are in fact correct.

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    #23504874 - 08/03/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

or when you see people spraying the air with lysol, and then also like ISO and bleach water mixes.. science!


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    #23504881 - 08/03/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if you're ballsy enough to mix bleach with anything you either got your science down or you really dunno what you're doing!


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    #23504896 - 08/03/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i like to mix bleach and ammonia and spray my entire house with it, including my body, before all SAB work.

:trollhide:


EDIT - just realized bleach and iso makes chloroform. i knew it wasnt a good idea, but i didnt know it made that.. i swear ive seen someone say this is what they did, though, to clean their SAB or something before using it. might be wrong, though.

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    #23504899 - 08/03/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that's a good way of killing unwanted organisms, yeah :lol:


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    #23505182 - 08/03/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that's a good way of killing unwanted organisms, yeah :lol:




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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23505232 - 08/03/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:derfase:

bleach loves to react with other substances, cleaning products in particular. DO NOT MIX!
mustard gas,chlorine gas,chloroform all great inhalants while doing SAB work :cookiemonster:


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23505246 - 08/03/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

If you use RTV silcone to make a self healing injection port it will fall off quite easily if you didn't sand down/scratch up the lid before hand. The surface of the lid needs to be roughed up to cause it to adhere properly.


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23506201 - 08/03/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I'm going to get supplies this evening. Very excited. Nervous, but the teks that you linked PB are VERY straight forward. Thanks again. I've seen you guys say pennigtons is a good brand to get. Is that still the general consensus? Walmart reviews say good mix of seed and corn... I don't want corn. Are there any brands without corn and sunflower seeds?


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23506357 - 08/03/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i bought a bag of Pennington at Walmart that doesnt have corn. it does have sunflower seeds. some people pick those out, but ive seen people leave them, as well.

This bag didnt have all that many Sunflower seeds in them, either, though:





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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23506392 - 08/03/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm so stoned I thought I was supposed to be reading something on the bag, re-read it like 5 times before I minimized the picture and looked back at your post to realize it was about the sunflower seeds.

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    #23506398 - 08/03/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23506435 - 08/03/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder what "incidental damage from this product" entails..


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Re: How to prep grain jars? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23507539 - 08/03/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My local Walmart is quite small and doesn't have what all others have... I got a 3lb bag of wild harvest brand universal blend for small birds. Ingredients for the most part are, in order, white Millet, red Millet, oat groats, rapeseed (yes, rapeseed) canary grass seed, flaxseed, Fench millet, Niger, orange oil, ground corn, wheat middlings, feeding oatmeal, and corn gluten meal.

That's all the "foods"

Also, doesn't look like 3lbs is gonna do shit.

Couldn't find plastic jars, so bought a pack of ball glass quart jars...


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