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OfflineDhaulagiri87
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Growkit troubleshooting
    #23501085 - 08/02/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello everyone,
this is my first post here so please bear with me.

Several weeks ago i purchased an Inner Visions mushroom growkit and followed the instructions that came with it.
However, after inoculating the spores inside the bag containing the rye substrate, the colonization process took a good 50% more than expected (6 weeks instead of 4). At that point I introduced the substrate along with the layers of vermiculite inside the final growbag and then soaked it after a week for 12 hours and drained it.
Now, it's been over two weeks and there's no sign of fruit formation.
Temperature has been quite consistently between 78-84F (apart from two days, over two weeks ago, when temperatures were around 68F).

The surface looks quite damp, as if there was a watery layer with large white areas that could be mycelium or mold, for all i know.

Any ideas on why things are looking stale or whether this is normal?



Thanks.


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    #23501265 - 08/02/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23501275 - 08/02/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That is definitely mycelium.  Have you been giving it fresh air?  It will need FAEs several times a day to fruit.  Also your fruiting temp should be in low 70s.


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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Mushierage]
    #23501285 - 08/02/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You look quite wet. That should be in a proper FC, not a bag.

You could possibly build a mono, around the same size tub as that tray and fruit it inside there. Small SGFC would work too.

Use the search function and look for Trusted Cultivators, posting recently about how to construct these FCs.

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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Mushierage]
    #23501296 - 08/02/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for your replies.
Up until yesterday i wasn't airing it because there's an "air filter" on the bag. I assumed that would be enough since the instructions don't mention airing the growbox+bag in any way.
Today I opened the bag to let some fresh air in but, being a noob, I'm unsure if that's all is needed.


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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501300 - 08/02/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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TheChief said:
You look quite wet. That should be in a proper FC, not a bag.

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I colonized a bag a few weeks ago like you, in a mycobag, and soaked for 16 hours.  However after i fruited as a bulk block in an SGFC.  Take a look.



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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501305 - 08/02/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry folks, I'm not familiar with these acronyms :smile:
What do SFGC, FC and FAE stand for?


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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501309 - 08/02/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They need a lot of fresh air for fruits, but high humidity at the same time. This is hard to achive in a bag.

We have many materials at our disposal to build more suitable fruiting environments, quite easily. All it takes is a little reading on the forums here to see how other people had success, understanding the organism is important too. All the information is buried in these forums, you just have to take the time and look/read.

FC= fruiting chamber
FAE = fresh air exchange
SGFC = shotgun fruiting chamber
Mono tub = this is just a name for a tub with holes, poly plugs the holes to create high humidity and fresh air.

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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501314 - 08/02/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dhaulagiri87 said:
Thanks for your replies.
Up until yesterday i wasn't airing it because there's an "air filter" on the bag. I assumed that would be enough since the instructions don't mention airing the growbox+bag in any way.
Today I opened the bag to let some fresh air in but, being a noob, I'm unsure if that's all is needed.




Yes.  That filter patch is for gas exchange only.  It needs fanned vigorously  3 or so times a day, and misted when it looks dry.  You should fruit in a to spec SGFC IMO but it can be done in the bag as long as you give it LOTS of fresh air.
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Dhaulagiri87 said:
Sorry folks, I'm not familiar with these acronyms :smile:
What do SFGC, FC and FAE stand for?




Shotgun Fruiting Chamber and Fresh Air Exchange


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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501320 - 08/02/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks again, enlightning!
I'll make sure I do some research and reading on the forums.
Meanwhile you reckon it's ok to keep it where it is with additional ventilation and spraying (if need be)?


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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501329 - 08/02/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks again, enlightning!
I'll make sure I do some research and reading on the forums.
Meanwhile you reckon it's ok to keep it where it is with additional ventilation and spraying (if need be)?





Youll need to vent the air a LOT more often.  It can be done but if you want true success use a monotub or SGFC.  The choice is yours.


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Re: Growkit troubleshooting [Re: Dhaulagiri87]
    #23501337 - 08/02/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't spray that anymore, for now. It is too wet.

Keep the bag open for most of the day. Close it up mostly during the night, but not completely; maybe just fold the bag over a bit. The reason for this is you can watch it during the day, to make sure it doesn't dry out, mist if you see that it does look dry. At night time you are sleeping and can't monitor it, so it is best to keep it mostly closed. They also like to alternate from higher humidity at night to not so high during the day, it promotes heathy/plentiful fruit formation.

If you don't feel comfortable keeping it completely open (maybe air is too dry where you live, or you are just unsure in general :shrug:), then just tear some nice size holes in the bag. Pins should start forming once you give them more air, you just don't want the tray to dry out from too much. It look to be healthy right now, definetely should push out some fruits.

The reason the top is all white (not verm casing like you usually see with kits like this), is because the myc is starving for air, they think there still colonizing, underground. They are pushing up through the verm casing looking for more food or air. In the wild, they would have found fresh air at the surface by now.

Eventually, cubes sometimes fruit if you leave them long enough without air/food, but this is a last resort to get spores out. Fruit bodies from no FAE environments will be either highly deformed, or not completely formed and stall out early. Contamination is also a higher risk in wet, stagnant air environments.

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