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First Timer! Critique this noob's setup.
    #23500814 - 08/02/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I just transferred my cakes into a SGFC after dunking for 24 hours and then rolling.  This was doen a week after full colonization.

They are now resting under a 6500k 100w equivalent CFL bulb on a 12/12 timer.  The RH has climbed to 99% since taking these photos.






Just in case the pics don't work, here's a link to them: first grow


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23500823 - 08/02/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looks perfect to me.  :yougoodjob:


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: mindbentempire]
    #23500845 - 08/02/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, that's one hell of a first post! Cannot wait to see what those cakes have in store for ya!!

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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23500881 - 08/02/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yup looks like you did real nice gona be a successful noob right there. I see you fell for the old digi hygometer in a box trick not  necessary and wont work eventually. But nice man your on your way for sure.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23500890 - 08/02/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that digi will be trash in a day or two.  Had one just like it.  But your setup looks perfect.  Mist and fan 2-3 times daily and you will have pins within a week.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: Mushierage]
    #23500948 - 08/02/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the feedback, guys!  Sounds like I wasted $8 :crazy2:

Can anyone recommend a nice, cheap analog thermometer/hygrometer?

Probably just gonna snag this bad boy.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23501003 - 08/02/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did some checking on RR's posts about hygrometers; analog or digital hygrometers can both suck, the cheap ones usually crap out over ~75% humidity, if buying analog it's better to go with human hair over synthetic hair. RR also mentioned the quality has declined so much over the last few years (this post was from ~5 years ago), he stopped using them altogether.

RR mentioning declining quality, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13846612#13846612

RR recommending Fischer human hair analog hygrometer, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17080422

Link to Fischer human hair hygrometer, per RR's recommendation, https://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Weather-118-01-Instruments-Thermometer/dp/B00NETMJ12/

Here is some advice from before he stopped using them, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6853176#6853176

Hope this helps!


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23501046 - 08/02/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Super helpful, thanks very much!


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23501067 - 08/02/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hydrometer will do nothing but confuse you. You want fluctuations. You don't want constant 99% humidity. We look to the mushrooms to show us what conditions they lack, not measurement devices.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23501304 - 08/02/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea analog is no better.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23540155 - 08/14/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Digi died so I ended up getting a lab grade analog from a friend that works in the field.  Nonetheless, things are happening!



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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540193 - 08/14/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Love the part where you ignore everybody about the hygrometer
Your mushrooms will tell you more than it ever will, and if you learn to listen to them you'll be better than somebody who relies on technology


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540801 - 08/14/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're right I should have turned down the free lab grade hygrometer.  It's also a given that because I use measuring equipment I also outright ignore any signals shown to me by the fruits themselves.

Seriously tho, the shit isn't so black and white.  People want to polarize their opinions on seemingly everything.  My stance is, why not use both?


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540813 - 08/14/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Try not to think and just listen if you're asking for advice on a basic set up.

Your set up lacks monotubs, could use some :sherlock:

I bet you have poured agar plates ready to take clones :smile:


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: filthyknees]
    #23540822 - 08/14/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As far as I can tell this advice was: "swear off measuring equipment and listen to your shrooms even tho it's your first time and you have zero experience and wouldn't know what to look for even if you wanted to."

Did I miss something?


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540839 - 08/14/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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why not use both?




because the hygrometer is pointless. its not going to tell you anything useful, at all.

your attitude is pretty poor. take a second to remember that some of the people giving you advice have extensive experience. we aren't throwing pie in the sky ideas at you. this shit is standard practice. hygrometers are pointless.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23540846 - 08/14/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So a couple of vets talk condescendingly to a noob and I'm the one with a poor attitude. :rolleyes:  Take a look at the thread progression and take note of when my attitude changed.

Everyone has to be right, I guess.  I'll just keep sticking with the tried and true advice of the experts.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540854 - 08/14/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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So a couple of vets talk condescendingly to a noob and I'm the one with a poor attitude. :rolleyes:  Take a look at the thread progression and take note of when my attitude changed.

Everyone has to be right, I guess.  I'll just keep sticking with the tried and true advice of the experts.



nobody is talking condescendingly. I've read every post in this thread. me thinks you need to learn how to accept constructive criticism. you're the noob, yet you know better than the people you are asking advice from. seems... like an exercise in futility. you asked for advice, we gave it to you, you ignored it, we pointed that out, now you are giving us this shitty attitude. grow up, man. we aren't getting paid to help you, ya know.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540859 - 08/14/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We may be rough around the edges but only because how many failures we've all had.

Everyone is sincerely trying to help you.

You saying ` i got a new hygrometer` ` it was free, come on'

Were saying more like, our advice is free, and more valuable than a trinket from china.

Youve already got pins so :rockon: many of us are past the point of initial one time success and know that consistancy doesnt come from having the right item but knowledge
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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540863 - 08/14/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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As far as I can tell this advice was: "swear off measuring equipment and listen to your shrooms even tho it's your first time and you have zero experience and wouldn't know what to look for even if you wanted to."

Did I miss something?




What you missed is that despite you not knowing what to look for, your hygrometer doesn't know what to look for either. So using one gets you no further ahead because you don't know what you need.

Fact is that it almost doesn't even matter what the humidity in the chamber is. What matters is the microclimate created about a millimeter or two directly above the surface of the substrate. Your hygrometer cannot even read that. So we all rely on our eyes to see if things are good or not.

Some people have fruited in open air with killer results. Just a tray on a table. Mist when needed. The chamber is only to allow you to be able to not have to babysit them constantly.

What do you think you would have done if your hygrometer suddenly read 50% RH?


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540873 - 08/14/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'll definitely listen to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, that's why I'm here at all.  I can also discern when advice doesn't really suit my experience level.  Every PF Tek I read mentioned keeping humidity within a certain range.  The only reason I'm getting perfect results my first time around is because I follow instructions.

Asking me to throw instructions from the experts out the window is foolish.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23540878 - 08/14/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My next grow I'm going to put a clock in the tub that tells me what time it is in China.

Honestly I hate that RH of the chamber was ever mentioned as something to be worried about, you end up with noobs suffocating their mushrooms by taping up holes or not even having any, over misting ect. Surface conditions is what matters and it cannot be measured, the worst thing that could happen with low chamber RH is having to mist more often or cracked caps.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23540881 - 08/14/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would really love it if someone could please go into more detail about what to look for specifically.

What you're saying makes sense but I'm just reading vague allusions to these signs, rather than a description of what they actually are.

Thanks.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540885 - 08/14/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Every PF Tek I read mentioned keeping humidity within a certain range.  The only reason I'm getting perfect results my first time around is because I follow instructions.

Asking me to throw instructions from the experts out the window is foolish.




Yes and most of those are 30 years old and need an update. Any newer tek that instructs you to use a SGFC will not say anything about using a hygrometer.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23540895 - 08/14/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You want the surface to glisten after you finish misting. Once all the water is gone you mist again until it glistens. Tiny beads of water. Usually will be 2 to 3 times a day to maintain.

If the surface is dry it often turns blue from bruising. Pins and fruits that are too dry will get light in color and look cracked.


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    #23540913 - 08/14/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:Look at the cakes to see if they are covered with very fine beads of moisture, a flashlight or lamp helps. If not mist until glistening, repeat when they have evaporated. Evaporation off the surface is the major pinning trigger and provides RH at the microclimate. Fruiting chambers are for our benefit so we don't have to mist as often. When built properly the RH in a sgfc will fluctuate allowing room for evaporation, trust in the proven design and mist as needed.


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Re: First Timer! Critique this noob's setup. [Re: buttburp]
    #23540950 - 08/14/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the clarification.  I have been doing just that so I guess I picked it up somewhere around here.


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