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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501945 - 08/02/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: That's just dumb. We actually have a fairly well balanced situation, where the need for labor matches up fairly well with the illegal immigrants to labor force. When the economy is not doing well, more illegals leave than come in and visa versa. In a way it is self regulating and the number of illegals doesn't really vary much over time. Yes, their illegal status means they may drive down wages, but that isn't a reason to kick them out. That is a reason to give them legal status. Fundamentally, they are an important part of the US economy.
"means they may drive down wages"
Wages for lower and medium skilled workers have remained stagnate for the past 15 years, yet you don't care.
"but that isn't a reason to kick them out"
Of course not, why have employers pay US citizens a higher wage when they can flood the labors markets anytime they want, and guess who pays for the free social services for illegals and their children- US citizens!
You have a warped view on trying to help the US lower and middle classes, more people competing for less jobs means higher unemployment, lower wages, higher taxes and a lower standard of living, yet liberals like yourself think you're helping people.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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Thayendanegea said: lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
QE is not free money. The government buys assets that have value. That's clearly not free money.
Really, buying a mortgage bond worth .50 cents on the dollar and paying $1 is "not free money" for the bank? You don't really understand what took place, do you? Where did the money come from? Out of nothing, it was printed!!
Whatever they did, it worked pretty well. The US has come out of the 2008 recession better off than the rest of the world,
Yeah, because all those repaired bank balance sheets enabled them to extend credit into the general economy, oh wait, the banks never did that, they instead extended their credit into Wall Street and the financial markets, thanks Obama!
The Dodd Frank legislation has helped hundreds of thousands in the "general economy" It is the conservatives in congress that keep trying to chip away this reform mostly because the banks lobbyists far outnumber anyone that is there to fight them and because they put so much money into the midterm elections (almost exclusively) republicans that they could pretty much buy their agenda.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/07/21/3682696/dodd-frank-five-years-2/
The Obama administration has been trying to undo the crap that Dubbya and company put this country into and is met mostly with resistance from the right...precisely why Congress has such wonderful approval ratings.
But, oh..yeah the great Donald Trump will wisk away this calamity with one stroke of his Miss Universe wand.
Like I said before, I don't know why I allow myself to get caught up in this shit...Trump will be gone come November.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Thayendanegea]
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It's code for "make America white and Christian again"
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
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Sophistic Radiance said: It's code for "make America white and Christian again"
The only thing Christian about Trump is that he's a usurer.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23501984 - 08/02/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
QE is not free money. The government buys assets that have value. That's clearly not free money.
Really, buying a mortgage bond worth .50 cents on the dollar and paying $1 is "not free money" for the bank? You don't really understand what took place, do you? Where did the money come from? Out of nothing, it was printed!!
Whatever they did, it worked pretty well. The US has come out of the 2008 recession better off than the rest of the world,
Yeah, because all those repaired bank balance sheets enabled them to extend credit into the general economy, oh wait, the banks never did that, they instead extended their credit into Wall Street and the financial markets, thanks Obama!
The Dodd Frank legislation has helped hundreds of thousands in the "general economy" It is the conservatives in congress that keep trying to chip away this reform mostly because the banks lobbyists far outnumber anyone that is there to fight them and because they put so much money into the midterm elections (almost exclusively) republicans that they could pretty much buy their agenda.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/07/21/3682696/dodd-frank-five-years-2/
The Obama administration has been trying to undo the crap that Dubbya and company put this country into and is met mostly with resistance from the right...precisely why Congress has such wonderful approval ratings.
But, oh..yeah the great Donald Trump will wisk away this calamity with one stroke of his Miss Universe wand.
Like I said before, I don't know why I allow myself to get caught up in this shit...Trump will be gone come November.
Did you forget who put Obama into office in 2008? The Wall Street bankers, this isn't a R vs D thing, the banking lobbyist's own BOTH parties.
Credit has NOT been extended into the general economy, sorry to bust your economic bubble.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23501987 - 08/02/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: It's code for "make America white and Christian again"
What do you think made America great in the first place?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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world war 2 and every other industrial nation being pulverized by bombs.
from there the standard imperialism and the strip mining of all resources, natural and human alike. as well as false nationality.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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ReposadoXochipilli said: world war 2 and every other industrial nation being pulverized by bombs.
from there the standard imperialism and the strip mining of all resources, natural and human alike. as well as false nationality.
So winning WW 2 was pure luck. Why are you so bitter?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23502036 - 08/02/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: It's code for "make America white and Christian again"
What do you think made America great in the first place?
Um... well, I would say it has mostly to do with the climate. It has a really nice, temperate climate, especially where I live.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said: It's code for "make America white and Christian again"
What do you think made America great in the first place?
Um... well, I would say it has mostly to do with the climate. It has a really nice, temperate climate, especially where I live.
I agree that the geography in the US plays a large role, but it also has to be noted that this country was founded by Northern Europeans.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23502052 - 08/02/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am one of those Northern Europeans. Yo.
Shit's racist. We didn't make this country just for ourselves. We made it for everybody, and some of you have been really dragging your heels about it.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23502132 - 08/02/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ReposadoXochipilli said: world war 2 and every other industrial nation being pulverized by bombs.
from there the standard imperialism and the strip mining of all resources, natural and human alike. as well as false nationality.
So winning WW 2 was pure luck. Why are you so bitter?
well having an ocean between us and both enemies certainly helped, and thank you for putting those words in my mouth. you asked, i responded. seeing how the world works doesn't make me bitter, it just makes me sad.
if you can't see the correlation between post world ww2 and american dominance i am not surprised, just because you bury your head in the sand doesn't make reality go away, just your vision of it.
this country wasn't founded by europeans, it was captured through actual physical and cultural genocide.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Brian Jones]
#23502135 - 08/02/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: He's going to lose big
the fix is already in, the DNC emails proved that they've rigged the election and the rate at which bernie sanders and his supporters sold out to the big money of wallstreet, everyone knows Hitlery has it in the bag.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said: I am one of those Northern Europeans. Yo.
Shit's racist. We didn't make this country just for ourselves. We made it for everybody, and some of you have been really dragging your heels about it.
"Shit's racist"
Historical facts aren't racist. 
"We made it for everybody"
Total nonsense, that's liberal pie in the sky.
"some of you have been really dragging your heels about it"
No, it's called having secured borders and maintaining national sovereignty.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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puts them in the same category of illegals not paying taxes on their income
A lot of illegals use fake tax ID numbers. Their income taxes are withheld, and payroll taxes are paid as well.
and refunds are issued as is welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/2/irs-defends-refunds-illegals-never-filed-taxes/
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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ReposadoXochipilli said: world war 2 and every other industrial nation being pulverized by bombs.
from there the standard imperialism and the strip mining of all resources, natural and human alike. as well as false nationality.
So winning WW 2 was pure luck. Why are you so bitter?
well having an ocean between us and both enemies certainly helped, and thank you for putting those words in my mouth. you asked, i responded. seeing how the world works doesn't make me bitter, it just makes me sad.
if you can't see the correlation between post world ww2 and american dominance i am not surprised, just because you bury your head in the sand doesn't make reality go away, just your vision of it.
this country wasn't founded by europeans, it was captured through actual physical and cultural genocide.
The United States of America was founded by Europeans, you can't change history to fit your liberal ideology. Every piece of earth was fought for at one time or another, it's called human nature.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23502163 - 08/02/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: I am one of those Northern Europeans. Yo.
Shit's racist. We didn't make this country just for ourselves. We made it for everybody, and some of you have been really dragging your heels about it.
"Shit's racist"
Historical facts aren't racist. 
"We made it for everybody"
Total nonsense, that's liberal pie in the sky.
"some of you have been really dragging your heels about it"
No, it's called having secured borders and maintaining national sovereignty.
HOW DARE YOU LECTURE A NORTHERN EUROPEAN, DESCENDED FROM THE ARCHITECTS OF THIS GREAT NATION, ON HOW IT WAS DONE?!
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: demiu5]
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qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
The reason American citizens work for $2.13/hour is because they live off TIPS. If they were to only make $2.13 an hour everybody would stop working, because after taxes are taken out they would pretty much end up with between $0-$20 for an entire week's work. Nobody is going to work for free or for only $20 for a week, what are you talking about?
And qman, are you really suggesting that Americans work for those kind of wages? Do you want to make this country like Saudi Arabia or something? You are going to lower the standard of living and make the ghetto conditions 100x worse by doing this.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said: I am one of those Northern Europeans. Yo.
Shit's racist. We didn't make this country just for ourselves. We made it for everybody, and some of you have been really dragging your heels about it.
"Shit's racist"
Historical facts aren't racist. 
"We made it for everybody"
Total nonsense, that's liberal pie in the sky.
"some of you have been really dragging your heels about it"
No, it's called having secured borders and maintaining national sovereignty.
HOW DARE YOU LECTURE A NORTHERN EUROPEAN, DESCENDED FROM THE ARCHITECTS OF THIS GREAT NATION, ON HOW IT WAS DONE?!

Your German ancestors must be turning in their graves, why you hate a great culture and people that you come from is beyond me, your parents must be so proud.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Crystal G]
#23502206 - 08/02/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
The reason American citizens work for $2.13/hour is because they live off TIPS. If they were to only make $2.13 an hour everybody would stop working, because after taxes are taken out they would pretty much end up with between $0-$20 for an entire week's work. Nobody is going to work for free or for only $20 for a week, what are you talking about?
And qman, are you really suggesting that Americans work for those kind of wages? Do you want to make this country like Saudi Arabia or something? You are going to lower the standard of living and make the ghetto conditions 100x worse by doing this.
What are you talking about, I want to boot illegals out so wages will move higher for US citizens, did you read anything I posted.
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