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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501490 - 08/02/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The e-verify that is already in place doesn't even work.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501491 - 08/02/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Literally this his plan for cracking down on illegal employment: "Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans."
How exactly does this prevent employers from hiring illegals? They simply won't e verify. The amount of enforcement required to make this work is insane.
Somehow Canada does it, maybe we could ask them how it's done
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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i cant imagine farmers using e verify
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23501498 - 08/02/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What does work is an FBI background check. It is the only thing I've ever seen spot an illegal with a fake SS # and driver's license.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501504 - 08/02/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
Come on now, we know plenty of servers in the restaurant industry that make good money, many stay on the job for decades. I'm sure they report every cash tip to the IRS. .
I sure wouldn't, I always pay in cash at restaraunts for this very reason, so they don't have to report it, fuck the IRS, fuck the government and their greedy overtaxing worthless selves
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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koods said: Literally this his plan for cracking down on illegal employment: "Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans."
How exactly does this prevent employers from hiring illegals? They simply won't e verify. The amount of enforcement required to make this work is insane.
Somehow Canada does it, maybe we could ask them how it's done 
I was an undocumented worker in Canada, so they aren't that great either.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501517 - 08/02/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Literally this his plan for cracking down on illegal employment: "Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans."
How exactly does this prevent employers from hiring illegals? They simply won't e verify. The amount of enforcement required to make this work is insane.
Somehow Canada does it, maybe we could ask them how it's done 
I was an undocumented worker in Canada, so they aren't that great either.
You should research Canadian illegals compared to American illegal problems, it's night and day, they are doing something right...
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501521 - 08/02/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You were certainly a thief and a rapist too then.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23501525 - 08/02/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: You should research Canadian illegals compared to American illegal problems, it's night and day, they are doing something right...
They are bordering a country with a higher valued currency and actual job opportunities, lessening the desire to immigrate en mass. Pretty simple to break that one down actually.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501533 - 08/02/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm, I don't hear you bitching about "too big to fail" banks, your boy Obama and his Fed Chief did close to $4 trillion of "free" money to the banks, where's the outrage?
lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
QE is not free money. The government buys assets that have value. That's clearly not free money.
Really, buying a mortgage bond worth .50 cents on the dollar and paying $1 is "not free money" for the bank? You don't really understand what took place, do you? Where did the money come from? Out of nothing, it was printed!!
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23501539 - 08/02/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They are bordering a country with a higher valued currency and actual job opportunities, lessening the desire to immigrate en mass. Pretty simple to break that one down actually.
Canada has much higher wages, and free healthcare, I'm not seeing the benefit in being in America when Canada is so much better at pretty much everything,
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23501545 - 08/02/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Literally this his plan for cracking down on illegal employment: "Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans."
How exactly does this prevent employers from hiring illegals? They simply won't e verify. The amount of enforcement required to make this work is insane.
Somehow Canada does it, maybe we could ask them how it's done 
I was an undocumented worker in Canada, so they aren't that great either.
You should research Canadian illegals compared to American illegal problems, it's night and day, they are doing something right...
Yeah, they have twice the number of legal immigrants per capita than the US, so that makes a big difference. They also have legitimate and functional agricultural guest worker programs.
They also don't border Mexico. That helps a lot more.
What's ironic is the US has a robust guest worker program for high paying type jobs, but almost nothing at the other end of the spectrum. We literally let foreigners take white dollar jobs that Americans could take (If we had a better educated population) but we act like the people at the bottom of the economic ladder, who are taking the worst jobs, are destroying America.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
Come on now, we know plenty of servers in the restaurant industry that make good money, many stay on the job for decades. I'm sure they report every cash tip to the IRS. .
I sure wouldn't, I always pay in cash at restaraunts for this very reason, so they don't have to report it, fuck the IRS, fuck the government and their greedy overtaxing worthless selves
i'm not going to disagree with your last statement.
however, one can't complain about illegals being a tax-drain and then have no problem with their server not paying taxes
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501557 - 08/02/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
QE is not free money. The government buys assets that have value. That's clearly not free money.
Really, buying a mortgage bond worth .50 cents on the dollar and paying $1 is "not free money" for the bank? You don't really understand what took place, do you? Where did the money come from? Out of nothing, it was printed!!
Whatever they did, it worked pretty well. The US has come out of the 2008 recession better off than the rest of the world,
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Conservative always love talking about the value of hard work, yet they want to excise from the economy literally the hardest working, most motivated segment of the labor market. We shouldn't be kicking them out. We should be offering them legal means to stay.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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Thayendanegea said: lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
QE is not free money. The government buys assets that have value. That's clearly not free money.
Really, buying a mortgage bond worth .50 cents on the dollar and paying $1 is "not free money" for the bank? You don't really understand what took place, do you? Where did the money come from? Out of nothing, it was printed!!
Whatever they did, it worked pretty well. The US has come out of the 2008 recession better off than the rest of the world,
Yeah, because all those repaired bank balance sheets enabled them to extend credit into the general economy, oh wait, the banks never did that, they instead extended their credit into Wall Street and the financial markets, thanks Obama!
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501603 - 08/02/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Conservative always love talking about the value of hard work, yet they want to excise from the economy literally the hardest working, most motivated segment of the labor market. We shouldn't be kicking them out. We should be offering them legal means to stay.
Sure, maybe we should import 100 million Africans and Muslims, and live in an economic utopia, sounds like a good plan right?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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That's just dumb. We actually have a fairly well balanced situation, where the need for labor matches up fairly well with the illegal immigrants to labor force. When the economy is not doing well, more illegals leave than come in and visa versa. In a way it is self regulating and the number of illegals doesn't really vary much over time. Yes, their illegal status means they may drive down wages, but that isn't a reason to kick them out. That is a reason to give them legal status. Fundamentally, they are an important part of the US economy.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501790 - 08/02/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i never claim cash, you would be stupid to. it sucks when it comes to loans ect but it more then evens out not having them leech it, the concept of taxes on a service gratuity is just stupid in general it is an intangible service.
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