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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23501317 - 08/02/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Sorry if this is a stupid question but I've always wondered, since there is so many illegals doing a lot of the agriculture (and I'm assuming they get paid less then legal Americans but could be wrong), would the price of food go up noticeably because by law they'd have to pay Americans at the very least minimum wage and probably need more insurance to cover those employees in case of injuries now that they would have legal employees?
Or maybe the price of the food stays the same and the profit margins for big agriculture go down, you do realize liberals like Koods are big supporters of crony capitalism?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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Yeah, all of our tens of millions of unemployed US citizens could never fill the void. Illegals work for cheap, they're replaceable.
You keep insisting this, yet all the evidence and past experiences with this demonstrate it won't happen the way you think it will. This is the insanity of you guys. You keep trying the same failed ideas, expecting a different outcome.
And we do not have tens of millions of people available anyways. As we have previously discussed, there are about 40 million people between the ages of 18 and 64 who are not working. Millions of those are students getting college degrees. Millions more are raising young children. Probably 1/3 of them are not physically capable of doing the kind of manual labor illegals were providing.
A lot of people will not be able to essentially become migrants, moving from town to town as the harvests come and go. Finally, a lot of people simply won't do that kind of work. They are lazy. You can whine all you want about this segment of the population, but there will always be people who underperform and will not be motivated to do hard work.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman] 1
#23501351 - 08/02/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Sorry if this is a stupid question but I've always wondered, since there is so many illegals doing a lot of the agriculture (and I'm assuming they get paid less then legal Americans but could be wrong), would the price of food go up noticeably because by law they'd have to pay Americans at the very least minimum wage and probably need more insurance to cover those employees in case of injuries now that they would have legal employees?
Or maybe the price of the food stays the same and the profit margins for big agriculture go down, you do realize liberals like Koods are big supporters of crony capitalism?
God damn you are naive. Unbelievable.
Sure, liberals are really keen on propping up big business. That's what we're known for. Democrats the party of big business. Everyone knows that. God damn, you are also delusional.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501366 - 08/02/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Sorry if this is a stupid question but I've always wondered, since there is so many illegals doing a lot of the agriculture (and I'm assuming they get paid less then legal Americans but could be wrong), would the price of food go up noticeably because by law they'd have to pay Americans at the very least minimum wage and probably need more insurance to cover those employees in case of injuries now that they would have legal employees?
Or maybe the price of the food stays the same and the profit margins for big agriculture go down, you do realize liberals like Koods are big supporters of crony capitalism?
God damn you are naive. Unbelievable,
So you believe higher wages automatically mean higher prices that can be passed on to the consumer as profit margins always remain the same? If business were only so easy, it must be nice to live in economic liberal land.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501374 - 08/02/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Sorry if this is a stupid question but I've always wondered, since there is so many illegals doing a lot of the agriculture (and I'm assuming they get paid less then legal Americans but could be wrong), would the price of food go up noticeably because by law they'd have to pay Americans at the very least minimum wage and probably need more insurance to cover those employees in case of injuries now that they would have legal employees?
Or maybe the price of the food stays the same and the profit margins for big agriculture go down, you do realize liberals like Koods are big supporters of crony capitalism?
God damn you are naive. Unbelievable,
Hmm, I don't hear you bitching about "too big to fail" banks, your boy Obama and his Fed Chief did close to $4 trillion of "free" money to the banks, where's the outrage?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501388 - 08/02/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, all of our tens of millions of unemployed US citizens could never fill the void. Illegals work for cheap, they're replaceable.
You keep insisting this, yet all the evidence and past experiences with this demonstrate it won't happen the way you think it will. This is the insanity of you guys. You keep trying the same failed ideas, expecting a different outcome.
And we do not have tens of millions of people available anyways. As we have previously discussed, there are about 40 million people between the ages of 18 and 64 who are not working. Millions of those are students getting college degrees. Millions more are raising young children. Probably 1/3 of them are not physically capable of doing the kind of manual labor illegals were providing.
A lot of people will not be able to essentially become migrants, moving from town to town as the harvests come and go. Finally, a lot of people simply won't do that kind of work. They are lazy. You can whine all you want about this segment of the population, but there will always be people who underperform and will not be motivated to do hard work.
while it may be semantics, i have to point this out. you did say "cannot"
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the reality is not that the labor "cannot" be replaced, it's that it won't be replaced because very few Americans have any desire to perform that kind of work, despite it's vitality to the system they mostly suckle on. as you later said, many are too lazy to ever do any form of manual labor
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501405 - 08/02/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: No he won't. his supporters already don't care about his never ending inconsistencies and flip flops. The rest of us already know he's never going to build a wall because we're not idiots.
He just lost the VFW over his comments on the Muslim parents that lost their son while serving his country. This is sacred ,hallowed ground that the idiot just walked all over.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Thayendanegea] 2
#23501416 - 08/02/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501422 - 08/02/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm, I don't hear you bitching about "too big to fail" banks, your boy Obama and his Fed Chief did close to $4 trillion of "free" money to the banks, where's the outrage?
lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23501446 - 08/02/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm, I don't hear you bitching about "too big to fail" banks, your boy Obama and his Fed Chief did close to $4 trillion of "free" money to the banks, where's the outrage?
lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501448 - 08/02/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not just an unwillingness to replace them it's an inability to replace them. How do you match up the unemployed with these jobs.
A lot unemployment is in urban centers. You have to make it easy for kids in the ghetto to work in the fields. It's not good enough to just say the jobs are there. Kids in Baltimore aren't just gonna take it upon themselves to find work in Kansas.
If trump offered ideas about how to use government to match unemployed young people in the cities with jobs in the fields, that would be amazing. That kind of thing won't happen on it's own.
All we hear is "I'm building a wall, Mexico will pay for it, and I'm kicking the illegals out." These are concepts, not plans.[
quote]qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
You keep saying that it's basic economics. Well, it's too basic, because you're clearly missing important factors. WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE that simply offering higher wages does not bring in the labor. The illegal agriculture labor market is very well tuned to the needs of the industry. They move where they are needed, they know how many people to bring. It's really quite efficient. You not only have to replace the workers but replace their experience and competency. It would take a long time rebuild that kind of productivity with an all new workforce. That is kinda a moot point, because there just isn't enough American labor available to fill the jobs.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501449 - 08/02/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Thayendanegea]
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This is a good place to start
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: demiu5]
#23501464 - 08/02/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
Come on now, we know plenty of servers in the restaurant industry that make good money, many stay on the job for decades. I'm sure they report every cash tip to the IRS. 
Again, illegals have cut wages in all service industries, including resturants and food service.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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Hmm, I don't hear you bitching about "too big to fail" banks, your boy Obama and his Fed Chief did close to $4 trillion of "free" money to the banks, where's the outrage?
lol...This was done at the end of W's term with Greenspan at the helm because there was no other way to stop the freefall of the civilized world's economies. Obama issued new legislation to limit banks powers as a direct result of the crisis.
You must be confusing TARP with QE, the vast majority of QE was under Obama. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
QE is not free money. The government buys assets that have value. That's clearly not free money.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Crystal G]
#23501475 - 08/02/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I'm legitimately curious. Every time I ask a Trump supporter they never give a clear answer.
Aside from building a wall, what other plans specifically has he proposed to make America great?
No idea, he seems like a goofy ass rich dude... Still better than hillary and honestly I'm not so sure these presidential elections are as legitimate as we have been told.
It's to much to type on this little iPhone 5s but Google "the Bildery Balderdash" with a question mark.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I'm legitimately curious. Every time I ask a Trump supporter they never give a clear answer.
Aside from building a wall, what other plans specifically has he proposed to make America great?
How is Trump going to solve the US's issues?
Hes going to consult his VP Larry the Cable Guy, and hes going to tell Trump to "Get 'Er Done!"
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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qman said: Or maybe US citizens refuse work to for wages below minimum wage, that's what happens when you flood your homeland with millions of third world migrants.
Boot the illegals and the producers will be forced to pay a better wage, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic economics.
if US workers refuse to work for wages below minimum wage, how do you explain the food service industry with hundreds-of-thousands, if not millions, of servers working for $2.13/hour plus variable rate tips?
the wage is not the problem; work ethic is; attitude towards menial labor is. many people wouldn't want to "lower" themselves to that line of work
Come on now, we know plenty of servers in the restaurant industry that make good money, many stay on the job for decades. I'm sure they report every cash tip to the IRS. 
Again, illegals have cut wages in all service industries, including resturants and food service.
the fact is they are working for significantly less than minimum wage, "gambling" that the tips will even out their pay. this is not always the case.
this brings up another point. think of all the lost tax revenue on the multitude of servers not claiming any/all of their tip money. this puts them in the same category of illegals not paying taxes on their income
also, think about who is to blame for "illegals cutting wages"....is it the workers themselves, or the employers choosing to hire these people so THEY can increase their own profits?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501481 - 08/02/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Literally this his plan for cracking down on illegal employment: "Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans."
How exactly does this prevent employers from hiring illegals? They simply won't e verify. The amount of enforcement required to make this work is insane.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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puts them in the same category of illegals not paying taxes on their income
A lot of illegals use fake tax ID numbers. Their income taxes are withheld, and payroll taxes are paid as well.
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