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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: thenutflush]
#23500887 - 08/02/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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And essentially, that's what modern Liberalism is: a death cult. Hell to me would be surrounded by Liberals my whole life. I thank the Lord every day that I'm a good guy. I figured out the universe in 3 months.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Plain]
#23500893 - 08/02/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plain said: Stabilizing tensions?

If you're going to facepalm me provide an argument so I can at least facepalm you back.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: Crystal G]
#23501087 - 08/02/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I'm legitimately curious. Every time I ask a Trump supporter they never give a clear answer.
Aside from building a wall, what other plans specifically has he proposed to make America great?
Do you purposely not pay attention?
1. End global trade agreements with countries that engage in unfair trade practices and currency manipulation, if they don't the US will use economic tariffs.
2. Enforce existing immigration laws and secure the southern border, that means building a wall and deporting illegals.
3. Infrastructure spending, rebuild America.
4. Restructure US debt, we can't function with $20 trillion of debt, it must be addressed.
5. Stop supporting Asian and European (NATO) nations for free, if they want US security they must start paying.
6. A non-interventionist military foreign policy.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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Crystal G said: I'm legitimately curious. Every time I ask a Trump supporter they never give a clear answer.
Aside from building a wall, what other plans specifically has he proposed to make America great?
Do you purposely not pay attention?
1. End global trade agreements with countries that engage in unfair trade practices and currency manipulation, if they don't the US will use economic tariffs.
2. Enforce existing immigration laws and secure the southern border, that means building a wall and deporting illegals.
3. Infrastructure spending, rebuild America.
4. Restructure US debt, we can't function with $20 trillion of debt, it must be addressed.
5. Stop supporting Asian and European (NATO) nations for free, if they want US security they must start paying.
6. A non-interventionist military foreign policy.
You're speaking with a person that has wholly given herself over to Satan.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501147 - 08/02/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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How does he build the wall? The logistics are absurd. Private land will have to be seized. Natural watersheds need to be maintain. There must be ways for wildlife to cross the border. These are huge issues. How is he going to do these things?
How is he going to deport illegals? How does he find them? What resources will be required and how us he going to fund what would be be of the costliest program in history - it ain't cheap tracking down, processing and litigating cases of 10+ million people.
How is he going to fund the infrastructure programs? His tax plan would decrease revenue significantly, so where is the money coming from to pay for these projects?
How do you restructure debt and threaten trade deal at the same time. There's gotta be something in it for the other guy. Some of these trade agreement are treaties and cannot simply be voided, there are penalties for backing out. How does he plan on making demand after demand with other countries and expect any cooperation. It is not insignificant that people around the world think trump is a total Buffoon who is so ignorant he will probably be walked all over by people with actual knowledge of "the way things work"
How do you have a non interventionist military policy and "bomb the shit out of ISIS"
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501178 - 08/02/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: How does he build the wall? The logistics are absurd. Private land will have to be seized. Natural watersheds need to be maintain. There must be ways for wildlife to cross the border. These are huge issues. How is he going to do these things?
How is he going to deport illegals? How does he find them? What resources will be required and how us he going to fund what would be be of the costliest program in history - it ain't cheap tracking down, processing and litigating cases of 10 million people.
How is he going to fund the infrastructure programs? His tax plan would decrease revenue significantly, so where is the money coming from to pay for these projects?
How do you restructure debt and threaten trade deal at the same time. There's gotta be something in it for the other guy. Some of these trade agreement are treaties and cannot simply be voided, there are penalties for backing out. How does he plan on making demand after demand with other countries and expect any cooperation. It is not insignificant that people around the world think trump is a total Buffoon who is so ignorant he will probably be walked all over by people with actual knowledge of "the way things work"
How do you have a non interventionist military policy and "bomb the shit out of ISIS"
Trade agreements can be changed and what penalties can they do? The US is the partner currently getting fucked over, or would you like the status quo to remain in place so we don't receive a penalty? 
Cut off the freebies and jobs, and illegals will go home on their own, you think pissing away $150 billion per year on illegals and their children is some great bargain? Get them out and that yearly expense is over, sounds like a very sensible return on investment.
How come you never asked for any details when it came to the ACA? How did that "socialist" healthcare program workout for the corporate shareholders?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501179 - 08/02/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't hunt down illegals. You just don't hire them. They're pretty easy to spot. Lol
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: thenutflush]
#23501188 - 08/02/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thenutflush said: You don't hunt down illegals. You just don't hire them. They're pretty easy to spot. Lol
Well, he and his liberal crybabies have a narrative they're trying to create, he doesn't want to acknowledge that once the jobs and freebies are over they all go home VOLUNTARILY.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501211 - 08/02/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If they had any balls they'd fix their own country and fuck off
It is complicated, though. Easier said than done with the CIA manipulating the cartels constantly. It's a very complicated situation. There may be no logical solution. Things are going to unfold in the next 3 years, 3 months, 3 days, 3 minutes, 3 seconds, 3 nanoseconds, i dunno.
Let's just agree to not let the Pope do weird things down there anymore
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: thenutflush]
#23501250 - 08/02/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thenutflush said: You don't hunt down illegals. You just don't hire them. They're pretty easy to spot. Lol
Ok cool plan. How do you convince employers not to hire? Are we going to start putting business owners in jail? Are we going to fine them? What will that do to costs?
What about employers who rely on illegals for their labor. You can't just remove them from the workforce. For example, over half the labor on farms is illegal. No industry can withstand losing half their labor force. You need to be able to replace them before they are gone. Labor shortages mean food shortages. We can't afford to hope that Americans will fill these jobs. They never have in past.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501256 - 08/02/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess we need 5get off our asses then don't we. ]
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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come you never asked for any details when it came to the ACA?
Nice strawman. The details of Obama's plan were available during his 2008 campaign. For example:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2008/oct/the-2008-presidential-candidates-health-reform-proposals--choices-for-america
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501272 - 08/02/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thenutflush said: You don't hunt down illegals. You just don't hire them. They're pretty easy to spot. Lol
Ok cool plan. How do you convince employers not to hire? Are we going to start putting business owners in jail? Are we going to fine them? What will that do to costs?
What about employers who rely on illegals for their labor. You can't just remove them from the workforce. For example, over half the labor on farms is illegal. No industry can withstand losing half their labor force. You need to be able to replace them before they are gone. Labor shortages mean food shortages. We can't afford to hope that Americans will fill these jobs. They never have in past.
The everyone is going to stave to death food shortage argument just doesn't cut it.
"They never have in past"
Yeah, Americans never worked in agriculture before the illegals came into the US.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: thenutflush]
#23501273 - 08/02/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thenutflush said: I guess we need 5get off our asses then don't we. ]
Sorry. That isn't a plan. That's a trump plan, but that isn't a real plan. When Alabama cracked down on illegals, they had major labor shortages. They couldn't find workers to do the hard manual labor. Crops ended up rotting in the field. Alabama had to undo the law in an emergency session. Why do you think this won't happen again? It happens every time.
And, back in 2011, unemployment was significantly higher. We are now approaching full employment. How do you find workers when nearly everyone that wants a job has one?
There are serious issues, and somebody needs to address them before we start a nationwide crackdown. We can't simply hope that things will work out.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
#23501282 - 08/02/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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come you never asked for any details when it came to the ACA?
Nice strawman. The details of Obama's plan were available during his 2008 campaign. For example:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2008/oct/the-2008-presidential-candidates-health-reform-proposals--choices-for-america
And how did those unrealistic goals WITHOUT details of how to accomplish those goals workout? Not so good.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
#23501288 - 08/02/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thenutflush said: You don't hunt down illegals. You just don't hire them. They're pretty easy to spot. Lol
Ok cool plan. How do you convince employers not to hire? Are we going to start putting business owners in jail? Are we going to fine them? What will that do to costs?
What about employers who rely on illegals for their labor. You can't just remove them from the workforce. For example, over half the labor on farms is illegal. No industry can withstand losing half their labor force. You need to be able to replace them before they are gone. Labor shortages mean food shortages. We can't afford to hope that Americans will fill these jobs. They never have in past.
The everyone is going to stave to death food shortage argument just doesn't cut it.
"They never have in past"
Yeah, Americans never worked in agriculture before the illegals came into the US. 
Immigrants have always provided the bulk of labor in agriculture. We need to allow people who work these jobs to stay, because the labor they provide cannot be replaced by Americans alone.
In the 50s there was a crackdown on illegals, but farm workers were legalized and put into guest worker programs because it was understood they are an irreplaceable segment of the economy.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: qman]
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come you never asked for any details when it came to the ACA?
Nice strawman. The details of Obama's plan were available during his 2008 campaign. For example:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2008/oct/the-2008-presidential-candidates-health-reform-proposals--choices-for-america
And how did those unrealistic goals WITHOUT details of how to accomplish those goals workout? Not so good.
Umm pretty much everything Obama laid out in his campaign is what ended up in the bill. The only real difference here is the public insurance option was rejected by the congress.
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Obama's Approach: Private and Public Group Insurance with Consumer Protections and Income-Based Subsidies. Senator Obama has proposed a plan for universal coverage that would build on the current system of mixed private and public group insurance. Some of its features are similar to the universal coverage law now being implemented in Massachusetts. All employers, other than small businesses, would be required to offer health insurance to their employees or contribute to the cost. Eligibility for Medicaid and SCHIP would be expanded. Small businesses, self-employed individuals, and people who do not have coverage through their employers, Medicaid, or SCHIP would be able to purchase a plan through a new insurance market called the National Health Insurance Exchange. Through this exchange, people could choose a private plan or a new public plan similar to that offered to federal employees and members of Congress. All insurance carriers would be required to offer plans to all applicants and could not charge premiums based on health status. Small businesses would be eligible for tax credits to offset their premium costs and individuals would be eligible for income-based premium subsidies. Obama has not yet defined the size of eligible small businesses and those not subject to the requirement to offer coverage.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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thenutflush said: You don't hunt down illegals. You just don't hire them. They're pretty easy to spot. Lol
Ok cool plan. How do you convince employers not to hire? Are we going to start putting business owners in jail? Are we going to fine them? What will that do to costs?
What about employers who rely on illegals for their labor. You can't just remove them from the workforce. For example, over half the labor on farms is illegal. No industry can withstand losing half their labor force. You need to be able to replace them before they are gone. Labor shortages mean food shortages. We can't afford to hope that Americans will fill these jobs. They never have in past.
The everyone is going to stave to death food shortage argument just doesn't cut it.
"They never have in past"
Yeah, Americans never worked in agriculture before the illegals came into the US. 
Immigrants have always provided the bulk of labor in agriculture. We need to allow people who work these jobs to stay, because the labor they provide cannot be replaced by Americans alone.
Yeah, all of our tens of millions of unemployed US citizens could never fill the void. Illegals work for cheap, they're replaceable.
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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come you never asked for any details when it came to the ACA?
Nice strawman. The details of Obama's plan were available during his 2008 campaign. For example:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2008/oct/the-2008-presidential-candidates-health-reform-proposals--choices-for-america
And how did those unrealistic goals WITHOUT details of how to accomplish those goals workout? Not so good.
Umm pretty much everything Obama laid out in his campaign is what ended up in the bill. The only real difference here is the public insurance option was rejected by the congress.
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Obama's Approach: Private and Public Group Insurance with Consumer Protections and Income-Based Subsidies. Senator Obama has proposed a plan for universal coverage that would build on the current system of mixed private and public group insurance. Some of its features are similar to the universal coverage law now being implemented in Massachusetts. All employers, other than small businesses, would be required to offer health insurance to their employees or contribute to the cost. Eligibility for Medicaid and SCHIP would be expanded. Small businesses, self-employed individuals, and people who do not have coverage through their employers, Medicaid, or SCHIP would be able to purchase a plan through a new insurance market called the National Health Insurance Exchange. Through this exchange, people could choose a private plan or a new public plan similar to that offered to federal employees and members of Congress. All insurance carriers would be required to offer plans to all applicants and could not charge premiums based on health status. Small businesses would be eligible for tax credits to offset their premium costs and individuals would be eligible for income-based premium subsidies. Obama has not yet defined the size of eligible small businesses and those not subject to the requirement to offer coverage.
So Obama's plan included higher premiums for higher deductibles and lower coverage?
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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to "make America great" again? [Re: koods]
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Sorry if this is a stupid question but I've always wondered, since there is so many illegals doing a lot of the agriculture (and I'm assuming they get paid less then legal Americans but could be wrong), would the price of food go up noticeably because by law they'd have to pay Americans at the very least minimum wage and probably need more insurance to cover those employees in case of injuries now that they would have legal employees?
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