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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23517230 - 08/06/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't understand how anyone could get through their day in America without an ID.

Can't drive.
Can't buy a beer.
Can't use a credit card.

The list goes on and on....


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: mycosis]
    #23517236 - 08/06/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand how anyone could get through their day in America without an ID.

Can't drive.
Can't buy a beer.
Can't use a credit card.

The list goes on and on....




Can't get WELFARE

kinda kills that whole "disenfranchising poor people" if only democrats weren't so gullible

Everyone knows it's for voter fraud, it's all a big rouse


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods] * 1
    #23517237 - 08/06/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Voter ID laws are racist. No one should have to show ID to vote.

It is a constitutional right! :crankey:




By this logic, we shouldn't have to show ID to buy an AR-15 either, right?



Nice try. Buying a gun and voting are not the same thing. There are background checks for gun purchases because certain people don't have the right to purchase one - criminals, mental patients etc.





but it's a constitutional right to own a firearm, dont you think that if we have
to show an ID for a gun then we should have to show ID to vote for the person
controlling the nukes? are you supporting letting just anyone vote for a nuclear
war? holy shit koods. that's why you're so adamant that hillary become president,
she's going to stop global warming with a nuclear winter

I'm glad to see you finally acknowledge that we already have common sense gun
control measures in place. now would you kindly tell your liberal and progressive
democrat thug friends to obey the laws

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You have already been determined eligible to vote if your name is on the list of registered voters.




your name isnt just automatically on the list, you have to register to vote, it's
as simple as showing a voter registration card like the one I got after
registering to vote many years ago


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #23517238 - 08/06/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you can't get your shit together enough to obtain a photo ID perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway. :shrug:




Having your shit together isn't a requirement for voting.

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every state i've lived in, a standard id, non-driver license costs money.  not as much as a driver license, necessarily, but something



This true. So why can't there be a state issued voter ID that one can obtain without cost? If these laws are intended to prevent fraud and not disenfranchise anyone who has the legal right to vote, then the state should go out of their way to make proving your identity as simple as possible, which would include not making someone pay money.

In maryland, it costs $40 to get a non-dl ID. If you are poor, $40 is a lot of money, especially if the only reason for spending it is to vote.





i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you about voter disenfranchisement.  but to claim it only for blacks is ridiculous, imo.  there are just as many impoverished white people, equally applicable in this situation

i have no answers for you



I'm not claiming it is only for black people. There are certainly white people who will not vote because they don't have the right form of ID. The point is that black people are much more likely to not have the types of ID required. But it's not just that black people are less likely, it's that poor people are less likely. And other minorities are less likely.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-provision.html?_r=0
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A federal appeals court decisively struck down North Carolina’s voter identification law on Friday, saying its provisions deliberately “target African-Americans with almost surgical precision” in an effort to depress black turnout at the polls.

The sweeping 83-page decision by a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit upended voting procedures in a battleground state about three months before Election Day. That ruling and a second wide-ranging decision on Friday, in Wisconsin, continued a string of recent court opinions against restrictive voting laws that critics say were created solely to keep minority and other traditionally Democratic voters away from the polls.




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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods] * 1
    #23517250 - 08/06/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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your name isnt just automatically on the list, you have to register to vote, it's
as simple as showing a voter registration card like the one I got after
registering to vote many years ago




Sorry Pris voter registration cards aren't an acceptable form of ID to vote in Georgia. Doesn't make any sense, does it?

I will give Georgia credit, they are one of the only states to provide a free ID for voting. Not that obtaining it isn't a hassle. It would be a lot easier to just allow people to use their voter registration. Even you think that is reasonable.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: mycosis]
    #23517260 - 08/06/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand how anyone could get through their day in America without an ID.

Can't drive.
Can't buy a beer.
Can't use a credit card.

The list goes on and on....





somehow these people dont have a social security card which costs nothing, of
course that would require an ID, something that costs them a small amount and
lasts for 8-10 years before having to be renewed. they manage to not have any
source of income due to this lack of ID since you have to verify citizenship or
residency in order to be employed in the US. immigrants have an ID, why do so many
citizens have no ID that actually proves their identity? are they fugitives?
clearly they pay no taxes since they cant work but somehow manage to get money in
order to eat and have shelter. what gives. what kind of crookedness is this?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23517264 - 08/06/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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somehow these people dont have a social security card



You keep on demonstrating how absurd these laws are. it doesn't matter if they have a social security card. Social security cards are not acceptable as ID for voting.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23517265 - 08/06/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That is some for real fucking bullshit! Where do all these undocumented Americans come from?

Are they even citizens? Why should we let them vote?!?!!!:crankey:


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517278 - 08/06/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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your name isnt just automatically on the list, you have to register to vote, it's
as simple as showing a voter registration card like the one I got after
registering to vote many years ago




Sorry Pris voter registration cards aren't an acceptable form of ID to vote in Georgia. Doesn't make any sense, does it?

I will give Georgia credit, they are one of the only states to provide a free ID for voting. Not that obtaining it isn't a hassle. It would be a lot easier to just allow people to use their voter registration. Even you think that is reasonable.





I hate to burst your bubble but I have used my voter registration card, not to be
confused with the card you use to register, in order to vote

even texas issues them



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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23517284 - 08/06/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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mycosis said:
I don't understand how anyone could get through their day in America without an ID.

Can't drive.
Can't buy a beer.
Can't use a credit card.

The list goes on and on....




Can't get WELFARE

kinda kills that whole "disenfranchising poor people" if only democrats weren't so gullible

Everyone knows it's for voter fraud, it's all a big rouse




The majority (and by that I mean almost all - like 99%) of actual voter fraud occurs with absentee/mail in ballots. Why do none of these laws address this problem? If they were serious about fraud they would. But, mail in voting is more popular with republican voters, and we can't disenfranchise them can we?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517289 - 08/06/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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somehow these people dont have a social security card



You keep on demonstrating how absurd these laws are. it doesn't matter if they have a social security card. Social security cards are not acceptable as ID for voting.




and it shows how absurd liberals are, a voter ID card is not a social security card
but it is an ID card that will allow people into a polling place. now what's
stopping these so called disenfranchised voters from getting a voter's ID card?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517294 - 08/06/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand how anyone could get through their day in America without an ID.

Can't drive.
Can't buy a beer.
Can't use a credit card.

The list goes on and on....




Can't get WELFARE

kinda kills that whole "disenfranchising poor people" if only democrats weren't so gullible

Everyone knows it's for voter fraud, it's all a big rouse




The majority (and by that I mean almost all - like 99%) of actual voter fraud occurs with absentee/mail in ballots.




so you keep telling us but you frequently give us false information, it's not like
we can trust crooked democrats to investigate their crooked elections, we've
already seen ho eric holder handles these issues, he just cuts the fraudsters loose


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Why do none of these laws address this problem? If they were serious about fraud they would. But, mail in voting is more popular with republican voters, and we can't disenfranchise them can we?





once more, how does a voter ID card disenfranchise anyone?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23517315 - 08/06/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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your name isnt just automatically on the list, you have to register to vote, it's
as simple as showing a voter registration card like the one I got after
registering to vote many years ago




Sorry Pris voter registration cards aren't an acceptable form of ID to vote in Georgia. Doesn't make any sense, does it?

I will give Georgia credit, they are one of the only states to provide a free ID for voting. Not that obtaining it isn't a hassle. It would be a lot easier to just allow people to use their voter registration. Even you think that is reasonable.





I hate to burst your bubble but I have used my voter registration card, not to be
confused with the card you use to register, in order to vote

even texas issues them






I don't believe you have used your registration card. If you are using your voter registration card, then they aren't following the law, as that is not an accepted form of identification.

This is the list of acceptable forms of ID in Georgia straight from their website http://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/georgia_voter_identification_requirements2

  • Any valid state or federal government issued photo ID, including a free ID Card issued by your county registrar's office or the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS)
  • A Georgia Driver's License, even if expired
  • Valid employee photo ID from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
  • Valid U.S. passport ID
  • Valid U.S. military photo ID


And before you claim that the free ID card issued by the county registrars or DDS is what you are talking about... That is only available to someone without any of the other forms of ID. It is not your voter registration card. You cannot use your voter registration card to vote in Georgia or Texas.

Georgia's law is less restrictive than most. Like I said, at least they allow you to get a free ID to vote.

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered my question... Why isn't a state issued university of Texas student ID acceptable, but a gun license is? And you aren't allowed to say its because the student ID doesn't have an address, since neither do passports or military IDs.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23517352 - 08/06/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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somehow these people dont have a social security card



You keep on demonstrating how absurd these laws are. it doesn't matter if they have a social security card. Social security cards are not acceptable as ID for voting.




and it shows how absurd liberals are, a voter ID card is not a social security card
but it is an ID card that will allow people into a polling place. now what's
stopping these so called disenfranchised voters from getting a voter's ID card?



With the exception of Georgia. Money. There is still the hassle and effort required to get these IDs. Nobody is saying these laws were designed to make it impossible for someone to vote (even though there are many cases where they cannot acquire documents required) What these laws do is make voting more difficult for certain groups to do so. A rich suburbanite, is almost certainly going to have a drivers license. For them, there is nothing more they have to do. They can just show up. If you're poor and live in the city, you may not have a drivers license. For them, you need to go to an office, probably spend the whole day there and pay a fee if you want to be able to vote. and that is how you suppress the vote, make it harder for one group to vote than another.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517365 - 08/06/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't believe you have used your registration card. If you are using your voter registration card, then they aren't following the law, as that is not an accepted form of identification.




you dont have to believe it but also keep in mind that I'm in a small town, everyone knows everyone.


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And before you claim that the free ID card issued by the county registrars or DDS is what you are talking about... That is only available to someone without any of the other forms of ID. It is not your voter registration card. You cannot use your voter registration card to vote in Georgia or Texas.






in georgia it's sent to everyone that's registered to vote





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Meanwhile, you still haven't answered my question... Why isn't a state issued university of Texas student ID acceptable, but a gun license is? And you aren't allowed to say its because the student ID doesn't have an address, since neither do passports or military IDs.




you havent answered my question, how is requiring a voter ID card disenfranchising anyone?


to answer your question, a gun license requires a federal background check and the
holder is required to be a US citizen, it also doesnt have an address on it while
a a student ID is not a state or federally issued ID and it doesnt require proof
if citizenship or even legal resident alien status, in fact foreign nationals
often attend schools in the US and allowing it without some proof of citizenship
would certainly allow foreign nationals to vote in our elections which would skew
results, something liberals are so fond of allowing


never once did I mention anything about an address, you may be confusing me with someone else


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517380 - 08/06/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't requiring someone to have an address to vote discriminating against poor urban homeless people?

When will this discrimination end? :crankey:


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517387 - 08/06/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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somehow these people dont have a social security card



You keep on demonstrating how absurd these laws are. it doesn't matter if they have a social security card. Social security cards are not acceptable as ID for voting.




and it shows how absurd liberals are, a voter ID card is not a social security card
but it is an ID card that will allow people into a polling place. now what's
stopping these so called disenfranchised voters from getting a voter's ID card?



With the exception of Georgia. Money.




if they dont have money to get an ID then how do they have money to pay rent or
eat? how do they get jobs? how would they cash their checks if they have a job?



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There is still the hassle and effort required to get these IDs. Nobody is saying these laws were designed to make it impossible for someone to vote





you're certainly implying it, so if these laws dont actually prohibit someone from
obtaining the required ID to obtain a voter's ID card then how exactly are you
claiming that they're disenfranchised? because of their own irresponsibility in
failing to obtain an ID card

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What these laws do is make voting more difficult for certain groups to do so. A rich suburbanite, is almost certainly going to have a drivers license.




and a wealthy or even middle class 'urbanite' may not have a drivers license, in
fact atlanta is full of people that dont have a drivers license but they do have
ID cards. it seems that in areas with public transportation people forego the
luxury of a drivers license but they still want to cash the paycheck they work
for, they still want to have jobs so they can afford to buy food and clothes and
have a shelter, they just dont want the added expenses of a car


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For them, there is nothing more they have to do. They can just show up. If you're poor and live in the city, you may not have a drivers license. For them, you need to go to an office, probably spend the whole day there and pay a fee if you want to be able to vote. and that is how you suppress the vote, make it harder for one group to vote than another.




oh, so someone would be a little inconvenienced if they had to get a state issued
ID, I guess that would require then to give up a day of smoking blunts, drinking
malt liquor and slangin' crack. in order to work in the US a person has to have a
state or federal ID AND a social security card, clearly if they dont have an ID
they arent working legally. how would they be getting their money?


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: mycosis]
    #23517399 - 08/06/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, you do not need to have a home to register

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When registering to vote, homeless people may designate a shelter, park, or street corner as their residence. Fischer v. Stout,




You do not need a photo ID to get welfare either.

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and a wealthy or even middle class 'urbanite' may not have a drivers license, in



You're absolutely right. But, it is less likely. These laws target demographic trends, and you have to look at the entire voting population as a whole. The laws may make it difficult for that one middle class voter to vote republican, but it makes it difficult for five poor voters to vote democratic.

Don't take my word for it.

http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517410 - 08/06/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why can't they just develop some kind of computer system where people have to input a valid social security number to vote. This way illegal aliens can't vote, if somebody tries to make somebody who is deceased vote it flags a notice, or if somebody tries to vote twice it flags a notice.

The only time I can see this being a problem is if somebody's social security number was stolen, but I doubt if it was stolen the thief would be using it to vote, especially if you were required to register some kind of fingerprint or something in addition to the SS number.


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Re: Does anybody know what Donald Trump is actually planning to [Re: koods]
    #23517416 - 08/06/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You do not need a photo ID to get welfare either.





you also dont need citizenship. the current registration laws are too lax,
allowing anyone recieving a government check or having a utility bill in their
name to register, that again allows for illegals and foreign nationals to register
to vote. I guess since most would vote democrat you wouldnt want them to be
disenfranchised

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and a wealthy or even middle class 'urbanite' may not have a drivers license, in



You're absolutely right. But, it is less likely. These laws target demographic trends, and you have to look at the entire voting population as a whole. The laws may make it difficult for that one middle class voter to vote republican, but it makes it difficult for five poor voters to vote democratic.





bullshit. what prevents them from obtaining proper ID? are they being denied the
ID or are they simply choosing to do without it?


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