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InvisibleRahz
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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23511433 - 08/05/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure most of the mystic claims brought up here are intended as metaphorical, but I get what you're saying.


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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: Rahz]
    #23512014 - 08/05/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno, when I say Consciousness doesn't exist in the body, I mean metaphorically that there is a shared awareness.  Existence could be beautiful or ugly, but in many circumstances that is on you, and Consciousness will exist with you or without you.  It has nothing to do with what happens or doesn't post-mortem.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23512483 - 08/05/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well sure... but that's totally understandable and reasonable. :thumbup:


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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: CosmicJoke] * 2
    #23512538 - 08/05/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just gonna drop this off here...


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We have already noted that the idea that ontologically independent beings ('spirits') or intelligences are contactable through plant-induced trances is standard in most if not all shamanic tribal societies, but to posit such a thing in modern Western societies is viewed as tantamount to insanity, a nonsense notion to be dismissed out of hand. In other words, we can’t discuss it without forfeiting all credibility. This problem concerning the inability to explore certain ideas has been addressed by Oxford-based researcher, Andy Letcher. He uses Foucauldian discourse analysis to critique the models, the 'discourses' employed by the West in dealing with the content of altered mind states. These include pathological, prohibition, psychological, recreational, psychedelic, entheogenic discourses. Each has its own imposed boundaries; they are cognitive constructs. Letcher notes that some of these discourses or approaches to hallucinogenic substances ignore the subjective experience of the altered mind states involved, or else place it within an inner, psychological framework rather than it being a case of simply seeing more, of being in a wider frame of consciousness. He critiques even the entheogenic discourse as relying on a “God within” model, divine revelation that does not by any means occur in all altered states. However diverse they might be, all these discourses can be used within the norms of Western culture. Only one discourse crosses that "fundamental societal boundary," what Letcher refers to as the animistic discourse – the belief that the taking of, say, hallucinogenic mushrooms occasions actual "encounters with discarnate spirit entities." Because of the deep-rooted modern Western assumption that consciousness cannot occur in any other guise than human (the ultimate hubris of our species, perhaps) discussion of a conscious plant kingdom, or of that providing a portal through which contact with other, ontologically independent beings or intelligences can occur, is simply not possible within the mainstream culture. "It nevertheless remains a phenomenon in need of further scholarly research," Letcher rightly insists.




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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23512551 - 08/05/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I believe the Beatles wrote a song about that.

Is this the part where we all hold hands and telepathically whisper sweet nothings and giggle? Perhaps we'll all start dancing in magical synchronization.

I'm all giddy already.

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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23512592 - 08/05/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The last sentence in that quote was paramount.


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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23512910 - 08/05/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Super large :paradisiscoolwhat:


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Re: Hitchen's Razor [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23512930 - 08/05/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

World's largest tickle monster.


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