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on legally importing trichocereus
    #23499262 - 08/01/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello all. Does anyone have any knowledge or personal experience with literally going to s. America, namely Peru, and bringing back trichocereus species with certs for customs? Its a very specific topic, I understand, but if anybody in the us has done it, you probably have an account here.
A friend recently returned from his second trip to the country absolutely ecstatic! Until he met effing customs.. The first time was no problem..I reckon my question really is if anybody has experience legally importing cuts.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin] * 2
    #23500304 - 08/01/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God gave you a huge colon for a reason, should be able to fit several feet up there, just de-spine before insertion.

Seriously though, I have no fucking clue.

Can you mail stuff back to your house, I mean they're not illegal to possess in anyway, and they're not a danger to the eco-system, so don't see why customs would give a shit.

How did your buddy bring some back the first time?


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: Lucis]
    #23500321 - 08/01/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did he try to sneak it in? If you make an agricultural claim with customs, I dont see why bringing it in would be a problem.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23500544 - 08/02/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Never imported it but bought it off line a few times no prob. I don't see how you couldn't do it. What happened to ur buddy?


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23501186 - 08/02/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure what went differently this time but he took such a big hit this time that we are trying to be as legitimate as possible. We need phyto-sanitary certificates from an environmental protection agency over there apparently to present to customs when we come back. The certs basically say it's not invasive and doesn't carry any contaminations.. And each cert is for 15 of a specific species. My dude sent an email to senasa a good while ago and never heard back, undoubtably due to the language barrier.. It would b an awesome trip for the cactus community to bring back diversity from the homeland..


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23501198 - 08/02/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The first time around he told customs they were dried skeletons to be used as sculpting models but he had ample time to make them look the part.. I think that was getting them put of Peru and customs never bothered him upon return.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23535069 - 08/12/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I got an espanol speaking friend to translate an email and send to senasa.. Il keep y'all or yous guys posted. Who wouldn't want a matucana San pedro or torch with traceable origins!! That is an ultimate life goal for me!


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23535147 - 08/12/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ummm hell yeah man!


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23535270 - 08/12/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You could try smuggling them in without notifying customs, success rate is high. Ive done it a couple times with trichocereus, a long time ago though when I was more careless.  Getting randomly searched or the cuts being noticed in security would suck.

Peru is so awesome though, I was in Cuzco,  there were huge fat San Pedros and p. torches just everywhere


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23535972 - 08/12/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck man.  If you live in San Diego, just drive over to a cactus nursery in Fallbrook and buy some. They are legal.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23538477 - 08/13/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

True as that may be, proper genetics is a big deal with hardcore collectors and just as interesting to the people doing the collecting.. EBay has plenty of gorgeous cactus at reasonable prices but when people see cuts straight outta Peru they freak!! And rightfully so if they r legit.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23538590 - 08/13/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

nolongrlurkin said:
Hello all. Does anyone have any knowledge or personal experience with literally going to s. America, namely Peru, and bringing back trichocereus species with certs for customs? Its a very specific topic, I understand, but if anybody in the us has done it, you probably have an account here.
A friend recently returned from his second trip to the country absolutely ecstatic! Until he met effing customs.. The first time was no problem..I reckon my question really is if anybody has experience legally importing cuts.




So you want to import something shady but not illegal into America, now do you?

I'll say the guy that sends me my kratom marks the packages as "boutique candle intermediate", which technically could be true if I were making candles with my kratom :rofl:.

I have no experience legally importing cuts, but would imagine that it isn't worth the effort at all. If I were trying to get a cactus cut into the country I would paint it in Peru/Costa Rica or hire a street artist to actually paint it well with nontoxic water soluble paint, and then declare the cactus cut as artwork and pay whatever the cost of importing art is. If the tax isn't too high I would mark up the cost on paper to a point where customs officials would actually look at it as shitty overpriced art instead of a psychedelic cactus.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23538830 - 08/13/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The first time around he told customs they were dried skeletons to be used as sculpting models but he had ample time to make them look the part.. I think that was getting them put of Peru and customs never bothered him upon return.




Were they dried or powdered? I think that shows intent. I seem to remember the US putting an end to importing cacti from South America a few years ago, or maybe it was just powdered cacti.

If I were you I would try to mail a few in different packages, mail seeds, and try to fly back with others. You will have pretty good chances like that.


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #23542071 - 08/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome idea falsereality!!
Not powdered or even completely dry. I guess inntent would still be a factor but it's shady, not illegal as it would be intent to propigate. Hopefully Il get a reply soon from senasa. Phytosanitary certs..


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #23624130 - 09/07/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Phytosanitary certs.... No reply from senasa.. I shall send another email.. And another.. And another.. Ima make it rain like hogwarts


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Re: on legally importing trichocereus [Re: nolongrlurkin]
    #25022784 - 02/26/18 08:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hey nolongrlurkin...

I realise this post is old (I've always been a bit of a necrophile!), but as I'm just starting to research the same thing and see that you are still active on this forum, I thought I'd ask whether you got any further with this?

I'm planning on visiting Peru later in the year and would love to get some cuttings from there sent/ carried to the EU...I also have a Spanish partner, if you need any help translating anything relevant?

Cheers!


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