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Let's see what you think about this
    #23499214 - 08/01/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When tripping I sometimes have experiences that defy the normals parameters of reality and become supernatural. This is normal obviously but sometimes they are experiences I've encountered while sober and before having taken any drugs whatsoever like Synchronicities, Feeling energies, Entity contact, Miracles, Lucid Dreaming, and OBEs,. It makes me question about the reality that these substances supposedly tune us into. I don't think what we experience on psychedelics is an alternate reality at all. I feel it is all the same reality resonating at a faster or higher frequency and we get to see part of it in these altered states.

One could then conclude the trips are to provide motivation for the true work which is then done after the experience has ended to reach natural states as high and maybe even higher.

Anyone else? Do you think it is possible to experience a reality at full consciousness all of the time? Is such focus even humanly possible?

Honestly, the more you think about all the wonderful possibilities you encounter ever more amounts of questions which tells me there obviously are more answers, possibly to everything we think we know about everything and I know practically next to nothing. It's humbling to say the least but motivating. We need motivation to get anything done otherwise no one would want to do anything just for the sake of doing it. Psychedelics are IME bursts of motivation for spirituality.

Want to hear others thoughts. Same or opposing views always appreciated:)

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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #23499368 - 08/01/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

a kind of reverb


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23499396 - 08/01/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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a kind of reverb




Yes! A temporary one that gives us material to work with and off of to try to either duplicate or perfect? Or in terms of the experience the word "integrate" would make more sense?


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23499426 - 08/01/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

maybe some mental illness like schizophrenia are perhaps 'experiencing reality  at full consciousness all the time' ... who knows...


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Hypnotoad420] * 1
    #23499609 - 08/01/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel it is all the same reality resonating at a faster or higher frequency and we get to see part of it in these altered states




Ya that's called an alternate reality


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23500157 - 08/01/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You should read The Teachings of Don Juan. I think you are headed in the right direction. Castaneda calls it Ordinary Reality and Non Ordinary Reality.


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #23501661 - 08/02/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When tripping I sometimes have experiences that defy the normals parameters of reality and become supernatural. This is normal obviously but sometimes they are experiences I've encountered while sober and before having taken any drugs whatsoever like Synchronicities, Feeling energies, Entity contact, Miracles, Lucid Dreaming, and OBEs,. It makes me question about the reality that these substances supposedly tune us into. I don't think what we experience on psychedelics is an alternate reality at all. I feel it is all the same reality resonating at a faster or higher frequency and we get to see part of it in these altered states.




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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #23501715 - 08/02/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely all real stuff, lately I was a skeptic of "ghosts" or "spirits" comparing to the paranormal I notice on Psychedelics(telepathy, synchronicity etc) until I became more open to the idea, it's really all the same stuff - had a "spirit" the other day slam doors in a house I was in, and turn on a washer machine when nobody was there, definitely could "feel" her around me, and was confirmed something was in there because she actually slammed my door when there was no draft or windows open in the house(wind couldn't slam a door this hard anyway)

It's a crazy world, when you open your mind and start looking :smile:

The alternate realities are already there, you can just "see" them more clearly when you're in an elevated mind-state, or start catching onto the small signs from the other frequency dimensions - most people just shun it off as the drugs, because the western world in specific has been so far gone the opposite direction for so many years now - but you can experience it SOBER.

The skeptics are just people that try to coin the unexplainable as a physical, 3rd dimensional thing. "schizophrenic" or "crazy" will be commonly throwed at you to the people with closed off minds - and you may very well show some tendencies during this spiritual awakening process as you try to catch on to the truth, but always trust your intuition, feelings and logical thinking and you'll be fine. "Derealization" "Depersonalization" "Schizophrenic" whatever are all just western terms to stop people from evolving into the truth of the reality, and you can very easily put yourself in that category if you are not safe with how and who you chose to associate yourself with, like minded individuals will help you grow. Idiots who say you're schizophrenic don't know any better. This is usually the phase where you clean up "toxic" people in your life if you wish to proceed down your path further of awakening.

I'm glad you are noticing! Exciting!


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23502149 - 08/02/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very true that your associations matter.  OTOH you develop a much stronger sense of who's worth associating with and who's toxic.  In the end you didn't choose their path, although you can choose to try to help them if you like.  But that's another thread.  :shrug:


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23503738 - 08/02/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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MagicDave said:
You should read The Teachings of Don Juan. I think you are headed in the right direction. Castaneda calls it Ordinary Reality and Non Ordinary Reality.




Don Juan has some good stuff I ran into him a long time ago while I was scouring through Terence McKenna's works. His take on lucid dreaming is very psychedelic in my mind.


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Definitely all real stuff, lately I was a skeptic of "ghosts" or "spirits" comparing to the paranormal I notice on Psychedelics(telepathy, synchronicity etc) until I became more open to the idea, it's really all the same stuff - had a "spirit" the other day slam doors in a house I was in, and turn on a washer machine when nobody was there, definitely could "feel" her around me, and was confirmed something was in there because she actually slammed my door when there was no draft or windows open in the house(wind couldn't slam a door this hard anyway)

It's a crazy world, when you open your mind and start looking :smile:

The alternate realities are already there, you can just "see" them more clearly when you're in an elevated mind-state, or start catching onto the small signs from the other frequency dimensions - most people just shun it off as the drugs, because the western world in specific has been so far gone the opposite direction for so many years now - but you can experience it SOBER.

The skeptics are just people that try to coin the unexplainable as a physical, 3rd dimensional thing. "schizophrenic" or "crazy" will be commonly throwed at you to the people with closed off minds - and you may very well show some tendencies during this spiritual awakening process as you try to catch on to the truth, but always trust your intuition, feelings and logical thinking and you'll be fine. "Derealization" "Depersonalization" "Schizophrenic" whatever are all just western terms to stop people from evolving into the truth of the reality, and you can very easily put yourself in that category if you are not safe with how and who you chose to associate yourself with, like minded individuals will help you grow. Idiots who say you're schizophrenic don't know any better. This is usually the phase where you clean up "toxic" people in your life if you wish to proceed down your path further of awakening.

I'm glad you are noticing! Exciting!




There are practically no toxic people in my life, they usually disappear just as quick as they appear. I have found unless like primal mentioned and I agree with his statement (OTOH you develop a much stronger sense of who's worth associating with and who's toxic.) that you would choose to try to offer suggestions or subtle hints; mostly these topics rest on deaf ears except to the initiated. Reality is too complex for us to understand fully so to give any one belief complete absolution is idiocy on either side of the equation unless given the absolute proof to such a belief; which still even then has the ability to only be a personal truth. In my personal opinion the only thing that matters is if it works for you. There is wisdom and knowledge that can be retrieved from just about every corner of the planet.

A wise man once said that; "I know I am wise only because I know that I know nothing"

Balance is the key to the equation. As much as my ability to bend my observable reality to my way of thinking I would never be so foolish to stop questioning everything.

And like Terence said "the real truth can take the criticism"


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #23504174 - 08/03/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very interesting! To me LSD has taken me to many diff alternate realities so has mushrooms. But LSD has a special place in my heart. My last trip was amazing my girlfriend and I would go off into these alternate realities and than at the same time we'd snap back and look at each other and without any words we both knew we came  back from a trip to a diff reality it was amazing to say the least!


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23504651 - 08/03/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Very interesting! To me LSD has taken me to many diff alternate realities so has mushrooms. But LSD has a special place in my heart. My last trip was amazing my girlfriend and I would go off into these alternate realities and than at the same time we'd snap back and look at each other and without any words we both knew we came  back from a trip to a diff reality it was amazing to say the least!





Hahaha I just got chills up my spine reading that; I know exactly what you mean. One of my first trips with my best friend was like that to the letter; it got to the point where it was impossible to hold onto the concept of having a body that upon closing my eyes it was like taking off an oven mit literally just slipping off and away and snapping back upon opening my eyes again. The first time it was startling but after I realized I wasn't really dying I was able to let go and let it take me. It was also the night my friend experienced his ego death and before that I never experienced it or even heard about it but literally saw this kids entire being unravel before my eyes and to the point he split himself from his ego and after coming back started hysterically crying and stating that something or someone had communicated through him and that he could feel two halves of himself as seperate but whole; if that makes sense?

It reminded me of when Tim Leary and Richard Alpert first started their journies and after an experience Tim came out and said; I learned more about psychology in 5 hours then I have in 15 years of studying psychology.

I think that a physical, mental, and spiritual revolution is probably the only way to change the course that society/culture has set for us and these substances have the potential to help and so do we IMO.


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #23504859 - 08/03/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Very interesting! To me LSD has taken me to many diff alternate realities so has mushrooms. But LSD has a special place in my heart. My last trip was amazing my girlfriend and I would go off into these alternate realities and than at the same time we'd snap back and look at each other and without any words we both knew we came  back from a trip to a diff reality it was amazing to say the least!





Hahaha I just got chills up my spine reading that; I know exactly what you mean. One of my first trips with my best friend was like that to the letter; it got to the point where it was impossible to hold onto the concept of having a body that upon closing my eyes it was like taking off an oven mit literally just slipping off and away and snapping back upon opening my eyes again. The first time it was startling but after I realized I wasn't really dying I was able to let go and let it take me. It was also the night my friend experienced his ego death and before that I never experienced it or even heard about it but literally saw this kids entire being unravel before my eyes and to the point he split himself from his ego and after coming back started hysterically crying and stating that something or someone had communicated through him and that he could feel two halves of himself as seperate but whole; if that makes sense?

It reminded me of when Tim Leary and Richard Alpert first started their journies and after an experience Tim came out and said; I learned more about psychology in 5 hours then I have in 15 years of studying psychology.

I think that a physical, mental, and spiritual revolution is probably the only way to change the course that society/culture has set for us and these substances have the potential to help and so do we IMO.




  You made perfect sense to me! Also I can see how Timothy Leary felt like he learned more about psychology in a 5 hr trip than yrs. It seems like on LSD trips when using the right way you can learn so much about the mind. I have had trips where i'd be in awe afterwards at how much of my mind I explored. LSD takes me to places in my mind I never knew I was able to ever travel. It sure is a blessing! Thank you Albert Hoffman! :cool: :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23505068 - 08/03/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Very interesting! To me LSD has taken me to many diff alternate realities so has mushrooms. But LSD has a special place in my heart. My last trip was amazing my girlfriend and I would go off into these alternate realities and than at the same time we'd snap back and look at each other and without any words we both knew we came  back from a trip to a diff reality it was amazing to say the least!





Hahaha I just got chills up my spine reading that; I know exactly what you mean. One of my first trips with my best friend was like that to the letter; it got to the point where it was impossible to hold onto the concept of having a body that upon closing my eyes it was like taking off an oven mit literally just slipping off and away and snapping back upon opening my eyes again. The first time it was startling but after I realized I wasn't really dying I was able to let go and let it take me. It was also the night my friend experienced his ego death and before that I never experienced it or even heard about it but literally saw this kids entire being unravel before my eyes and to the point he split himself from his ego and after coming back started hysterically crying and stating that something or someone had communicated through him and that he could feel two halves of himself as seperate but whole; if that makes sense?

It reminded me of when Tim Leary and Richard Alpert first started their journies and after an experience Tim came out and said; I learned more about psychology in 5 hours then I have in 15 years of studying psychology.

I think that a physical, mental, and spiritual revolution is probably the only way to change the course that society/culture has set for us and these substances have the potential to help and so do we IMO.




  You made perfect sense to me! Also I can see how Timothy Leary felt like he learned more about psychology in a 5 hr trip than yrs. It seems like on LSD trips when using the right way you can learn so much about the mind. I have had trips where i'd be in awe afterwards at how much of my mind I explored. LSD takes me to places in my mind I never knew I was able to ever travel. It sure is a blessing! Thank you Albert Hoffman! :cool: :thumbup: :heart:





I totally agree but, It's not that it's the "right way" it's just a way which pays more attention to set and setting to bring about a desired effect not normally experienced even by a lot of avid users. I keep hearing people wonder why only sometimes they experience this reality shattering stuff and then in their next story tell me how they dropped another time and went to a black metal concert or to a busy mall and still have a great time; but that's usually the extent of it and afterwards can't even recall 99% of what happened. To each their own of course not everyone is looking for the same thing; but the results based on the levels of experience attained speak for themselves IMO


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    #23505471 - 08/03/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'll put in the tangent of flying in our dreams. I'm sure everyone here has flown in their dreams before. It feels exactly like what you would think. By all accounts flight for the human body is impossible to us, but we are able to in our dreams. It would be considered supernatural for a human body to defy gravity and fly, I think.

As you say "defy the normal parameters of reality," flying does exactly that for us, and we do it in our dreams. The link between psychedelics and dreams is obvious, and most of us dream completely sober. So, sober experiences with entities and the like is an easy step to take, IMO.

"Anyone else? Do you think it is possible to experience a reality at full consciousness all of the time? Is such focus even humanly possible?" Humanly possible? No. What you're asking for is essentially to make ourselves into "God." I've done that to myself during a trip once and it wasn't pleasant.


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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: LRG]
    #23505635 - 08/03/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'll put in the tangent of flying in our dreams. I'm sure everyone here has flown in their dreams before. It feels exactly like what you would think. By all accounts flight for the human body is impossible to us, but we are able to in our dreams. It would be considered supernatural for a human body to defy gravity and fly, I think.

As you say "defy the normal parameters of reality," flying does exactly that for us, and we do it in our dreams. The link between psychedelics and dreams is obvious, and most of us dream completely sober. So, sober experiences with entities and the like is an easy step to take, IMO.

"Anyone else? Do you think it is possible to experience a reality at full consciousness all of the time? Is such focus even humanly possible?" Humanly possible? No. What you're asking for is essentially to make ourselves into "God." I've done that to myself during a trip once and it wasn't pleasant.




You have definitely understood what I meant by reality defying. As far as full consciousness and the focus required to do such I don't think those limits are as clearly defined as you might want to think they are and it would be a bit extreme I feel to say that would make one "God". I'm not asking for omnipotence or omnipresence I'm just wondering if it is has to be a constant trip between being awake vs being asleep while in this flesh body. We are all one in the same even when you throw the G word into the equation people throughout history and throughout the world talk about enlightened beings and prophets capable of a myriad of abilities that now only hold bar in science fiction novels mostly. I don't think we are any better or worse or different then any of them since we are all one from the same source they are no more special than us they are just probably more realized and on a higher level of consciousness.

So if they can do it; why can't we?

This is why I see psychedelics as extremely useful. They press our reset button after we trade wakefulness for sleep by showing us how great it is to actually be awake/conscious/aware but then we slowly fall back into sleep because the states they bring us to are not really maintainable long term; but IMO they could indeed hold the answers we seek.


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    #23505782 - 08/03/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Who's to say we don't already know everything. If we know nothing then the ever present duality of the universe would suggest we already know that which is unseen.

I don't know much about the prophets just that their words have been twisted for profit. Jesus never declared himself the son of God. Only a son of man. I think the same goes for the other faiths and their prophets.

You're right if they are capable of actual miracles why aren't we. Walking on water seems a little austentatious to suggest but to free the people of the world as a man or woman with no divine imtervention would be a great miracle.



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Re: Let's see what you think about this [Re: LRG]
    #23506067 - 08/03/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Who's to say we don't already know everything. If we know nothing then the ever present duality of the universe would suggest we already know that which is unseen.

I don't know much about the prophets just that their words have been twisted for profit. Jesus never declared himself the son of God. Only a son of man. I think the same goes for the other faiths and their prophets.

You're right if they are capable of actual miracles why aren't we. Walking on water seems a little austentatious to suggest but to free the people of the world as a man or woman would be the greatest miracle.





Indeed another plausible perception. I agree with you mostly aside from the simple fact that the universe is infinitely vast and unknown and thus the capabilities and knowledge we have come to as a whole could be only a drop in the ocean of what is actually possible and out there waiting to be discovered.


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