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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23496957 - 07/31/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, because the terrorists are bankrolled and supplied by Republicans


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23496963 - 07/31/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, because the terrorists are bankrolled and supplied by Republicans





like clinton, obama and carter? I was unaware that they were republicans

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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23497324 - 07/31/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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the bush family?

try Jimmy Carter, he was funding the Mujahedin, they became the Taliban and al
Qaeda but clearly you're too young to remember this shit. wanna know who clintoon
vowed to kill but didnt? if you guessed Osama bin Laden then you'd be correct,
even though Osama hit the WTC in 1993, hit US embassies and other US targets
throughout the clinton years, and even though the 1st special forces had Osama in
their sights several times when clinton pulled the plug, you'd like to blame bush?

it doesnt strike you as a little odd that terrorism is a constant problem under a democrat




You mean the same Osama that was killed under the Obama administration?

Why did Bush do nothing to prevent 9/11 even though they had all the evidence they needed?

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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23497334 - 07/31/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7284558

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George W. Bush Did Help Create ISIS

WASHINGTON — Jeb Bush isn’t even an official presidential candidate yet, but he’s already facing a serious challenge to his candidacy — and it just got worse because of a 19-year-old.

“Your brother created ISIS,” college student Ivy Ziedrich told Bush during a town-hall-style meeting in Reno, Nevada, on Wednesday. “ISIS” is a common name for the militant group that calls itself the Islamic State, and the “brother” in question, of course, is former President George W. Bush.

Moments earlier, the former Florida governor had been telling the audience that President Barack Obama was responsible for the rise of the militant group. But Ziedrich, a student at the University of Nevada, Reno, replied that Bush’s version of history glossed over a few key events.

“You stated that ISIS was created because we don’t have enough presence and we’ve been pulling out of the Middle East,” she said. “However, the threat of ISIS was created by the Iraqi coalition authority, which ousted the entire government of Iraq. It was when 30,000 individuals who are part of the Iraqi military were forced out. They had no employment, they had no income, yet they were left with access to all the same arms and weapons.”
Ziedrich’s rebuttal to Bush came at a moment when the likely candidate was already facing questions over an earlier statement that appeared to suggest he supported the invasion of Iraq. (Bush walked back those comments Thursday, saying that “knowing what we know now,” he would not have invaded the country.) And while Bush might not like to admit it, the truth is that Ziedrich’s comments capture a point that has long been emphasized by Middle East watchers — namely, that the Bush administration’s mismanagement of Iraq encouraged thousands of skilled Iraqis to take their expertise to the anti-American insurgency that eventually became the Islamic State.

Jeb Bush and other Republicans have accused Obama of enabling the insurgency by withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq at the end of 2011. The administration says it could not have maintained the troops there without an agreement to protect them that Baghdad was not at the time willing to sign.

But Bush’s preferred reading of history overlooks the fact that the risk of an Islamic State-level militant expansion was clear back in 2003, after George W. Bush had ordered a U.S. invasion of Iraq on the basis of sketchy evidence. Saddam Hussein had at that point effectively controlled Iraq for more than 30 years. First tasting great power as the country’s intelligence and internal security chief, Hussein invested heavily in making Iraq a police state, with loyal, well-trained agents of his Baath Party government as numerous in the country as conspiracy theories about their activities. He also focused on making his army a formidable force, appointing Sunni Arabs — members of his own sect of Islam and a minority in Iraq — to leadership positions. Hussein’s rule forced those soldiers and officials to become even closer to the despot, because they, like many other people in the centralized quasi-socialist state that was Iraq, were reliant on government salaries, subsidies and favor.

Then an American came to Baghdad and told all those well-trained, well-armed men that their services would no longer be required. Or allowed.

Just over 12 years ago, George W. Bush appointed L. Paul Bremer to run Iraq. Bremer was given massive powers and a mandate to turn Iraq into a GOP dream: a free-market-loving, America-backing Muslim state that would stand as a shining beacon in the Middle East.

Bremer quietly left the country 14 months later, handing over power to an interim government in which 85 percent of Iraqis, at the time, said they lacked confidence. Much of their discontent had to do with Iraq’s security problems, which U.S. officials told The Washington Post were exacerbated by Bremer’s decision to disband the Iraqi army.

One of the men who lost his job was, according to a major recent report by the German magazine Der Spiegel, a key architect of the Islamic State.

Der Spiegel last month published a story based on captured documents that appear to belong to the Islamic State. Those documents discuss a man known to the militants as Haji Bakr. His real name — the name by which he was known when he served in Saddam Hussein’s air force intelligence services — was Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi.

Der Spiegel spoke about Bakr with Iraqi researcher Hisham al-Hashimi, who has advised the Iraqi government. Hashimi said that Bremer’s move left the onetime Hussein loyalist “bitter and unemployed.”

The report continues:

Thousands of well-trained Sunni officers were robbed of their livelihood with the stroke of a pen. In doing so, America created its most bitter and intelligent enemies. Bakr went underground and met Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Anbar Province in western Iraq. Zarqawi, a Jordanian by birth, had previously run a training camp for international terrorist pilgrims in Afghanistan. Starting in 2003, he gained global notoriety as the mastermind of attacks against the United Nations, US troops and Shiite Muslims. He was even too radical for former Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Zarqawi died in a US air strike in 2006.
Although Iraq’s dominant Baath Party was secular, the two systems ultimately shared a conviction that control over the masses should lie in the hands of a small elite that should not be answerable to anyone — because it ruled in the name of a grand plan, legitimized by either God or the glory of Arab history. The secret of IS’ success lies in the combination of opposites, the fanatical beliefs of one group and the strategic calculations of the other.
Bakr, a top adviser to Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, died in 2014. By that point, according to Der Spiegel’s story and an analysis of Islamic State comments by The Long War Journal, Bakr had firmly established Baghdadi’s pre-eminence within the group, helped the militants take over key towns in Syria and played a major role in the group’s split from the central al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan and the al Qaeda affiliate in Syria. That last move was central to the Islamic State’s claim to statehood and global leadership over Muslims. It is also thought to have enhanced the group’s prestige among radicalized youth from around the world, thus making it more attractive to potential recruits.

A Washington Post report from last month confirmed the importance of former Hussein figures like Bakr in the overall Islamic State structure.

“Even with the influx of thousands of foreign fighters, almost all of the leaders of the Islamic State are former Iraqi officers, including the members of its shadowy military and security committees, and the majority of its emirs and princes, according to Iraqis, Syrians and analysts who study the group,” the Post reported.

Much as Jeb Bush might dislike the legacy of his brother’s policies in Iraq, it will be difficult for him to pretend it doesn’t exist. It’s one thing to say that he would not repeat the invasion, and another to acknowledge that the decisions made after the invasion have at least as much to do with the rise of the Islamic State as anything Obama later did. The question for Bush now will be how to account for that legacy, because it seems unlikely that Ziedrich will be the last person to bring it up.




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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
    #23497978 - 08/01/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Why did Bush do nothing to prevent 9/11 even though they had all the evidence they needed?





if you can show us that they had all the evidence they needed to stop the attack
then please do, they had warning that there was going to be a big attack but they
didnt know the details because the al Qaeda operative they had been interrogating
did not have the details of how, when or where. unlike how liberals like to portray
these terrorists, they were not simple minded cave dwellers

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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Plain]
    #23497982 - 08/01/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Plain said:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7284558

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“You stated that ISIS was created because we don’t have enough presence and we’ve been pulling out of the Middle East,” she said. “However, the threat of ISIS was created by the Iraqi coalition authority, which ousted the entire government of Iraq. It was when 30,000 individuals who are part of the Iraqi military were forced out. They had no employment, they had no income, yet they were left with access to all the same arms and weapons.”








where was ISIS when we had troops in Iraq?




who armed ISIS when they were being called Syrian Rebels?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33997408

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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #23498034 - 08/01/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How I imagine pris whenever he starts going off about Iraq.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23498320 - 08/01/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

wewnt those the wmd's that assad turned over to russia?


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23498346 - 08/01/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How I imagine pris whenever he starts going off about Iraq.






Jesus Christ, the Url on that pic must be satanic. Yeeesh.

Ok but anyway, I was a mid to late teenager in the early 00's and the climate of propaganda in the wake of 9/11 was absurd. Everything in the media took on a very militaristic air. I think a lot of people followed along blindly because they had been so shocked by 9/11 and figured conventional warfare was an apt way to fight back against a shadowy criminal cartel that talks its footsoldiers into committing suicide attacks.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23498393 - 08/01/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Why did Bush do nothing to prevent 9/11 even though they had all the evidence they needed?





if you can show us that they had all the evidence they needed to stop the attack
then please do, they had warning that there was going to be a big attack but they
didnt know the details because the al Qaeda operative they had been interrogating
did not have the details of how, when or where. unlike how liberals like to portray
these terrorists, they were not simple minded cave dwellers




There was a newscast on NPR that broadcast the recordings they had of the terrorists over the phone, underneath the recordings were subtitles of the terrorists plotting to attack WTC. It's true, they might not have known what particular day it was going to happen, but I wonder why the rest of the media stayed silent about that? :cookiemonster:

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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
    #23498442 - 08/01/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The whole idea that the tower was taken down with a controlled explosion that was coordinated with the impact of the planes is my favorite conspiracy theory; the Bush admin. saw the attacks coming and instead of asking how to stop them, they asked, "How can we really milk this shit?"


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
    #23498690 - 08/01/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why did Bush do nothing to prevent 9/11 even though they had all the evidence they needed?




How about linking us to this evidence or even to proof that actual evidence, as opposed to vague warnings, was presented.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23498967 - 08/01/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, if you get word that a huge attack is going to happen towards the US wouldnt you tighten up security if you were the guy in charge?

I am not one who believes "bush did 9/11" i just think the govt. was extremely incompetent that day as they are most of the time.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Plain] * 1
    #23500532 - 08/02/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There was no specific intel about an attack. Never seen any evidence of that. It is pretty clear that Bush was very dismissive of the people who were telling him that Bin Laden posed a serious threat.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Plain]
    #23501819 - 08/02/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, if you get word that a huge attack is going to happen towards the US wouldnt you tighten up security if you were the guy in charge?




Where? When? How? For how long? In 2001 there were approximately 23,000 flights per day. Note that's the low number I found for 2001. The high was 36.000)

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2001/may/17/average-day-how-many-airplanes-are-sky-across-unit/


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I am not one who believes "bush did 9/11" i just think the govt. was extremely incompetent that day as they are most of the time.




Yup. That's why they should go back to doing only what the constitution authorized them to do.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: koods] * 2
    #23501828 - 08/02/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There was no specific intel about an attack. Never seen any evidence of that..




O.K. Where is the real koods? A factual, non-hyperbolic post just isn't like him.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23502388 - 08/02/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I am not one who believes "bush did 9/11" i just think the govt. was extremely incompetent that day as they are most of the time.




Yup. That's why they should go back to doing only what the constitution authorized them to do.




This, times 10,000

The federal govt is so busy doing shit they have business doing, they slack on actually doing what the fuck they are tasked to do

Good post LDS


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23511629 - 08/05/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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I am not one who believes "bush did 9/11" i just think the govt. was extremely incompetent that day as they are most of the time.




Yup. That's why they should go back to doing only what the constitution authorized them to do.




This, times 10,000

The federal govt is so busy doing shit they have business doing, they slack on actually doing what the fuck they are tasked to do

Good post LDS






search academic articles on false flag operations, again ACADEMIC ARTICLES. TV rhetoric from politicians and business men, and dumb pubbers on shroomery, is not legitimate. sorry folks, your made up opinions are not factual. try sci-hub.io - a search engine for academic articles, how about you all read something on Islam or even better the history of colonialism and american meddling in arab affairs or supporting so called terrorist groups...yes, supporting. GO AND READ SOMETHING. TV does not hold truth and is not the sole dictator of any kind of truth.


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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23512503 - 08/05/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, because the terrorists are bankrolled and supplied by Republicans



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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Apostle]
    #23514261 - 08/05/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

EXPLOSIONS IN FRANCE 13 DEAD

http://bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id5002

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