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What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? * 3
    #23496099 - 07/31/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi friends,

I was writing a post for this thread:

Do you guys tell your family and friends that you take psychedelics?

But then it turned into something that perhaps deserves it's own thread. So here it is.

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Do you guys and girls realize we're very much talking of a taboo on a psychedelic way of life here? That we are talking about it in the same way as we once talked about sexuality?

I mean, in the middle of the 20th century, being gay meant prison in the UK. Now we try to say we are tolerant and accept our differences.

In my town (Amsterdam) we have the GayPride this week. Queers and straights together on a boat parade through town, a week long party celebrating our differences. And I love it. But what is perhaps more relevant for me is that I'm a psychonaut.

And so I sometimes long for a future in which it isn't just diverse sexuality that is accepted, but also one in which taking mushrooms and mescaline and dmt IS NOT frowned upon by friends, parents, and the law. During this week long festival I sometimes think, Where is my cultural movement? Where is my festival with boats and parties? When can I come out of my closet?

Of course we have discussed legalization on this forum a lot.

But what I'm talking about here is more like emancipation. Yes, I like that word, it's PSYCHEDELIC EMANCIPATION.

I don't want to fear rejection by friends or family. I don't want to become an outcast on the work floor when my way of life becomes known to my colleagues. I don't want to keep my way of life a secret from my doctors out of fear they won't prescribe me the same things they do their other patients.

I sometimes feel it's unfair when I hear of other people going on what they think of as recreational risk holidays. Mountain climbing, skydiving, sailing the Southern Ocean, etc. They prepare, save money for it, form teams, take calculated risks, hire professional guidance, glorify their accomplishments, etc.

But when I do exactly that when I do my homework, save money, form a team, take time off, take a calculated risk, and then extract a cactus... Then there is no culture of acceptance for me. No glorification of accomplishments, no embracing when I come back, no party at the office. Instead I have to guard my secrets, privacy, and reputation.

I can't tell all my friends. I have a lot of them, from very different backgrounds. Some of them simply can not understand. Sometimes I carefully mention something that goes in the direction of recreational drug use. And some are accepting.

But very few of them understand that it's about a way of life. A true passion. About doing what you desire. About following your heart. Something you can't stop talking about. Something you think of when you wake up and go to bed. Something you live and breathe. Just like being gay is. 

...

So, here is what I think we, as a movement of psychonauts, need:

We need our own equivalent of the rainbow flag. Idk, showing a cactus probably. :lol: no, seriously.

We need our own revolution in literature and film, just like it happened with sexuality and sex equality. It's not enough to watch replays of fear and loathing, etc. We need to get this off the ground as a cultural mass movement.

We need celebs to come out of the closet as psychonauts. We need decent and strong role models who are respected figures.

We need .... we need, ... a lot of things to be done. You take over from here :thumbup:



Love, H.

Ps: at least we already have a good forum. Yey Shroomery :heart::thumbup:

Pps: .. living in Amsterdam means I already have half of my emancipation. I shouldn't complain of what I already have. I just think it isn't wrong to want more.



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Re: Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance. [Re: Hanz]
    #23497515 - 08/01/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BOOM!!! I definitely follow ya.  :tweak:

Coming out out of the closet with wisdom is recommended. Slow n steady wins the race.


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    #23497529 - 08/01/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/05/16 05:55 PM)

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What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: ruaware]
    #23497638 - 08/01/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanx people :thumbup:


Changed the title a bit, trying to make it more clickable.


:heart: H.


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Hanz]
    #23497680 - 08/01/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I like what you are onto, and I'm on board


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23497683 - 08/01/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

One day maybe it'll be like
...John's been acting up lately
Guess he hasn't had his monthly tab in nature


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23497743 - 08/01/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

IMO what maps is doing will help to boost acceptance of psychs in the future a lot. If LSD and psilocybin become widely used in psychotherapy in the future itll make things a lot easier. 

http://www.maps.org/

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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23497808 - 08/01/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i fucking love maps.


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Hanz]
    #23497812 - 08/01/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hanz said:
But very few of them understand that it's about a way of life. A true passion. About doing what you desire. About following your heart. Something you can't stop talking about. Something you think of when you wake up and go to bed. Something you live and breathe.





I totally relate to this, psychedelics are a way of life, even times I have taken breaks from using them, I still read about them, and the culture they're intimately connected too.  They're not just drugs to me, but tools which have wonderful effects on our whole being, tools which posses the power to heal us on a number of levels, and better ourselves in the long run.  This is why the ones that have been using them for a while, should teach the ones that are newer to them how to go about using them properly, and not view them as drugs, but as sacraments, not to try to profit from them in a monetary way, but from a spiritual way.


I am in my early 30's now, I never got into psychedelics because of peer pressure, I read about them in a book and thought that was would be interesting to experience, that was 18 years ago, my fascination with them continues to grow.  I want them to be widely accepted because I think they have the ability to break down barriers in many peoples lives, to heal the abused, to awaken the spiritual, to be the muse to the artist, to bring people together.  Psychedelics are a cornerstone of my spirituality, it really bothers me that I cannot freely use them the way I would like. 


As far as how we can work towards cultural acceptance of them, well we must have proper speech about them, be well informed, teach harm reduction, let others know they're not just drugs to be consumed to get high but so much more.  Knowledge is power.

We should have a flag inspired by the Huichol peoples art.

This is cool, with peyote button at the center.



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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Lucis]
    #23498253 - 08/01/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What a beautiful image. I like it :thumbup: Great, with the snake's head and the peyote in the middle.

For it to become a flag it could perhaps be simplified a bit, becoming closer to a symbol, or if you will a logo, for lack of a better word. But the snake with the cactus in the middle, I love it.


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Hanz]
    #23498258 - 08/01/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And MAPS is very cool. I haven't even begun to read half of what they do. Hope to spend a little more time doing that.


:heart: H.


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Hanz]
    #23498613 - 08/01/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:kaneclap:
This is a damn good post.

I think there are two big things that really matter in the long run:

1. You have to talk to people about it.
2. You have to let people try it.

These are the things that worked for pot. Once enough people had tried pot, and enough people had talked to their families and friends about pot, that's when prohibition failed. Prohibition relies on a lack of information about the drug being discussed.

Once you've tried a psychedelic it becomes hard to justify their prohibition. People have to talk to each other and say "hey, actually, psychedelics are not bad. I've tried them, and they helped me a lot, and I'm not afraid to say that." Once you realize that it's your neighbors that use psychedelics, and your parents, and your sons and daughters, and your coworkers, that it's the quiet academic down the street, and successful business local owner, then you can't think of psychedelics as a thing that only "bad" people do.

I agree, we need our own literature, art, music, film, flag, celebration (4/19) etc. We already have our own history, (eg erowid's character vault and such), but it could be muuuch better and more organized.

We also, more than anything else, need marketing. We need to market the idea of the psychedelic experience. We need to market ourselves and our movement just like Apple would a new iPhone. Well, maybe we can't quite reach that kind of goal, but that should be the goal. We need GOOD marketing.

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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: nooneman]
    #23498677 - 08/01/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think that once marijuana is universally legalized in the first world then our movement will have a leg to stand on. We are so close.

I dream of a day where we can grow our own mushrooms and buy lsd, dmt ect from a legitimate vendor without worrying about legal repercussions.


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SunnyD said:
Definitely have more respect for sheekle than I do for unjust laws

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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #23498712 - 08/01/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would argue that our job might actually become harder because we will no longer have marijuana to point to and say "look at how stupid prohibition is! Legalize drugs!"

On the other hand, once the dam bursts maybe we'll see a lot of rapid progress as people realize the entire system of prohibition is broken.

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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: nooneman]
    #23498831 - 08/01/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanx for the praise nooneman, you're a fine writer yourself too, if I may say so. Loved your recent reports.

I am, within reasonable bounds, talking to people about psychoactive compounds. Many friends know my passion, the long time friends know I've always had this passion.

But I'm hesitant to urge people to try it themselves. Sometimes, I've been at a point where I thought, with a little push I could get this or that person to try it. But then stepped back.

I always felt that the responsibility was too big for me. I mean, if something goes wrong with the other person's trip, then both I and the substance get the blame. Whereas, if some person acts on his own, and there is an unpleasant aspect to the experience, then it is entirely his responsibility.

It's a dilemma. I've written about it in another thread too somewhere. Do you share your drugs with the uninitiated knowing they are in good hands and get the right stuff, or do you let them blindly step into this new world by themselves? In the first case I take a big personal risk. But in the latter case, if a friend goes wrong while tripping on his own I also feel bad, thinking I might have been able to avoid the trouble. I still feel this is a dilemma for me.

I hope that just by being visible as a culture, more people will make the step themselves. Will inform themselves and be able to step in to the unknown.

And sometimes cultures change within one generation.

Think about tourism. The billion dollar industry that is global tourism for the middle classes came from a very modest starting point in the second half of the 20th century. Look where it is now.

I hope that making a journey in the mind can also become a more common recreation for a larger group. With perhaps its own equivalent of a tourism industry.

Yes, tourism is another nice analogy I think.


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: nooneman]
    #23499158 - 08/01/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I would argue that our job might actually become harder because we will no longer have marijuana to point to and say "look at how stupid prohibition is! Legalize drugs!"

On the other hand, once the dam bursts maybe we'll see a lot of rapid progress as people realize the entire system of prohibition is broken.




Drugs should at least be decriminalized. It's stupid throwing people in prison for so long over a substance. Total waste of taxpayers money. The addicts need help and rehabilitation and not to be locked away and hidden from society.

Your second point was the one I was trying to make, prohibition is broken, and hopefully with pot in the mainstream people won't think psychedelics are so 'bad' anymore. I'm not saying the same should be true for ALL drugs, that's quite a stretch to go for considering all the taboos on them.


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Definitely have more respect for sheekle than I do for unjust laws

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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #23499213 - 08/01/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And the taboos are the issue when talking about emancipation.

Legalization, or decriminalization are other important issues, and very hard to really see separately from a wider cultural acceptance, but the two are not the same.

We could perhaps ask which way the arrow points? First breaking the taboos, then decriminalization. Or the other way around. The first seems more likely to me.

Anyway, it's the taboos that concern me most.

What exactly are they? What are their cultural roots?

Why are they more persistent than other taboos, like e.g., certain sexual ones?

How have we gotten over those? What was necessary for that to happen, and where was the turning point?


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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: Hanz]
    #23499480 - 08/01/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope that just by being visible as a culture, more people will make the step themselves. Will inform themselves and be able to step in to the unknown.




Yes, this is the goal exactly. No one should ever pressure someone to take a psychedelic. Instead, we need to make sure it's available if/when they do want to try it. If someone out there wants to try LSD, that's the guy we need to be there for.

And like you said, it's about more than that. It's also about cultural acceptance and fighting against negative stereotypes and discrimination and so on. That's a much, much longer and broader challenge than the legal matter of legalization.

I agree that the way to address this is through cultural stuff. Showing that we're responsible adults like anyone else. Showing that these drugs are taken by people, and that we as a people have our own culture and don't need to live in fear, and so on and so forth. Advertising, marketing, popularizing the movement itself plus the drugs, and so on.

Edited by nooneman (08/01/16 07:17 PM)

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Re: What can we do for Psychedelic Emancipation & Cultural Acceptance ? [Re: nooneman]
    #23500842 - 08/02/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Hanz said:
I hope that just by being visible as a culture, more people will make the step themselves. Will inform themselves and be able to step in to the unknown.




Yes, this is the goal exactly. No one should ever pressure someone to take a psychedelic. Instead, we need to make sure it's available if/when they do want to try it. If someone out there wants to try LSD, that's the guy we need to be there for.







I would never pressure someone to take a psychedelic, but I would ask someone to do so if I thought it would greatly benefit them.  I see no problem in doing so, and if the dose was very light at first (0.7-1grm mushroom) and set/setting were good, I don't see how that would have a negative impact on their life. 

I know some people react in a more negative manner to psychs, but everyone I have ever recommended psychedelics to, has benefited from their use, even if was just once.  I have seen people pulled from the depths of crippling depressions associated with loss of loved ones, PTSD, and drug addiction to name a few things.

I think if one does recommend psychedelics to another, that we should also only do so if we know the person well enough first, not just some random person we just met and are offering a chance to change their lives, that's a recipe for disaster, but if we know the person well ahead of time, I think we know how to go about dosing them, and helping them navigate their trip as their trip sitter.

One more thing, psychedelic users of all ages and backgrounds, take note!


Take care of yourselves, exercise, shower, eat healthy, cut your finger nails, and build your vocabulary.  If you want people to take you seriously about the things you value, then look like you value yourself.


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