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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: shellzenone]
#23498449 - 08/01/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: What is racism anyway? I dont hate anyone or think less of them personally because of their race. I recognize that blacks have failed very badly, well Asians and European Caucasians have made decent societies. Genetics effect intellegence.
Race has nothing to do with intelligence. The reason you think 'blacks have failed' is because a vast majority of them are poor.
exactly, also centuries of history don't disappear over night, especially when the potential for upward mobility isn't what it used to be
black people will be fine just give it another 80 years
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#23498450 - 08/01/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kinko said: So if china invaded the usa with their billion people and started killing US civilians from collateral damage how would the us U.S. population react ? How would you react if the chinese invaders bombed ur wife and daughter by accident ? Then your neighbors and so on.... I bet you would become a " terrorist " things would have gotten intolerable ...
We were talking about people who are largely from the countries they are attacking. Domestic terrorists with jihadist idealism. These people generally don't have their family members bombed by invaders, they grow up for years in the countries they are bombing, they go to the theaters and the clubs they shoot up and they've walked down the same streets they run trucks into. They've looked at the churches they decide to attack.
This isn't much different from suicide attackers in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan either. These people aren't attacking the militaries fighting against them when they commit these suicide bombings. They aren't attacking the local police forces most of the time either. It's quite the opposite. They attack civilians to purposefully alienate themselves from that society, and instead of trying to prevent future war they are literally inviting it. Because their source of power is through constant warfare. It's how they maintain authority.
Let's put your scenario like this:
China gets permission to perform wartime operations in the United States from certain factions within the government. The operations are targeted at a rampant militia that has taken over Kansas and slayed everyone who is non-Baptist-Christian. Militia takes over the entire state and attempts to establish it's own state using weapons it obtained from invading military bases, and using money it obtained from sacking the banks. Militia sets up controls over the food supply, enslaves and rapes the women, and kills dissident men who will not join the cause.
China blows up their city as it's a stronghold and regretfully kills too many civilians who were not taking part in the occupation. Pisses some people off for sure. Not only has the militia taken everything from them, but the ensuing conflict has left someones family dead. He's lost and alone and wants no part in warfare. It's destroyed his life.
The Walmart one city over is full of people who are not about this militia, and whom haven't submitted to the new government propped up, a lone bomber who's been primed to martyrdom and has been convinced he will go to heaven for his actions goes in and blows them all up or shoots them all to keep them scared and to show them that they must submit or they and their loved ones will die by whatever means necessary.
That's a more apt comparison I'd think.
I know those savages have been killing in each for a long time.now for territory and power backed up by religious ideology ... Territory and power are the main concerns with religion used primearely to get new recruits. They have shit already to deal with , then cones the usa and proceeds to fuk shit up and kill more of them. If im fighting one on one and some axxhole jumps me im going to.be.mpre angry at him then the first person I was fighting with anyways. Usa is to take responsability for what is going on in the middle east thatsbfor sure.... Without the us the fighting would be contained in the middle east gtfo.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: Kinko]
#23498459 - 08/01/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like you said humans are blood thirsty by nature the middle east should have been left alone much like africa... Intervening in foreign affairs is retarded because of the back lash.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: shellzenone]
#23498468 - 08/01/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: What is racism anyway? I dont hate anyone or think less of them personally because of their race. I recognize that blacks have failed very badly, well Asians and European Caucasians have made decent societies. Genetics effect intellegence.
Race has nothing to do with intelligence. The reason you think 'blacks have failed' is because a vast majority of them are poor.
What does that have to do with the massive disproportional amount of crime they commit in the US and other parts of the world?
Why are the vast majority of them poor?
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: Ezuma]
#23498473 - 08/01/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: What is racism anyway? I dont hate anyone or think less of them personally because of their race. I recognize that blacks have failed very badly, well Asians and European Caucasians have made decent societies. Genetics effect intellegence.
Race has nothing to do with intelligence. The reason you think 'blacks have failed' is because a vast majority of them are poor.
exactly, also centuries of history don't disappear over night, especially when the potential for upward mobility isn't what it used to be
black people will be fine just give it another 80 years
Some said that 80 years ago, now what?
Why have other cultures of people recovered from similar or even worst histories?
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: qman]
#23498518 - 08/01/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: What is racism anyway? I dont hate anyone or think less of them personally because of their race. I recognize that blacks have failed very badly, well Asians and European Caucasians have made decent societies. Genetics effect intellegence.
Race has nothing to do with intelligence. The reason you think 'blacks have failed' is because a vast majority of them are poor.
exactly, also centuries of history don't disappear over night, especially when the potential for upward mobility isn't what it used to be
black people will be fine just give it another 80 years
Some said that 80 years ago, now what?
Why have other cultures of people recovered from similar or even worst histories?
many blacks are doing fine, those that aren't are largely poor, much like the groups of whites who are struggling. Ghetto culture isn't helping either.
what other cultural group are you referring to which has endured the same conditions as blacks and rebounded? Colonialists fucked the natives up, they're still fucked (more so than blacks imo), what other cultural or racial groups have been enslaved and systematically kept down for such a long time? Sure folks like the Irish have had a hard go, but the circumstances are nowhere near the same.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: Ezuma]
#23498570 - 08/01/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because Asia and Europe never had long histories of slavery? You don't think Africans were the only people to be enslaved do you? I'm sure most blacks believe that misinformation, I hope you don't.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23498580 - 08/01/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly, expecting an entire culture to thrive under free market conditions is nonsense. A lot of people don't do well in a business environment; it takes a certain kind of personality type to thrive in the private sector. But people who lack those qualities can succeed and contribute to society in other contexts. Many families' wealth is built up and maintained on public service. But by the same token, to work in the public sector, one has to have a certain comfort level and familiarity with the dominant culture (and family connections and guidance don't hurt either) that aren't often enjoyed by people whose parents and grandparents have had their legacies trampled into the dirt by that culture.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: Crystal G]
#23498597 - 08/01/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I'm sorry, I usually refrain from using this word in politics, but that is the cuckiest shit I've ever heard. Only a cuck would invite people in to attack and rape them, and then apologize about it afterward. That is by definition, a cuck.

kinko definitely got some cuck qualities
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: qman]
#23499751 - 08/01/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: Because Asia and Europe never had long histories of slavery? You don't think Africans were the only people to be enslaved do you? I'm sure most blacks believe that misinformation, I hope you don't.
no for sure others were enslaved, and endured horrible treatment... but I'm talking about in AMERICA not in africa or asia or any other irrelevant distant times and places. The situation with race in america is completely understandable imo given the history there. I'm not saying black people cant or shouldn't take responsibility for their own personal failures, but it is obvious the effects of slavery have still not dissipated fully -though they have been fading.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: shellzenone]
#23499846 - 08/01/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: Despite their good intentions, people will still think of all Muslims as terrorists... what a shame.
That wouldn't be an issue if the quran wasn't filled with things like....
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Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
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Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
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Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
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Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
I could go on and on and on....
What ISIS is, is an intensely accurate representation of the literal principles taught in the quran. Muhammad was a terrorist.
inb4 "bigot"
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: schwarg]
#23500270 - 08/01/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some of them will only realize the truth as they're falling off a building they were thrown off for their sexual orientation.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: schwarg]
#23500299 - 08/01/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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schwarg said: From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
What do you mean we know what Muhammad was doing based on the Hadith? The Hadith was written 150 years after Muhammad died. Even Muslim scholars acknowledge this.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: schwarg] 1
#23500451 - 08/02/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt you took the time to learn Hebrew, read the entire quaran and found those verses. A simple Google search can generate a similar list of violent verses in the bible as well: Exodus 32:27-29 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)
1 Samuel 15:3,8 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)
Etc, etc...
If you get your information from propaganda websites, you are practically blinding yourself (aka being a bigot)
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: shellzenone]
#23500460 - 08/02/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: I doubt you took the time to learn Hebrew, read the entire quaran and found those verses.
Hebrew?! You mean Arabic?
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: Crystal G]
#23500467 - 08/02/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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schwarg said: From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
What do you mean we know what Muhammad was doing based on the Hadith? The Hadith was written 150 years after Muhammad died. Even Muslim scholars acknowledge this.
It is well documented that Muhammad conducted raids on merchants traveling to and from Mecca.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_raids
The Hadith only pinpoints the time this verse was penned.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: schwarg]
#23500485 - 08/02/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not entirely sure what language it is, but supposedly they don't believe in translating the quaran
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: shellzenone]
#23500489 - 08/02/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: I'm not entirely sure what language it is, but supposedly they don't believe in translating the quaran
You're wrong. The Q'uran has been translated into over 100 different languages.
Why would they not believe in translating the Q'uran, they're all about spreading the religion into becoming the most popular in the world?
Not only that, but not all Muslim countries even speak Arabic, a lot of them speak Farsi or Urdu or Aramaic or other languages.
Bro please, you thought the Q'uran's original language was Hebrew for crying out loud, which is quite possibly the worst guess, seeing as how that's the national language of Jewish people. I think you can stop talking about Islam now.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: shellzenone]
#23500512 - 08/02/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Problem with your argument is you're citing the violence of the Old Testament, before both the New Testament and Reformation.
The violence of the quran is dictated in very general terms and IT IS the one and only revelation. There are no conflicting doctrines here, it's clear what Muhammad intended.
How about we compare the figureheads of the respective religions so we can see how their teachings manifested themselves by way of their truest practitioners:
You have Jesus who is basically a pacifist hippie and then you have Muhammad who spreads his doctrines by the sword. Pretty well established.
Listen I'm not trying to give legitimacy to Christianity, I think it's fucking ludicrous. But I acknowledge the fact that in it's current modern form, it attempts to teach virtue through peace and love. Islam has never had a reformation so it's adherents are essentially choosing how much legitimacy they want to give to their prophet who is basically Khal'Drogo.
If being bigoted means expressing an opinion that goes against the PC meme of: "ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUALLY AS GOOD/BAD, NO EXCEPTIONS." Then fuck yeah I am.
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Re: France church attack: Muslims attend Mass in solidarity with Christians. [Re: schwarg]
#23500533 - 08/02/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: Despite their good intentions, people will still think of all Muslims as terrorists... what a shame.
That wouldn't be an issue if the quran wasn't filled with things like....
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Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
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Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
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Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
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Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
I could go on and on and on....
What ISIS is, is an intensely accurate representation of the literal principles taught in the quran. Muhammad was a terrorist.
inb4 "bigot"
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 "If there arise among you a prophet, ... saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them...And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death...So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee...."
1 Corinthians 10:20-21 "But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."
Revelation 2:9: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Exodus 22:20: "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."
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