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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
    #23498294 - 08/01/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this isn't a scientific claim. I suppose you could try to think of everything in pictures and see how far that gets you

You could also go see how many animals can have any sort of deep discussion about anything before realizing that animals are really stupid. I mean seriously,hey ar unbearably stupid. Some would say that that its evolution, and they evolved certain kinds of intelligence. Really, we are just so far beyond them that its almost impossible to even sympathies with them, so we ascribe them human traits


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23498326 - 08/01/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Serious question, are you drunk/really high most of the time you post here?

"I dont think you think much about it, but what can be conveyed and therefor conceptualized in thought with the noises of animaos as opposed to say, modern English, are magnitudes apart. The differance beween modern and ancient language alone is huge. Animals dont speak in languages though. A language is a differant thing then then the noises of a cat."

Okay? I don't see how this relates to all life being sacred or making us more important than those species to anything besides us which is what my point was.

"So, because humans came up with concepts they can be dismissed? That somehow makes them unreal?"

I don't see how you got that from me saying that human bias causes us to feel more important then any other type of life form(which is natural and normal, to me I feel more important then anything that isn't me) solely because we're human when objectively all life is clearly equally disposable and not special, but no just because humans come up with concepts doesn't mean they can just be dismissed or makes them unreal, but that also doesn't mean they're right depending on what those concepts are.

"I know the universe wont stop over human, or any other death. If e have to cme to some objective, non human created standard of value, there is none. That is a supid way to think and goes nowhere."

I agree.

"Fuck ya, Im more valuable then a mouse, and more valuable then you too"

That's the beauty of subjective experience, you can place as much value on anything you want and pretend to be as valuable as you want since how valuable anything is, is nothing more then an opinion, even if the opinion happens to be shared by many people.


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23498345 - 08/01/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this isn't a scientific claim. I suppose you could try to think of everything in pictures and see how far that gets you

You could also go see how many animals can have any sort of deep discussion about anything before realizing that animals are really stupid. I mean seriously,hey ar unbearably stupid. Some would say that that its evolution, and they evolved certain kinds of intelligence. Really, we are just so far beyond them that its almost impossible to even sympathies with them, so we ascribe them human traits






since language is largely a biological mechanism, yes you are making a scientific claim, especially considering there is evidence (dolphins, crows/birds) showing many other species have languages, verbal and/or non-verbal


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
    #23501402 - 08/02/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont think you think much about it, but what can be conveyed and therefor conceptualized in thought with the noises of animaos as opposed to say, modern English, are magnitudes apart. The differance beween modern and ancient language alone is huge. Animals dont speak in languages though. A language is a differant thing then then the noises of a cat.







do you have any evidence to support this claim?



Evidence that cat growls are nothing like language? Um I'm not going to bother helping you find out about that because its just common knowledge. Its true that dolphins and some apes push the boundaries of vocalization vs. language, but seriously if you just prefer to be a hippy thats fine. But this is science not philosophy


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23501470 - 08/02/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont think you think much about it, but what can be conveyed and therefor conceptualized in thought with the noises of animaos as opposed to say, modern English, are magnitudes apart. The differance beween modern and ancient language alone is huge. Animals dont speak in languages though. A language is a differant thing then then the noises of a cat.







do you have any evidence to support this claim?



Evidence that cat growls are nothing like language? Um I'm not going to bother helping you find out about that because its just common knowledge. Its true that dolphins and some apes push the boundaries of vocalization vs. language, but seriously if you just prefer to be a hippy thats fine. But this is science not philosophy






:facepalm:  there is more to his claim than "noises of a cat." 


maybe you aren't aware, but many animals communicate through motion(s)


langauge isn't limited to audible sounds


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23501573 - 08/02/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I mean seriously,hey ar unbearably stupid. Some would say that that its evolution, and they evolved certain kinds of intelligence. Really, we are just so far beyond them that its almost impossible to even sympathies with them, so we ascribe them human traits




is a deaf person stupid for not hearing vocal conversations?

there are far far more animal traits applied to human behavior then vice versa.

since it is really hot here in the summer all the ravens hang in the park in the shade. while i was walking the dogs the other day they had a really cool chat between like 6 of them. they were assessing my threat level with the dogs, when 2 of them took off and immediately circled around they were agitated, i inferred it as "fuck still too hot out for flying, we are staying here".

humans don't give animals nearly enough credit, just because we farm and abuse them for food doesn't mean they are not majestic creatures.

human ego, is too enforced to be equal, always must be a rung on the ladder above something, even when it is a complete farce.


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23501589 - 08/02/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The differance beween modern and ancient language alone is huge.
Fuck ya, Im more valuable then a mouse, and more valuable then you too





it isn't all that crazy, all the western languages are all derived from latin, that is a big portion of the spoken word in the world all coming from one place. i would be curious of an honest assessment of people's worth based off of meaningful things like knowledge of survival, navigation skills, sustainability, morals towards society, ect ect.

you might not be as valuable as you might think if you can't get the dumb animals to accept a symbiotic relationship with you built on trust and communication.


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23518946 - 08/07/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was banned, so this is a bump, and I inly skimmed, beause Im annoyed
just look at the emoton meter, it knows.


no life is sacred. Sacred has no meaning

What and how we conseptualize abstract thoughts now, as opposed to hundreds of years ago is increadabloy differant. we have ideas and thoughts now that are far out of the way of any midevil or ancient man

animals cant conceptualize trust or syboles. They are trying to get fed. The lov they show, well cute and copelling, is hollow and meangless

it isnt about giving animals credit. Their brains are less dense, neurologically. They have less neurons per amount of brain matter. Without words your mind doesnt have the tools to talk to itself to form an identity or make complex discisions based on multiple facts, as far as i see. Maybe there are other ways of thinking, but I cant understnd it.


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23518954 - 08/07/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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it isnt about giving animals credit. Their brains are less dense, neurologically. They have less neurons per amount of brain matter.





it's disturbing how often this has to be repeated:  HUMANS ARE ANIMALS


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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
    #23518982 - 08/07/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We are also animals, but e have key features like language which people take for granted, and assume that animals have more goin on in their minds then behavior would inply. The next step on this relitevictic idea chain is when they say they just think 'differantly'

I really dont believe dolpens are smarter then humans. I dont think the idea, even Joe Rogan espouses, that they dont need to manipulate their environment precludes them from our standards

They could notice, and should, our environmental devstation and maybe indicate their distress. They dont. The dignity of a human and an animal, any animal, and the amount of free will we have seems vastly differant to me


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