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The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense
#23496800 - 07/31/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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People die in wars. It happens, kind of the nature of war. But what if you give your life in a war that's wrong? If I jumped in front of the bayonette of a Nazi soldier to save a Jewish baby from death is my sacrifice REALLY equal to a guy who joined the Army because he was a total loser and got popped in the nogin during our occupation of Iraq?
We pull the plug on our loved-ones because it "isn't natural" to be kept alive that way, but if a baby is born with a weird life-threatening deformity suddenly we will move heaven and earth and use all means necessary to save it. Even when we KNOW the child will be too fucked up to survive long-term, we will make that poor little fucker go through hell just so his little heart keeps beating for one more day.
I personally think that somebody who holds someone in their basement and tortures them for a few weeks, then lets them go, should be punished more harshly than a murderer. When you extinguish a life, its over. The person doesn't suffer for very long (relative to the lenght of a lifetime), the family members get to remember their kin in rose-colored light, and if the murderer goes to jail, they basically get closure.
But a torture victim? Their life has been totally ruined, effectively the person they were before the incident is dead anyway. They go to therapy, they take drugs, none of it really works. Maybe they start self-medicating. Maybe they start getting violent and get kicked out of their home or end up in jail. Their family members watch as the person they cared about slowly crumbles away and a hollow husk is left behind. Instead of one horrible day when they get the news "I'm sorry, but hes dead," every day he dies another kind of death, day after day a horror that is left unsaid out of respect is perpetrated.
So that little sparkle of life, whats it really worth? Obviously I'm not speaking of monetary value, it has no real price in that regard. But is every heartbeat sacred? I postulate its not
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: bloodsheen] 1
#23496815 - 07/31/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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it depends on the outlook of the torture victim. i could understand that some would prefer an end to it all, but i would imagine that some people survive it and appreciate life even more. having never experienced torture myself, i can't really claim to have a dog in the fight
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: bloodsheen]
#23497177 - 07/31/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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life is life. killing a person, a bear, a deer, a squirrel, an opossum, a mouse/rat, a mink, a bee, a fly, a tree, and so on....life is life....taking life is taking life
i'm not saying to not fight bacterial infections, or to not kill a tick or mosquito or brown recluse or rattlesnake. but taking life is taking life and no life is of more value than any other. the individual, in most circumstances with the often exception of children, will value their life more than most/all others
and yes, i eat meat, supporting the meat industry
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
#23497216 - 07/31/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sentient life that can contemplate its existance is what is important. things with language capacity, primates. People who equate animal life to human are complete morons. Life is precious though.
Its easy to say it isnt, untill its your turn. Maybe your life does mean nothing to you, in which case, it wuld have been nice if you would have died sooner so we dont have to deal with your negative garbage.
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23497228 - 07/31/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Sentient life that can contemplate its existance is what is important. things with language capacity, primates. People who equate animal life to human are complete morons. Life is precious though.
Its easy to say it isnt, untill its your turn. Maybe your life does mean nothing to you, in which case, it wuld have been nice if you would have died sooner so we dont have to deal with your negative garbage.
anthropocentric garbage
there's no negativity in my post but some in yours
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
#23497236 - 07/31/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My advice- go ride a bike.
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
#23497250 - 07/31/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ByCoverOfNight said: My advice- go ride a bike.
no thanks
i prefer ending the lives of trees, especially douglas fir, en masse, then setting them on fire when it's the appropriate time
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
#23497255 - 07/31/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck ya Im anthropocentric. This phenomenon I see of people/hating people is disgusting, If you dont like being human, well, I would get banned if I gave my suggestion.
People take for granted language and civilization. People who dont have the ability to think at all, as its the only explanation, think animals have experiences even remotely similar to ours. They cant even contemplate that their is a future, or describe how something makes them feel in their minds.
Im spaking generally. This has become a type of person im subjected to every so often now.
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23497266 - 07/31/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Fuck ya Im anthropocentric. This phenomenon I see of people/hating people is disgusting, If you dont like being human, well, I would get banned if I gave my suggestion.
People take for granted language and civilization. People who dont have the ability to think at all, as its the only explanation, think animals have experiences even remotely similar to ours. They cant even contemplate that their is a future, or describe how something makes them feel in their minds.
Im spaking generally. This has become a type of person im subjected to every so often now.
where are you inferring, from my previous post, that i don't like being human? why do you think your life is any more valuable than another, outside of the fact that YOU are the experienc-er, and not the experienc-ed?
what makes you think non-human animals can't contemplate a future? you are aware significant portions of animals cache, right? as far as describing things/emotions, you are aware of gorillas learning sign-language and expressing THEIR EMOTIONS in a format humans can understand, right? i think you are highly un-/misinformed, based on your statements. just because a non-human animal doesn't speak human langauge, does not mean it does not have language.
are you aware of chimpanzees waging literal war on neighboring tribes, when resources (food, water, land) are running scarce compared to their rapidly growing population? fashioning weapons, etc...
edit: do you think humans are the apex of species?
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
#23497393 - 08/01/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Humans fell into the shadow of the past and master what is behind them to teach but teaching to me seems only to be give and take
I saw a video of primates adopting a dog that would guard them just belt barking
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: Buckthorn]
#23497495 - 08/01/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even if some animals can show some very intelligent behaviors, is that our only reason to protect an animal? Pigs are as smart as dogs and we slaughter them by the millions for food. Where is the line drawn and why?
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: bloodsheen]
#23497528 - 08/01/16 02:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every life that is important to me is holier then God . All other life could go fuck off for all I care
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: demiu5]
#23497672 - 08/01/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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demiu5 said:
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specialpeopleclub said: Fuck ya Im anthropocentric. This phenomenon I see of people/hating people is disgusting, If you dont like being human, well, I would get banned if I gave my suggestion.
People take for granted language and civilization. People who dont have the ability to think at all, as its the only explanation, think animals have experiences even remotely similar to ours. They cant even contemplate that their is a future, or describe how something makes them feel in their minds.
Im spaking generally. This has become a type of person im subjected to every so often now.
where are you inferring, from my previous post, that i don't like being human? why do you think your life is any more valuable than another, outside of the fact that YOU are the experienc-er, and not the experienc-ed?
what makes you think non-human animals can't contemplate a future? you are aware significant portions of animals cache, right? as far as describing things/emotions, you are aware of gorillas learning sign-language and expressing THEIR EMOTIONS in a format humans can understand, right? i think you are highly un-/misinformed, based on your statements. just because a non-human animal doesn't speak human langauge, does not mean it does not have language.
are you aware of chimpanzees waging literal war on neighboring tribes, when resources (food, water, land) are running scarce compared to their rapidly growing population? fashioning weapons, etc...
edit: do you think humans are the apex of species?
I mentioned primates, as they can loearn language.
Laguage is a pattern. If another spoke a language we could at the very east deterie it is a language, and we could probably decypher it.
Without language, you cant contmplate anything. You cant have an identity.
Yes, humans are the apex species. We are by far the smartest, and controll our environment. The depth of even the experiance of a really stuid human is infinitely grater then most animals
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23497699 - 08/01/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All life is equally disposable.
People and animals alike naturally have biases towards what life is more important then others, whether they think the people in their country are more important then other countries, whether they think pigs arent as special as dogs because they dont own a pig as a pet, killing some bugs without thinking about it while thinking others aren't so bad or are helpful in some way, the list is endless
I truly believe anyone who says all life is sacred arent very introspective or know themselves that well because everybody plays favorites and has a bias to some degree, its blatantly obvious just by looking around at the world around us. Human life has the illusion of being greater then other life, but thats also just a bias because we are human and we claim that it is and almost everybody noticeably plays favorites when it comes to human life too
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23497806 - 08/01/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its quantifiable why humans are better. That's relativity, specie sism, the ida that we only think we are important because of some illusion, isn't introspective. This idea is nothng but fake intellectualism by arm chair philosophers. Its literally the most retarded thing I hear
Animals cant speak, so animals cant conceptualize. If you cant conceptualize, I really have doubts you are even conscious.
If someone were to say to me that I an a mouse are worth the same, and its only an illusion that makes me somehow put myself above them, well, i have arguments. Id probably just choose to tell them what a retard3ed relativistic thinker they aren't, because its obvious they dont think. They just project their sad views and the toxic nihilism that comes from secular morality in the hands of normal people
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23497817 - 08/01/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said:
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demiu5 said:
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specialpeopleclub said: Fuck ya Im anthropocentric. This phenomenon I see of people/hating people is disgusting, If you dont like being human, well, I would get banned if I gave my suggestion.
People take for granted language and civilization. People who dont have the ability to think at all, as its the only explanation, think animals have experiences even remotely similar to ours. They cant even contemplate that their is a future, or describe how something makes them feel in their minds.
Im spaking generally. This has become a type of person im subjected to every so often now.
where are you inferring, from my previous post, that i don't like being human? why do you think your life is any more valuable than another, outside of the fact that YOU are the experienc-er, and not the experienc-ed?
what makes you think non-human animals can't contemplate a future? you are aware significant portions of animals cache, right? as far as describing things/emotions, you are aware of gorillas learning sign-language and expressing THEIR EMOTIONS in a format humans can understand, right? i think you are highly un-/misinformed, based on your statements. just because a non-human animal doesn't speak human langauge, does not mean it does not have language.
are you aware of chimpanzees waging literal war on neighboring tribes, when resources (food, water, land) are running scarce compared to their rapidly growing population? fashioning weapons, etc...
edit: do you think humans are the apex of species?
I mentioned primates, as they can loearn language.
Laguage is a pattern. If another spoke a language we could at the very east deterie it is a language, and we could probably decypher it.
Without language, you cant contmplate anything. You cant have an identity.
Yes, humans are the apex species. We are by far the smartest, and controll our environment. The depth of even the experiance of a really stuid human is infinitely grater then most animals
You are a simpleton it has been proven dolphins are smarter than humans .
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#23497870 - 08/01/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Its quantifiable why humans are better. That's relativity, specie sism, the ida that we only think we are important because of some illusion, isn't introspective. This idea is nothng but fake intellectualism by arm chair philosophers. Its literally the most retarded thing I hear
Animals cant speak, so animals cant conceptualize. If you cant conceptualize, I really have doubts you are even conscious.
If someone were to say to me that I an a mouse are worth the same, and its only an illusion that makes me somehow put myself above them, well, i have arguments. Id probably just choose to tell them what a retard3ed relativistic thinker they aren't, because its obvious they dont think. They just project their sad views and the toxic nihilism that comes from secular morality in the hands of normal people
what do you mean they can't speak?
are you being serious?
birds speak to one another, foxes and cats speak to one another, dolphins speak to one another.
virtually all animals have language. just because not all have a vocalized language, or a vocalized language humans can understand, is by no means proof of a lack of language.

dolphins have proven to be more intelligent than humans, and i believe crows are close if not above us based on intellect.
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SirShroomsAlott said: All life is equally disposable.
People and animals alike naturally have biases towards what life is more important then others, whether they think the people in their country are more important then other countries, whether they think pigs arent as special as dogs because they dont own a pig as a pet, killing some bugs without thinking about it while thinking others aren't so bad or are helpful in some way, the list is endless
I truly believe anyone who says all life is sacred arent very introspective or know themselves that well because everybody plays favorites and has a bias to some degree, its blatantly obvious just by looking around at the world around us. Human life has the illusion of being greater then other life, but thats also just a bias because we are human and we claim that it is and almost everybody noticeably plays favorites when it comes to human life too
i don't really think life is "sacred" as that is merely a human construct. i think life is life; all life is equal because life is life. that doesn't mean one can't create bias within that realm, nor does it take away from the statement if one chooses to enact a bias
good post
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: Kinko]
#23497871 - 08/01/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Its quantifiable why humans are better. That's relativity, specie sism, the ida that we only think we are important because of some illusion, isn't introspective. This idea is nothng but fake intellectualism by arm chair philosophers. Its literally the most retarded thing I hear
Animals cant speak, so animals cant conceptualize. If you cant conceptualize, I really have doubts you are even conscious.
If someone were to say to me that I an a mouse are worth the same, and its only an illusion that makes me somehow put myself above them, well, i have arguments. Id probably just choose to tell them what a retard3ed relativistic thinker they aren't, because its obvious they dont think. They just project their sad views and the toxic nihilism that comes from secular morality in the hands of normal people
It's quantifiable by standards we implemented, it's human bias, technically no life is any more special then any other, we just have the means to make other animals our bitch so to speak without care because they aren't us, that doesn't mean life can't have meaning but it's meaning is nothing more then whatever you choose it to be, people's meaning and purpose in life is clearly subjective and based on their life experience and what they've been exposed to throughout their life and I really don't know how anyone could deny that. You are human therefore you find being human better, use whatever reasoning you want whether it's technology or standard of living or whatever, doesn't mean we're any more important (objectively anyway, obviously we find ourselves more important because well....they're not us), more advanced yes but not more important because just like all 99.99% of species that have existed before us and are now extinct, we too will become extinct and forgotten in time, all life is equally disposable.
I said people who consider all life sacred aren't introspective enough to realize their own biases towards certain life forms because everyone and everything considers some type of life more important then other kinds so the idea that all life is equally sacred is silly to me considering all life is clearly disposable based on nothing more then the history of life itself.
We put ourselves above other animals such as mice and feel more important, it's hard wired into us like most mammals in order to survive by putting ourselves and our species above the rest, there's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't mean we actually are, but then again we're the ones setting that standard for that so in some sense you could say we are. Won't stop me from feeling more important than most creatures/animals and even some people but that doesn't change the reality of it. Are you saying morality isn't subjective? Because if there is objective morality I'd love to know what it is or how we could possibly know what it is without using fairytales from antiquity to do so.
Btw I've noticed you use the "most retarded thing I've ever heard" with basically every single thing you disagree with, that's a dangerous mindset to have thinking you always have the right answer to everything you have an opinion on and anything else is stupid, there's no room for growth or change with that type of mindset, instead you should just explain why they might be wrong and hey, maybe you could even change their mind especially if you're not aggressive about it, just saying.
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23498234 - 08/01/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont think you think much about it, but what can be conveyed and therefor conceptualized in thought with the noises of animaos as opposed to say, modern English, are magnitudes apart. The differance beween modern and ancient language alone is huge. Animals dont speak in languages though. A language is a differant thing then then the noises of a cat.
So, because humans came up with concepts they can be dismissed? That somehow makes them unreal?
I know the universe wont stop over human, or any other death. If e have to cme to some objective, non human created standard of value, there is none. That is a supid way to think and goes nowhere.
Fuck ya, Im more valuable then a mouse, and more valuable then you too
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Re: The sanctity of life is a bunch of crazy non-sense [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said: I dont think you think much about it, but what can be conveyed and therefor conceptualized in thought with the noises of animaos as opposed to say, modern English, are magnitudes apart. The differance beween modern and ancient language alone is huge. Animals dont speak in languages though. A language is a differant thing then then the noises of a cat.
do you have any evidence to support this claim?
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