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InvisiblePaulyAnna
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Desire
    #23496446 - 07/31/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Where does is come from? Internally? Externally? Some other unknown dimension/vibration?

Who does it come from? Self? Higher/over self? Source? God? Christ/cosmic consciousness?

Does fate, determinism, free will, karma, or another philosophy come into play with any, all, or none of the above questions?

Other than the very basic and essential desire for things of survival, is desire for things (seen and unseen) eventually accompanied by sorrow for the desire: 1) not being fulfilled, 2) being fulfilled but discontented, 3) being fulfilled but taken away?

Is Nirvana really possible? Is it experienced increasingly? Or unobtainable but should ideally be sought out and strived for?


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Re: Desire [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23496469 - 07/31/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Should we submit an essay of 500 words on each topic queried?

Most all desires are biological. The End.


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Re: Desire [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23496477 - 07/31/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Any input is appreciated, thanks for yours.


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Re: Desire [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23496554 - 07/31/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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PaulyAnna said:
Where does is come from? Internally? Externally? Some other unknown dimension/vibration?

Who does it come from? Self? Higher/over self? Source? God? Christ/cosmic consciousness?

Does fate, determinism, free will, karma, or another philosophy come into play with any, all, or none of the above questions?

Other than the very basic and essential desire for things of survival, is desire for things (seen and unseen) eventually accompanied by sorrow for the desire: 1) not being fulfilled, 2) being fulfilled but discontented, 3) being fulfilled but taken away?

Is Nirvana really possible? Is it experienced increasingly? Or unobtainable but should ideally be sought out and strived for?




Desire comes from intuition, instinct and the fight or flight response that we have as a result of our evolutionary ancestry.

Philosophies are there for you to make your own meanings.

My own kind of nirvana came when I learnt to ignore my feelings through awareness and acknowledgement that it's okay to let go of feelings because they're often not based in reality.


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Re: Desire [Re: sudly]
    #23496611 - 07/31/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You are a meaningful, designed, purposeful and magnificent being, or so you inhabit one.

(The world is just in a state of cataclysmic failure.)

So you can modify your consciousness such that the thing which is truly sought, the Self, manifests in your body-mind - you align with the frequency of God.

Generally a moral effort is required. You must discipline yourself to some degree, largely because we are raised wrong.

Of course God is always true, is the ego that is at play. God doesn't play, God is just God - beautiful, infinite.

So really, any austerities you put yourself through, are essentially a deconditioning process, freeing yourself of the conditions put into your mind/life by society.

Desire is just emptiness, an emptiness that longs for God, but haplessly we try to love ourselves through base sensation.

Be consumed by God and find yourself desireless, but motivated into fruiting your talents through acts of giving instead of taking.


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Re: Desire [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23496700 - 07/31/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I am a biological meat robot and Jesus was just a man.


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Re: Desire [Re: sudly]
    #23497299 - 07/31/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
I am a biological meat robot and Jesus was just a man.





I'da put you on ignore long ago but you seem entertainingly completely delusional.  Can I call you looney, sudley? 

Gotta like it.



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Re: Desire [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23497317 - 07/31/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can't fight the truth forever :bottledup:


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Re: Desire [Re: sudly]
    #23497323 - 07/31/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
You can't fight the truth forever :bottledup:




Sad, but true.



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Re: Desire [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23497467 - 08/01/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Should we submit an essay of 500 words on each topic queried?

Most all desires are biological. The End.




OC, can you give me 500 on "Most all desires are biological. The End." ?


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Re: Desire [Re: sudly]
    #23497474 - 08/01/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:

My own kind of nirvana came when I learnt to ignore my feelings through awareness and acknowledgement that it's okay to let go of feelings because they're often not based in reality.




Concerning your kinda nirvana, I like how you put it. . . pretty simple.


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Re: Desire [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23497480 - 08/01/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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beforethedawn said:
You are a meaningful, designed, purposeful and magnificent being, or so you inhabit one.

(The world is just in a state of cataclysmic failure.)

So you can modify your consciousness such that the thing which is truly sought, the Self, manifests in your body-mind - you align with the frequency of God.

Generally a moral effort is required. You must discipline yourself to some degree, largely because we are raised wrong.

Of course God is always true, is the ego that is at play. God doesn't play, God is just God - beautiful, infinite.

So really, any austerities you put yourself through, are essentially a deconditioning process, freeing yourself of the conditions put into your mind/life by society.

Desire is just emptiness, an emptiness that longs for God, but haplessly we try to love ourselves through base sensation.

Be consumed by God and find yourself desireless, but motivated into fruiting your talents through acts of giving instead of taking.




Summarizing most of what you said, does Psalm 37:3-5 apply?


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Re: Desire [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23497623 - 08/01/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like it does.

I like your signature.

:laugh:


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Re: Desire [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23497804 - 08/01/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

#edit

Edited by zzripz (08/01/16 08:33 AM)

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Re: Desire [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23497829 - 08/01/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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PaulyAnna said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Should we submit an essay of 500 words on each topic queried?

Most all desires are biological. The End.




OC, can you give me 500 on "Most all desires are biological. The End." ?





Tired - you sleep

Horny - you ****

Thirsty - you drink

Hungry - you eat

Cold - you get a blanket or a coat


That covers the basic desires.


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Re: Desire [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23497849 - 08/01/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

there is a primordial desire which is natural and which loves and desires life and all that that means, wonder, beauty, sex, ecstasy

But the toxic myth-makers, as they do, exploit this natural desire towards whatever it is they are selling to control you, make profit from you. So they will thus have it to make  you 'desire' the 'god' or 'God' or 'idea' or 'product' they are claiming is what will satisfy your desire. They will make it so they hook you to always seeking but not really being allowed to express your desire because they want you hooked to their product for life.

This article below is a very good example of what I am saying. It shows how women, especially in Africa, have their natural desires suppressed. Women also suffer actual genital mutilation of the sexual parts! Toxic myth is not only aimed at the psyche but will attack your very body!! males get 'circumcised'.

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Trapped in the closet: Why sexual pleasure and the erotic remain locked away

Many patriarchal cultures in Africa force women to suppress the erotic since it is not deemed to be good behaviour for women to desire or to express their sexuality and sexual pleasure. Culture has even made talking about sex and pleasure taboo, especially for women.



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Re: Desire [Re: zzripz]
    #23500897 - 08/02/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

PaulyAnna said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Should we submit an essay of 500 words on each topic queried?

Most all desires are biological. The End.




OC, can you give me 500 on "Most all desires are biological. The End." ?





Tired - you sleep

Horny - you ****

Thirsty - you drink

Hungry - you eat

Cold - you get a blanket or a coat


That covers the basic desires.



So, it probably starts and ends at the cellular level?


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Re: Desire [Re: zzripz]
    #23500957 - 08/02/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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zzripz said:
But the toxic myth-makers, as they do, exploit this natural desire towards whatever it is they are selling to control you, make profit from you. So they will thus have it to make  you 'desire' the 'god' or 'God' or 'idea' or 'product' they are claiming is what will satisfy your desire. They will make it so they hook you to always seeking but not really being allowed to express your desire because they want you hooked to their product for life.







What if the only place you experience that "god feeling" is in nature, in a place without anyone trying to sell you anything, and not trying to control you?

If you view most religions adherents as deceivers only trying to sell their faith, there to feed on those that drink from its waters like a croc waiting to attack a wildebeest at waters edge, and you wander nature alone to find solace, then the burning bush appears, and after such an event takes place your life is forever changed, what then?

If you take psychedelics, and angelic beings show you the future, and those events come to pass without any deviation from what was told, what then?  What if after such a psychedelic experience you could access the same state of mind psychedelics allow one to access, without using psychedelics, without meditation, with just a thought.

I don't know man, but I have seen some things which I cannot explain rationally, from people with sound minds.  I have seen the results of a handful of what I think were legitimate spiritual experiences, and the peoples lives they impacted, really did improve for the better, and were forever changed, and just being around those people makes one feel uplifted.


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Re: Desire [Re: Lucis]
    #23501104 - 08/02/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Fennario said:
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zzripz said:
But the toxic myth-makers, as they do, exploit this natural desire towards whatever it is they are selling to control you, make profit from you. So they will thus have it to make  you 'desire' the 'god' or 'God' or 'idea' or 'product' they are claiming is what will satisfy your desire. They will make it so they hook you to always seeking but not really being allowed to express your desire because they want you hooked to their product for life.







What if the only place you experience that "god feeling" is in nature, in a place without anyone trying to sell you anything, and not trying to control you?

If you view most religions adherents as deceivers only trying to sell their faith, there to feed on those that drink from its waters like a croc waiting to attack a wildebeest at waters edge, and you wander nature alone to find solace, then the burning bush appears, and after such an event takes place your life is forever changed, what then?

If you take psychedelics, and angelic beings show you the future, and those events come to pass without any deviation from what was told, what then?  What if after such a psychedelic experience you could access the same state of mind psychedelics allow one to access, without using psychedelics, without meditation, with just a thought.

I don't know man, but I have seen some things which I cannot explain rationally, from people with sound minds.  I have seen the results of a handful of what I think were legitimate spiritual experiences, and the peoples lives they impacted, really did improve for the better, and were forever changed, and just being around those people makes one feel uplifted.




I can gell with your first sentence.

But in the second paragraph you introduce the mythical story of the 'burning bush'. This is supposedly some character from way back when:
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Moses and the Burning Bush Story Summary

While tending his father-in-law Jethro's sheep in the land of Midian, Moses saw a baffling sight on Mount Horeb. A bush was on fire, but it did not burn up. Moses went over to the burning bush to investigate, and the voice of God called to him.

God explained that he had seen how miserable his chosen people, the Hebrews, were in Egypt, where they were being held as slaves. God had come down from heaven to rescue them. He picked Moses to carry out that task.




Now we have gone from nature to someone claiming a 'voice' who is also claimed to be 'God' no less, talking about a section of humanity 'he' is calling his 'chosen people'. ?? Are you going to accept this story? Are you not going to question it, using your own critical integrity?
I don't know if a 'Mises' even existed, but whatever, just because someone calims a vision, experience does not mean that MUST be the truth imposed on others. That kind of 'revealed' religion is toxic. So much evil has come from stuff like this which of course gets writ down and poisons generations of those indoctrinated into it
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If you take psychedelics, and angelic beings show you the future, and those events come to pass without any deviation from what was told, what then?  What if after such a psychedelic experience you could access the same state of mind psychedelics allow one to access, without using psychedelics, without meditation, with just a thought.




Has this happened to you?

The whole origins of the idea of 'angelic' beings' versus 'demonic' beings where the former are supposed to ba all-good and the latter all-bad comes from a dualistic mindset which divides the world up into good and evil

Also, you don't have to be TOLD the 'future' you can see now how if the insanity towards the natural world and others continues it will become more and more hellish for all life, not just a 'chosen people'!
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I don't know man, but I have seen some things which I cannot explain rationally, from people with sound minds.  I have seen the results of a handful of what I think were legitimate spiritual experiences, and the peoples lives they impacted, really did improve for the better, and were forever changed, and just being around those people makes one feel uplifted.




I am not a materialist or rationalist. But there is radical difference between believing in transcendental 'spirits' and understanding the 'matter' is dynamically related with 'spirit'

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Re: Desire [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23502837 - 08/02/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Should we submit an essay of 500 words on each topic queried?

Most all desires are biological. The End.




internal animal biology
plus
conditioning/ association/memory/karma/ habit/likes & dislikes
plus
individual personality & mental factors and beliefs
plus
ignorance/ego delusion
plus
environmental factors/food/chemicals consumed/temperature/sources of danger and opportunity, etc

A good does of heroin disconnects unconscious anxiety about getting what one wants - temporarily

Probably quayludes, and valium etc. also mitigate the compulsive nature of much goal seeking

Supposedly the 8 buddhist jhanas also disconnect desire - temporarily

But as long as we are alive the organism manifests purpose,
and consumes other life, and kills germs and parasites, which are evidence of individual desire.

How excessive, compulsive, arrogant, angry, and selfish our desires are is however susceptible to some conscious control when observed & subject to deliberate and persistent effort. Something some politicians don’t get.

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