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Why non-gay white males hate Hillary * 2
    #23496076 - 07/31/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I swear if the day comes when Hillary is elected president I'll begin writing the obituary for the US.

It's pretty funny to see how obtuse a presidential nominee is...she panders to every single group.... EVERY single group out there as long as it isn't a straight white male. And what happens when the question comes up?

Well she doesn't get their support because white men are sexist pigs obviously.... that's what I get from the blamestream media and I bet you ANY money that's pretty much Hillary's wisdom on the issue.

I reckon the straight white male who isn't born into a ton of money, who doesn't just walk into a well paid job after uni, is the only species out there largely living in the real world.... personally I blame unchecked, unopposed and corrupt feminist bodies out there for this mess.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: boilingpoint] * 1
    #23498565 - 08/01/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I love Hillary and I've never touched another dude's cock

Maybe you're just stupid and have been manipulated by a tabloid-grade organization


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: lurkmode] * 1
    #23498572 - 08/01/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That should get you banned.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Urmomma]
    #23498873 - 08/01/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've touched another dudes cock and I think Hillary I just don't like Hillary. She flip-flops too much and I don't trust her running this country. She should have been indicted. I would rather have Trump and I'm not even on the right. I'm more left libertarian.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Urmomma]
    #23499320 - 08/01/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That should get you banned.




It would if he was a conservative, progressives are allowed carte Blanche to act as vile and hostile as they wish, they can flame, troll, and harass, with impunity... That's just the way it is... Don't fight it, they'll ban you for it...


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23499346 - 08/01/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Urmomma said:
That should get you banned.




It would if he was a conservative, progressives are allowed carte Blanche to act as vile and hostile as they wish, they can flame, troll, and harass, with impunity... That's just the way it is... Don't fight it, they'll ban you for it...



Don't I know it.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Urmomma]
    #23500410 - 08/01/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The heterosexual white man is the new Jew.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: viktor] * 2
    #23501083 - 08/02/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

look, a gaggle of dumbfucks crying about shit ^^^


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: lurkmode] * 1
    #23502082 - 08/02/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I love Hillary and I've never touched another dude's cock

Maybe you're just stupid and have been manipulated by a tabloid-grade organization




you love Hillary eh? I have serious doubts that you are a straight guy then....or even a guy....merely the thought of her makes men's balls shrivel up - just look at what happened to Bill.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: boilingpoint] * 1
    #23504685 - 08/03/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you sound smart as fuck. which is surprising because you have to be a complete fucking retard to like a loser like Trump.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: lurkmode] * 1
    #23504716 - 08/03/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you sound smart as fuck. which is surprising because you have to be a complete fucking retard to like a loser like Trump.





Could you explain why you would have to be a complete fucking retard to like a loser like Trump? Or are people that don't agree with you just idiots?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy] * 1
    #23504727 - 08/03/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

he's a bullshit artist that lies constantly. you have to be a special kind of stupid to believe anything he says. but hey, I guess somebody has to buy the ocean front property in Arizona.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: lurkmode] * 1
    #23504762 - 08/03/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So you would also have to be a special kind of stupid to believe anything Hilary says then also, from what I understand trump wasn't under federal investigation for lying about and having an confidential email server in her basement. Not to mention the lies/ cover up of Benghazi, Clinton global initiative pay to play bull shit. It's a little odd when bill gets paid half a million dollars to speak in mosscow during the uranium one deal that Hilary had sitting on her desk during her state department term. Not to mention the millions that were " donated " to CGI from groups associated with uranium one. That's only one case, and now look Russia owns 20% of our uranium processed in America... Hmmmm what about Haiti? African warlords? Columbia? Lots of information that most Americans are to lazy to look into and just get info fed to them. Everyone has their right to vote, and have their own opinion, I won't bash anyone for not agreeing with me, but I will challenge you to check the facts.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy] * 1
    #23504790 - 08/03/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

don't you have some pokemon to catch?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: lurkmode]
    #23504800 - 08/03/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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don't you have some pokemon to catch?




Why You want him out playing Pokemon? Don't you wanna discuss these important issues with him?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: boilingpoint]
    #23504816 - 08/03/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bush or Bill,,, who was a better president for the economy and welfare of the people?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23504836 - 08/03/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For the economy bill! But it wasn't bushes fault during the housing crash oh 05


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23504840 - 08/03/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lurk mode can you please list some of the reasons you love Hillary. There are countless examples of the atrocities this woman as aided along


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23504866 - 08/03/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't get me wrong IMO all politics are corruption now a days, left right they all lie, they all cover up. That's why I like trump, he isn't a dirty politician, and he's not afraid to defend what our country was built upon. America is so fucked right now, you don't see the media feeding on this black white violence? Kinda odd that this kind of stuff is going on during a election huh? Especially with the "racist" trump. Honestly I couldn't care less who gets in, other then my conscience and morals. It's only going to end this country faster that's all


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23504900 - 08/03/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very true with with  either candidate winning both will expedite the loss of of the bankers and rogue elements that have been steering this nation. Speeding up as the cliff nears!!! I'm taking my seat belt off


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One must ask why they would be complicit in crimes against humanity? Is debt based money really worth whoring out your credibility for?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Maroon] * 1
    #23505027 - 08/03/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, definitely hate Trump more.
And our Hispanic friends will make sure his ass loses.
But we will just say the election is "rigged", right?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Maroon]
    #23505095 - 08/03/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Very true with with  either candidate winning both will expedite the loss of of the bankers and rogue elements that have been steering this nation. Speeding up as the cliff nears!!! I'm taking my seat belt off





^^^^^ very true!


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: GrandPoobah]
    #23505100 - 08/03/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, definitely hate Trump more.
And our Hispanic friends will make sure his ass loses.
But we will just say the election is "rigged", right?




Why do you hate him? Honestly no judgement.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23505165 - 08/03/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bush or Bill,,, who was a better president for the economy and welfare of the people?




Clinton, to his credit, was actually willing to work with a GOP congress, and our economy flourished. Obama, as you've noticed, is unwilling to work with his GOP congress and our economy is anemic...

When a president is a stubborn asshole, the people suffer


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23505245 - 08/03/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Clinton, to his credit, was actually willing to work with a GOP congress, and our economy flourished. Obama, as you've noticed, is unwilling to work with his GOP congress and our economy is anemic...

When a president is a stubborn asshole, the people suffer



Congress met Clinton half way.  Congress won't budge for Obama.  It's a different dynamic with a black person in charge.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23505286 - 08/03/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Clinton, to his credit, was actually willing to work with a GOP congress, and our economy flourished. Obama, as you've noticed, is unwilling to work with his GOP congress and our economy is anemic...

When a president is a stubborn asshole, the people suffer



Congress met Clinton half way.  Congress won't budge for Obama.  It's a different dynamic with a black person in charge.




Yeah, the bought and paid for Congress is racist for not working with the bought and paid for President. :facepalm: You do realize their corporate supporters are the very same people?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23505297 - 08/03/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

and when dems don't get their way, it's all about racism, that's such a chickenshit cop out


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23505332 - 08/03/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, the bought and paid for Congress is racist for not working with the bought and paid for President. :facepalm: You do realize their corporate supporters are the very same people?



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and when dems don't get their way, it's all about racism, that's such a chickenshit cop out



Ok, then you guys tell me why you think Congress used to meet the President half way before Obama.  :popcorn:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23505346 - 08/03/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, the bought and paid for Congress is racist for not working with the bought and paid for President. :facepalm: You do realize their corporate supporters are the very same people?



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and when dems don't get their way, it's all about racism, that's such a chickenshit cop out



Ok, then you guys tell me why you think Congress used to meet the President half way before Obama.  :popcorn:




I believe the term "Washington Gridlock" was used for decades before Obama came into office.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23505440 - 08/03/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the question should be, why is the president unwilling to work with GOP congress? He's not a dictator, he shouldn't just get everything he wants, should he?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23505506 - 08/03/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a believer in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". The last major action I remember from the GOP congress (because I don't pay that much attention) is their complete and utter refusal to even consider a new supreme court justice proposed by Obama. If I remember correctly, he proposed a very moderate candidate (so, ya know, far right to the rest of the world), and the GOP refused to even acknowledge the guy.

Something tells me that the GOP prefers a mindset of "well I'll just take my ball and go home then" lately. That guy was a shitty friend in my childhood, and now some of the most powerful people in the country are using the tactics of 8 year old children with no social skills. That's just sad.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23505861 - 08/03/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the question should be, why is the president unwilling to work with GOP congress? He's not a dictator, he shouldn't just get everything he wants, should he?



Obama always meets Congress half way. :shake:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23505870 - 08/03/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm a believer in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". The last major action I remember from the GOP congress (because I don't pay that much attention) is their complete and utter refusal to even consider a new supreme court justice proposed by Obama. If I remember correctly, he proposed a very moderate candidate (so, ya know, far right to the rest of the world), and the GOP refused to even acknowledge the guy.



:whathesaid:  :awesomenod:

A perfect example of how Obama meets Congress half way.  But Congress refuses to work with a black man (or someone tell me why else they won't work with him).


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23505885 - 08/03/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm a believer in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". The last major action I remember from the GOP congress (because I don't pay that much attention) is their complete and utter refusal to even consider a new supreme court justice proposed by Obama. If I remember correctly, he proposed a very moderate candidate (so, ya know, far right to the rest of the world), and the GOP refused to even acknowledge the guy.

Something tells me that the GOP prefers a mindset of "well I'll just take my ball and go home then" lately. That guy was a shitty friend in my childhood, and now some of the most powerful people in the country are using the tactics of 8 year old children with no social skills. That's just sad.





Do you really think Obama wanted the SCJ seat filled? He's out of a job in another half a year. And who better to fill that spot but himself, which he will have if the evil woman gets in. Yet that will be the least of our troubles


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23505895 - 08/03/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If Obama didn't want the position filled, he'd have nominated a liberal, but instead he nominated someone right in the middle.  Republicans were fools not to accept.  I can't wait to see who Hillary gives us.  :smirk:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23505913 - 08/03/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wasn't it Obama who caused the last government shut down because of his socialist OBAMACARE... Is that called working with Congress, you tell me how Obama got one of the biggest legislation passed since the new deal, when the whip and house was Republican majority during this time??? How could that happen if Obama "works with Congress" he doesn't and didn't.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23505922 - 08/03/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
I'm a believer in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". The last major action I remember from the GOP congress (because I don't pay that much attention) is their complete and utter refusal to even consider a new supreme court justice proposed by Obama. If I remember correctly, he proposed a very moderate candidate (so, ya know, far right to the rest of the world), and the GOP refused to even acknowledge the guy.



:whathesaid:  :awesomenod:

A perfect example of how Obama meets Congress half way.  But Congress refuses to work with a black man (or someone tell me why else they won't work with him).




So if something happens to Obama that YOU PERCEIVE that is different from others in similar circumstances, your first instinct is to claim racism?  It couldn't be any other possibility like "Washington gridlock"?  It has to be the racist WHITE members of Congress, or is it just white republicans? 

Wouldn't a person that claims racism without any valid reasons or proof the real actually racist?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23505944 - 08/03/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey and how's the Obama care working for everyone?? Real question. Why is our country's largest health insurance company backing out of obama care? Because it's costing them to lose money.

I'll tell you I sure hate working for a living and then get a fine taken out of my TAXES just because I don't want health insurance.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: boilingpoint]
    #23505958 - 08/03/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Level of education is also a factor. So non-gay white, lesser educated males tend to be the biggest haters of Hillary.

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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23506004 - 08/03/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Education doesn't equal intelligence

There's a hell of a lot of smart people out there who didn't get that way from college. But I know, liberals run colleges, so therefore anyone who didn't go is a fucking retard

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I'm a believer in the phrase "actions speak louder than words". The last major action I remember from the GOP congress (because I don't pay that much attention) is their complete and utter refusal to even consider a new supreme court justice proposed by Obama. If I remember correctly, he proposed a very moderate candidate (so, ya know, far right to the rest of the world), and the GOP refused to even acknowledge the guy.



:whathesaid:  :awesomenod:

A perfect example of how Obama meets Congress half way.  But Congress refuses to work with a black man (or someone tell me why else they won't work with him).




So if something happens to Obama that YOU PERCEIVE that is different from others in similar circumstances, your first instinct is to claim racism?  It couldn't be any other possibility like "Washington gridlock"?  It has to be the racist WHITE members of Congress, or is it just white republicans? 

Wouldn't a person that claims racism without any valid reasons or proof the real actually racist?




Yes, any criticism of Obama is racist, any opposition to his legislation is racist, nevermind Hillary proposed government takeover of healthcare as well, and republicans opposed it. No, it couldn't be becuase of ideological differences, it's always about "race" it really does make the left look absolutely clueless on their issues when all they do is cry like little babies about "racism"

The reason they can't debate these issues on substance is becuase they have none, their issues are losers for the majority of Americans. So they have to malign their opponents and scare their voters into thinking all sorts of stupid shit. There's a reason most "low info voters" are voting democrat


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Wasn't it Obama who caused the last government shut down because of his socialist OBAMACARE...



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Level of education is also a factor. So non-gay white, lesser educated males tend to be the biggest haters of Hillary.

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Yupp us uneducated southern cousin fuckers hate them damn gays and blacks! LMAO bro!!! If you can't have a debate about things without calling names and making crazy statements, then I'm sorry for you.

To Me it sounds like your just uninformed.


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So if something happens to Obama that YOU PERCEIVE that is different from others in similar circumstances, your first instinct is to claim racism?  It couldn't be any other possibility like "Washington gridlock"?



We've overcome gridlock before through compromise.  I'm asking why Congress won't compromise with Obama?

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It has to be the racist WHITE members of Congress, or is it just white republicans? 



White republicans.

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Wouldn't a person that claims racism without any valid reasons or proof the real actually racist?



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Wasn't it Obama who caused the last government shut down because of his socialist OBAMACARE...



No, that was Ted Cruz.




caused the last government shut down because of his socialist OBAMACARE...

He caused it with his health reform! cruise just lead the fight against the tyranny


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
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I'm loving Hilary more and more each time Trump opens his mouth.


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Level of education is also a factor. So non-gay white, lesser educated males tend to be the biggest haters of Hillary.

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Yupp us uneducated southern cousin fuckers hate them damn gays and blacks! LMAO bro!!! If you can't have a debate about things without calling names and making crazy statements, then I'm sorry for you.

To Me it sounds like your just uninformed.



Calling names? Did you read the title of this thread? There isn't much "debate" I stated fact. You can(have) come to your own conclusion.

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I'm loving Hilary more and more each time Trump opens his mouth.




So you don't mind the lies, dead body trails, corruption, abuse of power, dealing with nefarious characters and special interest groups to self enrich?


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Level of education is also a factor. So non-gay white, lesser educated males tend to be the biggest haters of Hillary.

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Yupp us uneducated southern cousin fuckers hate them damn gays and blacks! LMAO bro!!! If you can't have a debate about things without calling names and making crazy statements, then I'm sorry for you.

To Me it sounds like your just uninformed.



Calling names? Did you read the title of this thread? There isn't much "debate" I stated fact. You can(have) come to your own conclusion.

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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
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I will say that non gay white males like myself don't just hate Hilary because we are non gay white males.


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Wasn't it Obama who caused the last government shut down because of his socialist OBAMACARE...



No, that was Ted Cruz.




Actually, there is a perfect example of Obamas unwillingness to work with congress, he wouldn't negotiate any part of the ACA, which led to the shutdown

O knew he could shut down the government and his sychophant press would blame GOP regardless, it's a sick game he played and it only hurt taxpayers and many Americans, that's how little Obumble cares about anyone but himself


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So if something happens to Obama that YOU PERCEIVE that is different from others in similar circumstances, your first instinct is to claim racism?  It couldn't be any other possibility like "Washington gridlock"?



We've overcome gridlock before through compromise.  I'm asking why Congress won't compromise with Obama?

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It has to be the racist WHITE members of Congress, or is it just white republicans? 



White republicans.

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Wouldn't a person that claims racism without any valid reasons or proof the real actually racist?



Again, you tell me why else?




So the default answer is racism?  I have to say this type of reasoning is not characteristic of you at all, why such a radical theory to offer as an explanation to something you're not even sure about?

You're going down a very deep hole on this one, I'm surprised you think like this, you know it doesn't you make any better than the accused. :shrug:

Washington is governed by money not race, I thought you already understood that fact.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23506123 - 08/03/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, noone seems to address the points that I make, though people do like to quote me. Shiny. Let's toss another fact out there for shits and giggles, focused on race. Not even gonna bother adding a point this time, come up with your own.

America, currently, is 63.7% White, 16.3% Hispanic/Latino, 12.2% Black, 4.7% Asian, and the rest is Native American or mixed. The last RNC was 94% white, 5% Hispanic/Latino, and 1% Black. The last DNC was 50% White, 25% Black, 16% Hispanic/Latino, and 9% Asian/Native/Other.

Which party better reflects the demographics (and, by likely extension, ideals) of the United States?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506157 - 08/03/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, noone seems to address the points that I make, though people do like to quote me. Shiny. Let's toss another fact out there for shits and giggles, focused on race. Not even gonna bother adding a point this time, come up with your own.

America, currently, is 63.7% White, 16.3% Hispanic/Latino, 12.2% Black, 4.7% Asian, and the rest is Native American or mixed. The last RNC was 94% white, 5% Hispanic/Latino, and 1% Black. The last DNC was 50% White, 25% Black, 16% Hispanic/Latino, and 9% Asian/Native/Other.

Which party better reflects the demographics (and, by likely extension, ideals) of the United States?




What do you mean by "the last DNC was 50% White, 25% black..."?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23506171 - 08/03/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that was self explanatory. The last DNC, held in Philly, July 25-28 2016 (last week), had a demographic layout which was "50% white, 25% black..."


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
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America, currently, is 63.7% White, 16.3% Hispanic/Latino, 12.2% Black, 4.7% Asian, and the rest is Native American or mixed. The last RNC was 94% white, 5% Hispanic/Latino, and 1% Black. The last DNC was 50% White, 25% Black, 16% Hispanic/Latino, and 9% Asian/Native/Other.

Which party better reflects the demographics (and, by likely extension, ideals) of the United States?





Could you add a reliable source please? I think your numbers are a little off just a little. But you have a valid point!
Common sense would say the Democratic party being more racially diverse would make America more equal and fair, but why are we more divided than we have been in decades? Being we have had a black president for the last 8 years?


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    #23506195 - 08/03/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why since 2012 has the Hispanic vote estimated to raise 30% during this year's election? Do you think they are just now going to go vote and they just didn't care before? This is going to be the most ethnically and racially diverse election in history..... That's fishy


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23506203 - 08/03/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's because people that gain money and power from the race war, democrats, do not want the division to end, if it ends, so does their stranglehold on the minority communities. Divisive politics keep the the democrats in power and wealthy


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Why since 2012 has the Hispanic vote estimated to raise 30% during this year's election? Do you think they are just now going to go vote and they just didn't care before? This is going to be the most ethnically and racially diverse election in history..... That's fishy




Many states, blue states, have begun issuing drivers licenses to illegals, coincidentally, everyone with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote...


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It's because people that gain money and power from the race war, democrats, do not want the division to end, if it ends, so does their stranglehold on the minority communities. Divisive politics keep the the democrats in power and wealthy




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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506212 - 08/03/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Source for demographics of the US: 2010 census. Source for demographics of the RNC/DNC: Vox and Fusion, links here:
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/29/12295830/republican-democratic-delegates-diversity-nonwhite
http://fusion.net/story/330193/dnc-rnc-women-people-of-color-numbers/

Anyway, speaking of equality: This isn't a side effect of race. this is a side effect of the division of party politics over the last several years. See:
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/section-1-growing-ideological-consistency/pp-2014-06-12-polarization-1-01/

Just because we have a black president, doesn't mean we're over this whole racism thing (see, BLM). Republican and democrat ideologies have been steadily drifting towards the fringes over the last decade, leading to less compromise and more "take my ball and go home".

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It's because people that gain money and power from the race war, democrats, do not want the division to end, if it ends, so does their stranglehold on the minority communities. Divisive politics keep the the democrats in power and wealthy




Here is an example of taking their ball and going home. I'm not saying that only republicans are doing it, both sides blame the other for drifting toward the extremes. My demographic argument is simply that the republicans seem to have drifted right back into the pre-civil rights movement extreme.


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Many states, blue states, have begun issuing drivers licenses to illegals, coincidentally, everyone with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote...





So your saying we are letting illegal immigrants vote in our country??? But that's not fair!!! Why would they let that happen?


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I'm pretty sure that was self explanatory. The last DNC, held in Philly, July 25-28 2016 (last week), had a demographic layout which was "50% white, 25% black..."




So the people that attended the convention based on race is important to you?  It's meaningless.


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Why since 2012 has the Hispanic vote estimated to raise 30% during this year's election? Do you think they are just now going to go vote and they just didn't care before? This is going to be the most ethnically and racially diverse election in history..... That's fishy




Many states, blue states, have begun issuing drivers licenses to illegals, coincidentally, everyone with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote...




It's not like you need to be a US citizen to get drafted. I got my SS paperwork in the mail years before my citizenship was approved.

Though, I will happily contest the idea of "getting a DL automatically registers you to vote", because it doesn't here. I had to fill out several forms and sit in line for half a day to register. I'm almost surprised they didn't give me a literacy test, though I'm white, so...


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23506245 - 08/03/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Answer this question. What is the leading cause of African American deaths in the country of America?

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

Now answer me this who is behind that? Or is that just another women's rights subject?


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Ever heard of planned parenthood? Ever really looked behind the scenes?


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I'm pretty sure that was self explanatory. The last DNC, held in Philly, July 25-28 2016 (last week), had a demographic layout which was "50% white, 25% black..."




So the people that attended the convention based on race is important to you?  It's meaningless.




Well, now it is. Look back 15 posts, and race seemed pretty important...matter of fact, I think it was you that brought it up.

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Ever heard of planned parenthood? Ever really looked behind the scenes?




Yeah, they're awesome! They give me free condoms. Plus it's fun to watch the demonstrations when there's nothing good on TV, you know some old white guy is gonna act a fool and start swinging every time.


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I'm pretty sure that was self explanatory. The last DNC, held in Philly, July 25-28 2016 (last week), had a demographic layout which was "50% white, 25% black..."




So the people that attended the convention based on race is important to you?  It's meaningless.




As a black man who watched both conventions on tv, I would have felt more at home in Philly even though I grew up in Cleveland. Is my vote only based on that? No but Kryptos makes a good point. One convention looked fun the other had Scott Baio. The republican party has not kept up with time and can't last much longer in it's current form. Using fear to trick the naive into voting against their own best interest is not going to work as well on the people that the party is saying to fear.


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    #23506282 - 08/03/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

people hate liars.  I hate liars.  Bill clinton is a liar.  hillary clinton is a liar.  the only thing worse than a liar is a thief.


every shitty thing a person does is in some way stealing.  By lying you are stealing a persons right to truth.  Killing someone takes someone husband, son, wife etc.  " There is only one sin, only one. And that is theft. Every other sin is a variation of theft... When you kill a man, you steal a life. You steal his wife's right to a husband, rob his children of a father. When you tell a lie, you steal someone's right to the truth. When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness."


The only thing besides a liar and a thief i seriously dislike are passive aggressives.  I could write a book about things I dont like but Ill stop there before I get carried away.


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Here is an example of taking their ball and going home. I'm not saying that only republicans are doing it, both sides blame the other for drifting toward the extremes. My demographic argument is simply that the republicans seem to have drifted right back into the pre-civil rights movement extreme.




Can you give me even ONE example of a republican proposing a law that would put us "right back into the pre-civil rights" era?


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I may be a passive aggressive bastard, but I've lied less times in all my posts combined than any given 5 minute sound bite of Trump...and I've been posting for years.


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Here is an example of taking their ball and going home. I'm not saying that only republicans are doing it, both sides blame the other for drifting toward the extremes. My demographic argument is simply that the republicans seem to have drifted right back into the pre-civil rights movement extreme.




Can you give me even ONE example of a republican proposing a law that would put us "right back into the pre-civil rights" era?




Yeah, the voter ID laws that I referenced here:
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Why since 2012 has the Hispanic vote estimated to raise 30% during this year's election? Do you think they are just now going to go vote and they just didn't care before? This is going to be the most ethnically and racially diverse election in history..... That's fishy




Many states, blue states, have begun issuing drivers licenses to illegals, coincidentally, everyone with a drivers license is automatically registered to vote...




It's not like you need to be a US citizen to get drafted. I got my SS paperwork in the mail years before my citizenship was approved.

Though, I will happily contest the idea of "getting a DL automatically registers you to vote", because it doesn't here. I had to fill out several forms and sit in line for half a day to register. I'm almost surprised they didn't give me a literacy test, though I'm white, so...




Of course, many have been struck down as unconstitutional in the last few months, but it only seems to be something that happens in red states.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506311 - 08/03/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23506315 - 08/03/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope, definitely hate Trump more.
And our Hispanic friends will make sure his ass loses.
But we will just say the election is "rigged", right?




Why do you hate him? Honestly no judgement.




He is a biggot and represents a real shitty side of Americans. Everybody loves the guy because he speaks his mind and isnt afraid to stick it to politicians, but those same people can't see all the shit he spews at the same time. He capitalizes on feelings when logic gets punted out the window.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506326 - 08/03/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And that is putting us back into pre cival rights era?
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Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?




And that's throwing us back to pre cival rights era? Hostile said!


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506335 - 08/03/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?




For the same reason that poll taxes, literacy tests, and white primaries are unconstitutional. Just...here, I don't want to quote a full wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era#Disenfranchisement


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506344 - 08/03/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

dont worry, your beloved hillary will win and we will all die.  I'm not worried at all.


The end is coming it's probably too late to stop it.  (Unless I can somehow become the leader, i think my way is the only way to save it). I am also insane to believe such horseshit, obviously.  I'm half joking but half not.

you all should start kissing your asses goodbye and tell your loved ones you love them and how important they are because its coming. Read the bible and accept Jesus Christ if you havent already.  There is nothing else more pressing. It is extremely important.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506353 - 08/03/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?




For the same reason that poll taxes, literacy tests, and white primaries are unconstitutional. Just...here, I don't want to quote a full wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era#Disenfranchisement




Seems to me their excuse is its discrimnatory against the poor, not minorities

So, not racist,

Why not just say these laws are discrimnatory against the poor?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: sprinkles]
    #23506364 - 08/03/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think Bassem Youssef said it best: The Middle East has functioned great for millennia by giving power to the biggest bully with the most gold. I do believe this is an accurate description of Trump. I'm not saying the world will end, because it won't. The world really doesn't give two shits about humanity, it has better things to worry about, such as orbiting the sun and spinning.

I do think that many people that vote for Trump will be in for a rude surprise. I also think it will be funny to watch. Then again, I'm biased, having a second citizenship and enough education to get my ass airlifted out of the nearest embassy if I so choose. Sucks if that doesn't apply to you.

As for Jesus? Meh. I got better shit to do in my free time, and as of right now, Sundays at 10 am is when I go disc golfing.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506368 - 08/03/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?




For the same reason that poll taxes, literacy tests, and white primaries are unconstitutional. Just...here, I don't want to quote a full wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era#Disenfranchisement




Seems to me their excuse is its discrimnatory against the poor, not minorities

So, not racist,

Why not just say these laws are discrimnatory against the poor?




Because "the poor" are overwhelmingly minorities. There's absolutely no way that is an accident.

Also, if that idea goes over your head, I'd like to point you specifically to the grandfather clauses and who they applied to (white people that couldn't pass the literacy tests!).


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506371 - 08/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dont worry, your beloved hillary will win and we will all die.  I'm not worried at all.


The end is coming it's probably too late to stop it.  (Unless I can somehow become the leader, i think my way is the only way to save it). I am also insane to believe such horseshit, obviously.  I'm half joking but half not.

you all should start kissing your asses goodbye and tell your loved ones you love them and how important they are because its coming. Read the bible and accept Jesus Christ if you havent already.  There is nothing else more pressing. It is extremely important.




I'm with sprinkles!

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Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?




For the same reason that poll taxes, literacy tests, and white primaries are unconstitutional. Just...here, I don't want to quote a full wikipedia article.


Interesting reading for sure! The more you know! Yet I'm not seeing your point being made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era#Disenfranchisement




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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23506386 - 08/03/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm loving Hilary more and more each time Trump opens his mouth.




So you don't mind the lies, dead body trails, corruption, abuse of power, dealing with nefarious characters and special interest groups to self enrich?






Lies? Trump speaks them out of both sides of his mouth every time he opens his mouth. Dunno about body trails, but I wouldn't at all be surprised with Trump. Corruption? Oh you better believe the Don would be corrupt and there's no doubt he'll severely abuse the power he would be given if elected.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506393 - 08/03/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

none of that matters in the big picture.  whether you're poor or a poor minority is not going to mean jackshit when you're breathing in chemical and biological weapons.  Or atomic/nuclear weapons.  There are people dedicating 100% of their time, resources, and energy to destroying this place. It is only a matter if time before this shit starts happening.  yawl need to stop bickering about dumb shit and open your eyes.  seriously.  They probably have already aquired chemical and biological weapons, just ask Lt Gen Michael Flynn.  He is afraid.  We should all be afraid.  I'm not though. I have peace in my mind and heart and want you all to have it too.  Things are going to change and its never going to be better than how it is today. its coming you guys. Soon.  I really feel bad for yawl people who have children.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: sprinkles]
    #23506406 - 08/03/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Based on the fact that violence has been dropping both locally and worldwide, and deaths due to violence are at an all time low, I'm gonna go with "nope!"

Who's got NBC weapons? because the only people that have them/the ability to deploy them are not currently pissed at the US.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: sprinkles]
    #23506412 - 08/03/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i dont mean to be debbie downer here or anything.  I just want people realize what's going on, and to stop focusing on things that arent important. direct energy and give attention to things that are important.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506414 - 08/03/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Voter ID laws aren't racist...:facepalm:

Why aren't voter ID laws constitutional?




For the same reason that poll taxes, literacy tests, and white primaries are unconstitutional. Just...here, I don't want to quote a full wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenfranchisement_after_the_Reconstruction_Era#Disenfranchisement




Seems to me their excuse is its discrimnatory against the poor, not minorities

So, not racist,

Why not just say these laws are discrimnatory against the poor?




Because "the poor" are overwhelmingly minorities. There's absolutely no way that is an accident.

Also, if that idea goes over your head, I'd like to point you specifically to the grandfather clauses and who they applied to (white people that couldn't pass the literacy tests!).




Actually there is more white poor people than any other class, so the "race" thing is BS, if it's discrimnatory, which I don't believe it is, it would discriminate way more against whites than any one else

personally, I don't think stupid poor people should be allowed to vote anyway, but that's just me

Would you elect stupid poor people to office? No? Same reasons, right?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506418 - 08/03/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

they are getting them through pakistan. 



it wont do any good to argue with me, im only trying to help you understand.  you have the ability to research and educate yourself and see the truth.  I hope you take the time to.  Have a nice day.


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    #23506420 - 08/03/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure that was self explanatory. The last DNC, held in Philly, July 25-28 2016 (last week), had a demographic layout which was "50% white, 25% black..."




So the people that attended the convention based on race is important to you?  It's meaningless.




As a black man who watched both conventions on tv, I would have felt more at home in Philly even though I grew up in Cleveland. Is my vote only based on that? No but Kryptos makes a good point. One convention looked fun the other had Scott Baio. The republican party has not kept up with time and can't last much longer in it's current form. Using fear to trick the naive into voting against their own best interest is not going to work as well on the people that the party is saying to fear.





"to trick the naïve into voting against their own best interest"

You mean like when blacks voted for Obama?  How did 8 years of Obama work out for the vast majority of blacks?  More poverty and more inequality of wealth/income!!


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506424 - 08/03/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Having a dumb fuck Oompa Loompa in office doesn't scare anyone. If another country wants to attack they will do it regardless.
Dumb fuck christians have been spewing this same doomsday shit for centuries....


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23506434 - 08/03/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Based on the fact that violence has been dropping both locally and worldwide, and deaths due to violence are at an all time low, I'm gonna go with "nope!"

Who's got NBC weapons? because the only people that have them/the ability to deploy them are not currently pissed at the US.




No? No one's pissed at us? Is that a joke?
And the matter of who has nuclear tech is very clear, North Korea, Pakistan, China, Iran, Russia (who now owns 20% of our uranium!! Thanks Hilary) and also a handful of other country's


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    #23506438 - 08/03/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You don't think the middle East is pissed????????????? Where have you been


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    #23506449 - 08/03/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If Trump doesn't win America will crumble.

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    #23506450 - 08/03/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The Middle East is always pissed. Tiny dick syndrome


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    #23506459 - 08/03/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sorry im such a dumbfuck and i am wasting your time with dumbfuck words.  I just dont know any better cause I'm just a dumbfuck.  Please forgive me, for I dont know how to quit being a dumbfuck.  Maybe someday you will grace me with your intelligence and wisdom so I can cut back on being such a dumbfuck and become superior in your likeness.


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    #23506466 - 08/03/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Screw the middle east they want to conquer us, how ever I can't blame them for hating us.


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    #23506473 - 08/03/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't think the middle East is pissed????????????? Where have you been





i would also be pissed if I were raised in the desert where all there was to do was smoke cigarettes and drink coffee all fucking day and no alcohol. Oh you best believe people would pay. :kingcrankey:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Dale Gribble]
    #23506474 - 08/03/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are you a dumb fuck christian, sir?
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    #23506480 - 08/03/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I love Hillary and I've never touched another dude's cock

Maybe you're just stupid and have been manipulated by a tabloid-grade organization




you love Hillary eh? I have serious doubts that you are a straight guy then....or even a guy....merely the thought of her makes men's balls shrivel up - just look at what happened to Bill.




I dont think its about being a guy or girl. Im a straight guy and  I do not like her because shes a fake flip floppy bitch just like smokey says. Also she is selfish as fuck just wanting to be the first women president. We could have had BERNIE if she wasnt corrupt as fuck :frown: That being said, as much as I hate to say it I would rather have her for president than an irrational maniac like Trump.


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    #23506488 - 08/03/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i wish i could hang around but this dumbfuck has dumb fuck things she has to do. 

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    #23506491 - 08/03/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This was country was built on Christianity. 200 something years later no purpose, no true ethics or morals, leaves us where we are now.


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There's a lot of dumbfuckerie going on here! I think everyone should remember why we are on this site to begin with lol


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    #23506520 - 08/03/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the default answer is racism?  I have to say this type of reasoning is not characteristic of you at all, why such a radical theory to offer as an explanation to something you're not even sure about?

You're going down a very deep hole on this one, I'm surprised you think like this, you know it doesn't you make any better than the accused. :shrug:



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    #23506584 - 08/03/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I already have, you didn't like the answer, therefore, racism...

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    #23506590 - 08/03/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the default answer is racism?  I have to say this type of reasoning is not characteristic of you at all, why such a radical theory to offer as an explanation to something you're not even sure about?

You're going down a very deep hole on this one, I'm surprised you think like this, you know it doesn't you make any better than the accused. :shrug:



I keep asking, why the uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise with Obama when Congress compromised with all previous Presidents?  Racism is the most obvious answer.  I'm looking for other reasons why the compromising has stopped... anyone feel free to chime in.




You have failed to demonstrate "uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise" in this case, you failed to demonstrate that this potential unwillingness is racially based.

Can you get any specifics so we might even know what the hell you are talking about?  There might be hundreds of rational reasons why the circumstances that exist today are the way they are and it might have NOTHING to do with racism.

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I already have, you didn't like the answer, therefore, racism...

:carlinorgasm:




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    #23506601 - 08/03/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No shit! Right?

Obama has been unwilling to budge on changes to the retarded ACA, maybe hes the one who's racist!:cookiemonster:


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    #23506668 - 08/03/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the default answer is racism?  I have to say this type of reasoning is not characteristic of you at all, why such a radical theory to offer as an explanation to something you're not even sure about?

You're going down a very deep hole on this one, I'm surprised you think like this, you know it doesn't you make any better than the accused. :shrug:



I keep asking, why the uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise with Obama when Congress compromised with all previous Presidents?  Racism is the most obvious answer.  I'm looking for other reasons why the compromising has stopped... anyone feel free to chime in.[/quote


It's because we've got a socialist president
To put it bluntly THIS ISN'T A socialist country! If you want to be a socialist go move to China or Canada!

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    #23506698 - 08/03/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the default answer is racism?  I have to say this type of reasoning is not characteristic of you at all, why such a radical theory to offer as an explanation to something you're not even sure about?

You're going down a very deep hole on this one, I'm surprised you think like this, you know it doesn't you make any better than the accused. :shrug:



I keep asking, why the uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise with Obama when Congress compromised with all previous Presidents?  Racism is the most obvious answer.  I'm looking for other reasons why the compromising has stopped... anyone feel free to chime in.[/quote


It's because we've got a socialist president
To put it bluntly THIS ISN'T A socialist country! If you want to be a socialist go move to China or Canada!

The unwillingness to compromise with Obama is the same as protecting the Constitution of the United States of America! Why don't people understand that?




Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23506753 - 08/03/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You have failed to demonstrate "uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise" in this case, you failed to demonstrate that this potential unwillingness is racially based.

Can you get any specifics so we might even know what the hell you are talking about?



We already talked about Obama's Supreme Court pick.  He started in full compromise mode with a middle of the road pick.  Republicans refused.  Why, if not racism?

I'm not saying for certain it's racism, it's just the only reason I can see.  No one else seems to have any answers.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506762 - 08/03/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well hey it sure sounds great free everything!!!!! Yaaay. Meanwhile in reality the organizations and families that run this country are benefiting from the same principles that they swear to uphold.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23506768 - 08/03/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23506771 - 08/03/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the default answer is racism?  I have to say this type of reasoning is not characteristic of you at all, why such a radical theory to offer as an explanation to something you're not even sure about?

You're going down a very deep hole on this one, I'm surprised you think like this, you know it doesn't you make any better than the accused. :shrug:



I keep asking, why the uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise with Obama when Congress compromised with all previous Presidents?  Racism is the most obvious answer.  I'm looking for other reasons why the compromising has stopped... anyone feel free to chime in.[/quote


It's because we've got a socialist president
To put it bluntly THIS ISN'T A socialist country! If you want to be a socialist go move to China or Canada!

The unwillingness to compromise with Obama is the same as protecting the Constitution of the United States of America! Why don't people understand that?




Is this not s possible answer???


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23506788 - 08/03/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:



We will never be Norway or Sweden if that's who your referring to, we have so much debt and nowhere near the Natural Resources and the history that makes Norway the richest country in the world


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23506883 - 08/03/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You have failed to demonstrate "uncharacteristic unwillingness to compromise" in this case, you failed to demonstrate that this potential unwillingness is racially based.

Can you get any specifics so we might even know what the hell you are talking about?



We already talked about Obama's Supreme Court pick.  He started in full compromise mode with a middle of the road pick.  Republicans refused.  Why, if not racism?

I'm not saying for certain it's racism, it's just the only reason I can see.  No one else seems to have any answers.




You're old enough to know the theatrics the R' and D's have put on in the past when it comes to Supreme Court nominations.

Why should it be any different this time when it's in an election year for a 2nd term President?

Was it racism when Clarence Thomas was nominated?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23506893 - 08/03/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

:tard:




"we want to be more like Northern Europe"

Reported for racism. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23506940 - 08/03/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:




Check your mirror,

I've told you countless times why O'shitholes agenda is opposed, skin color doesn't have shit to do with it, the Supreme Court pick, was only middle of the road for extreme leftists,

If you don't think Obama is opposed because of something other than skin tone, please tell me why GOP went after Clinton, a WHITE GOOD OL BOY so hard...why didn't they just go along with all his BS?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23507609 - 08/03/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:



We will never be Norway or Sweden if that's who your referring to, we have so much debt and nowhere near the Natural Resources and the history that makes Norway the richest country in the world



What do you mean no where near the natural resources?  Which country ranks #1 in the world for oil production (hint).


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23507621 - 08/03/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You're old enough to know the theatrics the R' and D's have put on in the past when it comes to Supreme Court nominations.

Why should it be any different this time when it's in an election year for a 2nd term President?



It will be different because if they don't select Obama's supreme court pick, it will be the longest time since the Civil War to block a presidential pick.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23508064 - 08/04/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yawl can figure it out for yourselves.


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    #23508075 - 08/04/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23508465 - 08/04/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the question should be, why is the president unwilling to work with GOP congress? He's not a dictator, he shouldn't just get everything he wants, should he?



Obama always meets Congress half way. :shake:




:lolsy:

Obama no more works with Congress than Congress works with Obama. Using your logic, Obama hates whitey.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23508479 - 08/04/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why, if not racism?




To get a better choice when a Rep wins.

It's sad, but not too surprising, to see you go for the race card.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23508549 - 08/04/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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"Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander in chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin. And that’s.....republican col Lawrence Wilkerson




8 Years of festering racism has led to :




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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: psilynut]
    #23508562 - 08/04/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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"Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander in chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin. And that’s.....republican col Lawrence Wilkerson




8 Years of festering racism has led to :







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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23508597 - 08/04/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He's 10 points down in the polls right now , and he's still rambling about Megan Kelleys menstrual cycle ....doesn't seem likely .


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    #23508620 - 08/04/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He's 10 points down in the polls right now , and he's still rambling about Megan Kelleys menstrual cycle ....doesn't seem likely .




Yeah, he was up 5 pts just 2 weeks ago. Trump's going to win in a landslide election.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23508939 - 08/04/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No he won't. He ended any chance right from the beginning with saying that stupid shit about immigrants


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No he won't. He ended any chance right from the beginning with saying that stupid shit about immigrants




Yeah, because Hispanics and illegals are the deciding demographic that determines US presidential elections. :facepalm:


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    #23509271 - 08/04/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not  just Hispanics , white people like me who are married to a hispanic person  aren't going to vote for trump either .  Not that I would anyway but it could lead to divorce if I did , and it's not even really because people think he's a racist cunt . It's mostly because he seems like a conspiracy theorist nutcase who sounds like a retard when he talks . 


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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.





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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: psilynut]
    #23509529 - 08/04/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not  just Hispanics , white people like me who are married to a hispanic person  aren't going to vote for trump either .  Not that I would anyway but it could lead to divorce if I did , and it's not even really because people think he's a racist cunt . It's mostly because he seems like a conspiracy theorist nutcase who sounds like a retard when he talks . 


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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.





http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide




Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living? 

Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.

We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23509795 - 08/04/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Obama always meets Congress half way. :shake:




:lolsy:

Obama no more works with Congress than Congress works with Obama. Using your logic, Obama hates whitey.



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We already talked about Obama's Supreme Court pick.  He started in full compromise mode with a middle of the road pick.  Republicans refused.  Why, if not racism?





To get a better choice when a Rep wins.



So in your first, you (falsely) claim that Obama doesn't work with Congress.  Then in your next post, you explain why Congress won't work with Obama after he's met them half way.

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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman] * 1
    #23509833 - 08/04/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not  just Hispanics , white people like me who are married to a hispanic person  aren't going to vote for trump either .  Not that I would anyway but it could lead to divorce if I did , and it's not even really because people think he's a racist cunt . It's mostly because he seems like a conspiracy theorist nutcase who sounds like a retard when he talks . 


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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.





http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide




Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living? 

Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.

We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.




I'm just glad that qman knows "most minorities" on a personal level. What a joke nigga.


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    #23510683 - 08/04/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

After a nice and refreshing drunkening and wicked hangover, I guess I'll come back here for a bit.

Then promptly ignore the mudflinging going on in the last few (pages) of posts.

Let's mention a few points I've found interesting so far:

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Based on the fact that violence has been dropping both locally and worldwide, and deaths due to violence are at an all time low, I'm gonna go with "nope!"

Who's got NBC weapons? because the only people that have them/the ability to deploy them are not currently pissed at the US.




No? No one's pissed at us? Is that a joke?
And the matter of who has nuclear tech is very clear, North Korea, Pakistan, China, Iran, Russia (who now owns 20% of our uranium!! Thanks Hilary) and also a handful of other country's




You've mentioned only one country that is not actively allied/at peace with the US, and that is North Korea. The same country that is barely capable of delivering nuclear weapons halfway across the ocean, and knows very well that they would be the reason South Korea became an island shortly after they pushed the button. Also, Iran is not a nuclear power, no matter how hard they try to be. I'd also add that the primary producer of uranium in the world is Australia, so...

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You don't think the middle East is pissed????????????? Where have you been




Huh, same guy, different quote. I never said they weren't pissed. I'm saying that literally no one in the middle east has NBC weapons or the ability to develop and deploy NBC weapons in a reasonable timeframe (~10 years, by my definition. Feel free to contest my definition, it would only help my case).

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This was country was built on Christianity. 200 something years later no purpose, no true ethics or morals, leaves us where we are now.




I seriously did not plan to just call out everything you said, but you might wanna look back at the first amendment, specifically the part where "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." This was adequately summarized in some personal letters between Thomas Jefferson and some of the other delegates, where the words "separation of church and state" come into play. I definitely don't give two shits about christian principles, though they overlap my own personal beliefs in many cases. Thou shalt not kill comes to mind. Of course, Christianity (or at least modern Christianity) has much fewer concerns violating that rule than I do. I personally believe that it's a pretty binary rule. Soldiers, police, and gun owners that use lethal force in self defense are violators and should burn in hell in my book (which doesn't really have a concept of hell...I just think that "thou shalt not kill" means no killing, no matter the reason, this isn't a court of US law).

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:



We will never be Norway or Sweden if that's who your referring to, we have so much debt and nowhere near the Natural Resources and the history that makes Norway the richest country in the world




I'm sorry dude, but...seriously? There are more natural resources in the continental US than in pretty much all of Europe combined, as Europe had a few centuries head start on exploiting them. notice I said "continental", which does not include Alaska and the copious oil/snow/wood/other resources there. Also, you might want to look into the value of debt. Alexander Hamilton, the guy that established the Fed (and one of the founding fathers) made sure that the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy (while many other founding fathers looked at the bill they got from the French after the war of 1812 and voted to dine and dash). This is why the US had a AAA credit rating until the whole 2008 crash thing (which is 100%. can't get better) and why US debt is actually worth something, as opposed to, say, the debt/credit rating of a guy that has not only declared bankruptcy four times, but has sued his creditors for slander when they try to collect. Ya know, what's his name...Starts with a T, rhymes with "hump"...


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
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8 Years of festering racism has led to :







No, it's 30 years of PC nonsense that will make Trump the next US President.





I your dreams, he's losing in ALL the tossup states, TIED in GA.


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    #23510796 - 08/04/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe the south/swing states are finally realizing that treating non-white people like incontinent dogs because they are non-white counts as racism?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23510855 - 08/04/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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After a nice and refreshing drunkening and wicked hangover, I guess I'll come back here for a bit.

Then promptly ignore the mudflinging going on in the last few (pages) of posts.

Let's mention a few points I've found interesting so far:

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Ruyguy said:
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Based on the fact that violence has been dropping both locally and worldwide, and deaths due to violence are at an all time low, I'm gonna go with "nope!"

Who's got NBC weapons? because the only people that have them/the ability to deploy them are not currently pissed at the US.




No? No one's pissed at us? Is that a joke?
And the matter of who has nuclear tech is very clear, North Korea, Pakistan, China, Iran, Russia (who now owns 20% of our uranium!! Thanks Hilary) and also a handful of other country's




You've mentioned only one country that is not actively allied/at peace with the US, and that is North Korea. The same country that is barely capable of delivering nuclear weapons halfway across the ocean, and knows very well that they would be the reason South Korea became an island shortly after they pushed the button. Also, Iran is not a nuclear power, no matter how hard they try to be. I'd also add that the primary producer of uranium in the world is Australia, so...

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You don't think the middle East is pissed????????????? Where have you been




Huh, same guy, different quote. I never said they weren't pissed. I'm saying that literally no one in the middle east has NBC weapons or the ability to develop and deploy NBC weapons in a reasonable timeframe (~10 years, by my definition. Feel free to contest my definition, it would only help my case).

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This was country was built on Christianity. 200 something years later no purpose, no true ethics or morals, leaves us where we are now.




I seriously did not plan to just call out everything you said, but you might wanna look back at the first amendment, specifically the part where "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." This was adequately summarized in some personal letters between Thomas Jefferson and some of the other delegates, where the words "separation of church and state" come into play. I definitely don't give two shits about christian principles, though they overlap my own personal beliefs in many cases. Thou shalt not kill comes to mind. Of course, Christianity (or at least modern Christianity) has much fewer concerns violating that rule than I do. I personally believe that it's a pretty binary rule. Soldiers, police, and gun owners that use lethal force in self defense are violators and should burn in hell in my book (which doesn't really have a concept of hell...I just think that "thou shalt not kill" means no killing, no matter the reason, this isn't a court of US law).

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:



We will never be Norway or Sweden if that's who your referring to, we have so much debt and nowhere near the Natural Resources and the history that makes Norway the richest country in the world




I'm sorry dude, but...seriously? There are more natural resources in the continental US than in pretty much all of Europe combined, as Europe had a few centuries head start on exploiting them. notice I said "continental", which does not include Alaska and the copious oil/snow/wood/other resources there. Also, you might want to look into the value of debt. Alexander Hamilton, the guy that established the Fed (and one of the founding fathers) made sure that the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy (while many other founding fathers looked at the bill they got from the French after the war of 1812 and voted to dine and dash). This is why the US had a AAA credit rating until the whole 2008 crash thing (which is 100%. can't get better) and why US debt is actually worth something, as opposed to, say, the debt/credit rating of a guy that has not only declared bankruptcy four times, but has sued his creditors for slander when they try to collect. Ya know, what's his name...Starts with a T, rhymes with "hump"...




Good to see someone doing some research!
Now take another day of getting drunk and look into the connections with CGI and all the wonderful people that" donate" money.

Here's some key words to help
Haiti, CGI, Tony Rodham.
Uranium one, CGI
CGI connections in the Saudi Arabia

See a pattern? No? Well then there's a word for you it starts with a I!

Here's a idea take some beautiful mushies and maybe it will open your mind a little:wink:


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23510895 - 08/04/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is your last chance Kryptos. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23510913 - 08/04/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23510926 - 08/04/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So, uh, did you just go ahead and concede every point I just brought up? Come on man, I've been enjoying this verbal sparring, I don't wanna win that easy.

Went through every single one of the things you mentioned. I'm assuming you meant CGI as in the Clinton Global Initiative, not the Canadian company who's stock is doing pretty good lately. Also, a fuckup brother in law, a seemingly random country, a mineral that I'm still confused at the connection with, and another country that was the focus of a CGI plan of action at one point.

I get that the connection in every single case is Clinton, but you're gonna have to explain to me how that is different from the list including Russia, United States, ACS Chemistry publications, shroomery, Degree, and academic connections to a university in Brazil, for whom the common thread is (hint) me.

Seeing as how you saw fit to put a second post while I was looking up the random Clinton-connected stuff earlier, let's go "red pill" (and not the MRA forum, they're just kinda dumb and whiny).

Of course, your red pill has so far led me down a bunch of dark and disjointed paths in the woods, not to wonderland. Or any sort of link besides the kind you would expect a fairly powerful family to have. At least Morpheus was there to grab Neo from the sludge.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23510961 - 08/04/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Like that's never been tried before.
I've been hearing that same bull shit from her
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So, uh, did you just go ahead and concede every point I just brought up? Come on man, I've been enjoying this verbal sparring, I don't wanna win that easy.

Went through every single one of the things you mentioned. I'm assuming you meant CGI as in the Clinton Global Initiative, not the Canadian company who's stock is doing pretty good lately. Also, a fuckup brother in law, a seemingly random country, a mineral that I'm still confused at the connection with, and another country that was the focus of a CGI plan of action at one point.

I get that the connection in every single case is Clinton, but you're gonna have to explain to me how that is different from the list including Russia, United States, ACS Chemistry publications, shroomery, Degree, and academic connections to a university in Brazil, for whom the common thread is (hint) me.

Seeing as how you saw fit to put a second post while I was looking up the random Clinton-connected stuff earlier, let's go "red pill" (and not the MRA forum, they're just kinda dumb and whiny).

Of course, your red pill has so far led me down a bunch of dark and disjointed paths in the woods, not to wonderland. Or any sort of link besides the kind you would expect a fairly powerful family to have.



If that's all you got from the dirty affairs of CGI then it would be a waste of a  red pill on someone who isnt intelligent enough to see Bill and Hillary for what they really are. you just keep watching the good ole television. By no means do I support trump 100%, who could? But I just can't back the corruption and lies of a lifetime politician!


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23510979 - 08/04/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some people choose to enlighten the technologically inferior natives, some people choose to give them smallpox blankets. Apparently I don't have access to the same google as you (which is not surprising, given the algorithms in place designed to give you info you agree with). So, again, can you possibly explain literally any of the accusations you are making? I went ahead and took time out of my day to do a detailed and informed point-by-point rebuttal of many of your posts (which you have not countered). Can you not at least give me the courtesy of doing the same?

Edit: just re-read the "read or re-read before posting" sticky (#1, specifically). Mods, feel free to weigh in here, but I do not believe I am out of line. I also do not believe that the same can be said of my worthy opponent. Sorry, buddy.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23511023 - 08/04/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Waste of time, if you really read about CGI and didn't even say the word suspicious once then, you are either ignoring the obvious abuse of power, or you know the other option. Here's the courtesy equal to what you've given me, " nope your wrong I'm right". I'm not going to debate the same shit I did last night, sorry.


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    #23511039 - 08/04/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In that case, not only am I right and you wrong, but you're also stupid.

Mods, feel free to delete this post, I know full well that I am breaking the rules I literally just mentioned. I kinda hope this doesn't lead to a ban though, I've enjoyed debating hostileuniverse, and while I may disagree with them on many points, I find them to be someone that takes the time to explain their views. This is worthy of respect.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23511120 - 08/04/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In that case, not only am I right and you wrong, but you're also stupid.

At least I'm not a passive aggressive pot smoking hippie that loves mushrooms and Hilary! I'll take the former any day!


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman] * 1
    #23511788 - 08/05/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not  just Hispanics , white people like me who are married to a hispanic person  aren't going to vote for trump either .  Not that I would anyway but it could lead to divorce if I did , and it's not even really because people think he's a racist cunt . It's mostly because he seems like a conspiracy theorist nutcase who sounds like a retard when he talks . 


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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.





http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide




Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living? 

Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.

We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.



Qman, sorry but you don't know shit. First of all it's really difficult for immigrants to receive welfare and all that shit. They aren't leeching off that. Second if they are killing wages it would be picking fruit for 12 hours a day or working a hard ass job like construction or landscaping (which wages are not lowering). They get jobs that no one else wants because it's hard and shitty.
Talking about our debt? Fuck, military takes over half of the budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/ ; Cost that comes with immigration or public services ain't shit compared to military.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23512079 - 08/05/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
After a nice and refreshing drunkening and wicked hangover, I guess I'll come back here for a bit.

Then promptly ignore the mudflinging going on in the last few (pages) of posts.

Let's mention a few points I've found interesting so far:

Quote:

Ruyguy said:
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Kryptos said:
Based on the fact that violence has been dropping both locally and worldwide, and deaths due to violence are at an all time low, I'm gonna go with "nope!"

Who's got NBC weapons? because the only people that have them/the ability to deploy them are not currently pissed at the US.




No? No one's pissed at us? Is that a joke?
And the matter of who has nuclear tech is very clear, North Korea, Pakistan, China, Iran, Russia (who now owns 20% of our uranium!! Thanks Hilary) and also a handful of other country's




You've mentioned only one country that is not actively allied/at peace with the US, and that is North Korea. The same country that is barely capable of delivering nuclear weapons halfway across the ocean, and knows very well that they would be the reason South Korea became an island shortly after they pushed the button. Also, Iran is not a nuclear power, no matter how hard they try to be. I'd also add that the primary producer of uranium in the world is Australia, so...

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You don't think the middle East is pissed????????????? Where have you been




Huh, same guy, different quote. I never said they weren't pissed. I'm saying that literally no one in the middle east has NBC weapons or the ability to develop and deploy NBC weapons in a reasonable timeframe (~10 years, by my definition. Feel free to contest my definition, it would only help my case).

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This was country was built on Christianity. 200 something years later no purpose, no true ethics or morals, leaves us where we are now.




I seriously did not plan to just call out everything you said, but you might wanna look back at the first amendment, specifically the part where "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." This was adequately summarized in some personal letters between Thomas Jefferson and some of the other delegates, where the words "separation of church and state" come into play. I definitely don't give two shits about christian principles, though they overlap my own personal beliefs in many cases. Thou shalt not kill comes to mind. Of course, Christianity (or at least modern Christianity) has much fewer concerns violating that rule than I do. I personally believe that it's a pretty binary rule. Soldiers, police, and gun owners that use lethal force in self defense are violators and should burn in hell in my book (which doesn't really have a concept of hell...I just think that "thou shalt not kill" means no killing, no matter the reason, this isn't a court of US law).

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Becuase they want us to be like Venezuela or Greece, right Fal? Ecs? Woofie?



For the 56th time, WRONG!  Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.

I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

:tard:



We will never be Norway or Sweden if that's who your referring to, we have so much debt and nowhere near the Natural Resources and the history that makes Norway the richest country in the world




I'm sorry dude, but...seriously? There are more natural resources in the continental US than in pretty much all of Europe combined, as Europe had a few centuries head start on exploiting them. notice I said "continental", which does not include Alaska and the copious oil/snow/wood/other resources there. Also, you might want to look into the value of debt. Alexander Hamilton, the guy that established the Fed (and one of the founding fathers) made sure that the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy (while many other founding fathers looked at the bill they got from the French after the war of 1812 and voted to dine and dash). This is why the US had a AAA credit rating until the whole 2008 crash thing (which is 100%. can't get better) and why US debt is actually worth something, as opposed to, say, the debt/credit rating of a guy that has not only declared bankruptcy four times, but has sued his creditors for slander when they try to collect. Ya know, what's his name...Starts with a T, rhymes with "hump"...




"the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy...and why US debt is actually worth something"

I don't think you know what you're talking about, you do realize the US did a devaluation in 1934 of -40?  That's a DEFAULT!!

The US went off of the gold standard in 1971 when it was $35 for one ounce of gold, today gold trades at $1350 oz, that's a DEFAULT. 

We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.


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    #23512100 - 08/05/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not  just Hispanics , white people like me who are married to a hispanic person  aren't going to vote for trump either .  Not that I would anyway but it could lead to divorce if I did , and it's not even really because people think he's a racist cunt . It's mostly because he seems like a conspiracy theorist nutcase who sounds like a retard when he talks . 


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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.





http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide




Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living? 

Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.

We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.



Qman, sorry but you don't know shit. First of all it's really difficult for immigrants to receive welfare and all that shit. They aren't leeching off that. Second if they are killing wages it would be picking fruit for 12 hours a day or working a hard ass job like construction or landscaping (which wages are not lowering). They get jobs that no one else wants because it's hard and shitty.
Talking about our debt? Fuck, military takes over half of the budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/ ; Cost that comes with immigration or public services ain't shit compared to military.





Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.

http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Illegals undercut US wages by working for cheaper, this is simple economics, why do you think the border is wide open? Of course US citizens would work those jobs, but not when illegals drive the wages into the ground.

"Military"

It has nothing to do with the subject matter, if we cut military spending that should benefit US citizens, NOT illegals living in the US. :facepalm:


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    #23512109 - 08/05/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So in your first, you (falsely) claim that Obama doesn't work with Congress.  Then in your next post, you explain why Congress won't work with Obama after he's met them half way.




Only partisan hacks such as yourself think Obama meets halfway. Obama doesn't. Congress doesn't.


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    #23512527 - 08/05/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In that case, not only am I right and you wrong, but you're also stupid.





At least I'm not a passive aggressive pot smoking hippie that loves mushrooms and Hilary! I'll take the former any day!




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Here's a idea take some beautiful mushies and maybe it will open your mind a little;)




You're not that good at this, are you?


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"the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy...and why US debt is actually worth something"

I don't think you know what you're talking about, you do realize the US did a devaluation in 1934 of -40?  That's a DEFAULT!!

The US went off of the gold standard in 1971 when it was $35 for one ounce of gold, today gold trades at $1350 oz, that's a DEFAULT. 

We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.




I assume you meant the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, which forbade the trading of gold for currency and set the price of gold to $35/oz instead of the current market value of ~20$. This was not an act of devaluation, it was a way for the government to increase its wealth and GNP drastically under the gold standard by attracting scores of foreign investors trying to sell gold. Under the very strict gold standard, this had the effect of significantly multiplying the buying power of the US (and stabilizing the economy coming out of the great depression). Some more recent analyses have argued that had this action not taken place, the real GNP of the US would have been about 50% lower than what it was by 1942.

Next, when the US went off the gold standard, this was partially to turn the economy into a growing organism, as opposed to a zero-sum game where there was a limited amount of total money available. The price of gold rising from the set point of $35 to $1350 is not a form of devaluation, it is simply a reflection of supply and demand, and an illustration of the benefits of a growing economy backed by the government as opposed to shiny rocks. Now, standing still is the same as going backwards, because the total amount of wealth is always increasing and the percentage that you own will shrink if you don't expand your wealth. Before, if someone owned half the gold in the world, and neither them nor their kids spent any of it, they would be in the same financial position as before. This would incentivize hoarding and non-participation in the economy, which has the effect of screwing over everyone. Maybe with the exception of off-gridders, but even they buy generators and shit.

Finally, let's talk about the problem of debt. Yep, that's a really big number. Possibly even a scary one. The thing is, it doesn't really matter how much debt you have. It only matter when you have to pay it back. I could take out a loan for $20T tomorrow, and if the stipulations on the contract are that I pay back lump sum $30T in 300 years, then I will not default on that debt even if I spend every dime with no intention of paying it back, unless I somehow manage to live into my 300's. Fun fact, you can't legally collect debt from dead people, that's why debt collectors use shady tactics like calling it "the moral thing to do". They know they can't force you to pay off your ex-grandpa's gambling debts.

None of those things are defaults, because a default is by definition breaking the terms of a loan. The fact that debt exists, the fact that money isn't backed by gold, and the fact that the government decided to buy up gold at above market price to increase buying power doesn't violate the terms of any (not eerily specific) loan. Therefore, none of these things can be called a default, even though one could argue that they were shenanigans undertaken with the express purpose of making loans easier to pay back. Then again, when I go to work, I would argue that is a form of shenanigans designed to make my credit card debt easier to pay off without pulling a Trump and defaulting/declaring bankruptcy when the monthly bill shows up.

Now, I actually want to know what the stipulations of international loan contracts are. I know that (for example) country A could be 10$ in debt to country B, and country B could be 10$ in debt to country A (which is extremely common in the world...look at how much of other countries' debt the US owns) they normally don't just call it even and forget that they owe each other $10. Alas, this is something that a real economist would do, not an armchair expert with wikipedia like me. Anyone here happen to be a big name international banker with a team of specialists that are willing to chime in? Maybe someone is the director of the IMF? They've eaten a few defaults from Greece and Argentina recently...

Either way, I find it hard to believe that the US would have a credit rating of AA+ after a default, considering most businesses don't get there even with squeaky clean accounting.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23513191 - 08/05/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.



It can easily be paid back if we increase taxes on the super wealthy.  I'll present this again for reference:



Notice how the debt/GDP ratio goes down each time there's a president willing to increase taxes on the rich.


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Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.



We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens.  Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
    #23513742 - 08/05/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In that case, not only am I right and you wrong, but you're also stupid.





At least I'm not a passive aggressive pot smoking hippie that loves mushrooms and Hilary! I'll take the former any day!




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Here's a idea take some beautiful mushies and maybe it will open your mind a little;)




You're not that good at this, are you?


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"the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy...and why US debt is actually worth something"

I don't think you know what you're talking about, you do realize the US did a devaluation in 1934 of -40?  That's a DEFAULT!!

The US went off of the gold standard in 1971 when it was $35 for one ounce of gold, today gold trades at $1350 oz, that's a DEFAULT. 

We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.




I assume you meant the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, which forbade the trading of gold for currency and set the price of gold to $35/oz instead of the current market value of ~20$. This was not an act of devaluation, it was a way for the government to increase its wealth and GNP drastically under the gold standard by attracting scores of foreign investors trying to sell gold. Under the very strict gold standard, this had the effect of significantly multiplying the buying power of the US (and stabilizing the economy coming out of the great depression). Some more recent analyses have argued that had this action not taken place, the real GNP of the US would have been about 50% lower than what it was by 1942.

Next, when the US went off the gold standard, this was partially to turn the economy into a growing organism, as opposed to a zero-sum game where there was a limited amount of total money available. The price of gold rising from the set point of $35 to $1350 is not a form of devaluation, it is simply a reflection of supply and demand, and an illustration of the benefits of a growing economy backed by the government as opposed to shiny rocks. Now, standing still is the same as going backwards, because the total amount of wealth is always increasing and the percentage that you own will shrink if you don't expand your wealth. Before, if someone owned half the gold in the world, and neither them nor their kids spent any of it, they would be in the same financial position as before. This would incentivize hoarding and non-participation in the economy, which has the effect of screwing over everyone. Maybe with the exception of off-gridders, but even they buy generators and shit.

Finally, let's talk about the problem of debt. Yep, that's a really big number. Possibly even a scary one. The thing is, it doesn't really matter how much debt you have. It only matter when you have to pay it back. I could take out a loan for $20T tomorrow, and if the stipulations on the contract are that I pay back lump sum $30T in 300 years, then I will not default on that debt even if I spend every dime with no intention of paying it back, unless I somehow manage to live into my 300's. Fun fact, you can't legally collect debt from dead people, that's why debt collectors use shady tactics like calling it "the moral thing to do". They know they can't force you to pay off your ex-grandpa's gambling debts.

None of those things are defaults, because a default is by definition breaking the terms of a loan. The fact that debt exists, the fact that money isn't backed by gold, and the fact that the government decided to buy up gold at above market price to increase buying power doesn't violate the terms of any (not eerily specific) loan. Therefore, none of these things can be called a default, even though one could argue that they were shenanigans undertaken with the express purpose of making loans easier to pay back. Then again, when I go to work, I would argue that is a form of shenanigans designed to make my credit card debt easier to pay off without pulling a Trump and defaulting/declaring bankruptcy when the monthly bill shows up.

Now, I actually want to know what the stipulations of international loan contracts are. I know that (for example) country A could be 10$ in debt to country B, and country B could be 10$ in debt to country A (which is extremely common in the world...look at how much of other countries' debt the US owns) they normally don't just call it even and forget that they owe each other $10. Alas, this is something that a real economist would do, not an armchair expert with wikipedia like me. Anyone here happen to be a big name international banker with a team of specialists that are willing to chime in? Maybe someone is the director of the IMF? They've eaten a few defaults from Greece and Argentina recently...

Either way, I find it hard to believe that the US would have a credit rating of AA+ after a default, considering most businesses don't get there even with squeaky clean accounting.




Dude, you are so wrong on so many issues I don't even know where to start.  The US did devalue the Dollar in 1934, it doesn't matter the rational for it, it was an official devaluation!!

The US went off the gold standard because it was losing all of its gold and it knew they couldn't continue with that trend because the debt was starting to get too large.  Of course they said it would help the economy, what else could they say?

Please show me how much foreign debt the US owns? 

You don't understand debt, bond markets, interest payments, debt defaults, and currency devaluations.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23513754 - 08/05/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.



It can easily be paid back if we increase taxes on the super wealthy.  I'll present this again for reference:



Notice how the debt/GDP ratio goes down each time there's a president willing to increase taxes on the rich.




Pie in the sky, not gonna happen.  Our economy grows at 1.5% on average now, even taxing the rich won't cut it, hell we couldn't even get a balanced budget, never mind paying the debt back. :rofl2:

Do you think we're going to be winning WW3 anything time soon?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23513762 - 08/05/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.



We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens.  Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???




Illegal women that pop out a kid qualify, their dependent is US citizen!


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23514140 - 08/05/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive



We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens.  Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???



Illegal women that pop out a kid qualify, their dependent is US citizen!



No, only their kid qualifies (and only if the kid is a US citizen).  Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23514277 - 08/05/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive



We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens.  Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???



Illegal women that pop out a kid qualify, their dependent is US citizen!



No, only their kid qualifies (and only if the kid is a US citizen).  Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.




Do they receive housing assistance, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, ect. as a result for having a child inside of the US?  Yes they do.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23514607 - 08/05/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.





http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide




Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living? 

Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.

We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.



Qman, sorry but you don't know shit. First of all it's really difficult for immigrants to receive welfare and all that shit. They aren't leeching off that. Second if they are killing wages it would be picking fruit for 12 hours a day or working a hard ass job like construction or landscaping (which wages are not lowering). They get jobs that no one else wants because it's hard and shitty.
Talking about our debt? Fuck, military takes over half of the budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/ ; Cost that comes with immigration or public services ain't shit compared to military.





Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.

http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Illegals undercut US wages by working for cheaper, this is simple economics, why do you think the border is wide open? Of course US citizens would work those jobs, but not when illegals drive the wages into the ground.

"Military"

It has nothing to do with the subject matter, if we cut military spending that should benefit US citizens, NOT illegals living in the US. :facepalm:




We need migrants to pick our fruits and vegetables for us for a low wage. Or else the prices of our produce will of have risen very high. You doesn't know, but I have spoken to an contractor that hires migrant workers to work in the fields. I had told him why the workers are all were wearing two layers of clothing with scarves and gloves on in this heat. I told him are they afraid of becoming dark complected. And he said, "no". He said that the chemicals that they sprays on the produces eats a layer of their skin and causes the skin to become irritable, covered with rashes. And if the average Joe goes out in pick these produces for a living, that they will start complaining about the symptoms of ailments that occurs from picking these produce, that it will lead to the public of knowing how strong is the chemicals that is put on their food is. But then that will lead to stop these chemicals companies from spraying their products on our foods. These companies tries to say that their chemicals are harmless, that you can eat it from off of the plant itself. But they has warning signs around these orchards, warning people to not enter because of the toxins that are on the fruits or crops. The immigrants does needs medical insurance, if not; then their countries will start complaining about the health issues that their migrants workers are suffering from. And so they has to give them medical attention and plus they gives them free or very low rent housing while they are working over here. I guess that is what helps the farmers out. Back in the days, the farmers supplies these accommodations, but now, they builds these migrants workers a place to stay and collects the grant money from the government to accommodate them. No one that is from here is that stupid to work in the fields under those conditions.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23514832 - 08/06/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.




Do they receive housing assistance, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, ect. as a result for having a child inside of the US?  Yes they do.



Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23515256 - 08/06/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.




Do they receive housing assistance, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, ect. as a result for having a child inside of the US?  Yes they do.



Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.




It's though their children, how does a new born take all the benefits for themselves?  They don't, their mother does it for them. Why is this concept so difficult to grasp, why do you think the illegal birthrate inside the US is DOUBLE the birthrate of the general population?


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23515662 - 08/06/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive".  Thanks.



It's though their children, how does a new born take all the benefits for themselves?  They don't, their mother does it for them. Why is this concept so difficult to grasp



I get it.  The mother gets to cash the child's benefits for him, since a child is too young to do that on his own.

Your statement that illegals qualify for social services is factually incorrect.


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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23516950 - 08/06/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What democrat doesn't pander to everyone but Straight white males ?


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