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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
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Waste of time, if you really read about CGI and didn't even say the word suspicious once then, you are either ignoring the obvious abuse of power, or you know the other option. Here's the courtesy equal to what you've given me, " nope your wrong I'm right". I'm not going to debate the same shit I did last night, sorry.
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In that case, not only am I right and you wrong, but you're also stupid.
Mods, feel free to delete this post, I know full well that I am breaking the rules I literally just mentioned. I kinda hope this doesn't lead to a ban though, I've enjoyed debating hostileuniverse, and while I may disagree with them on many points, I find them to be someone that takes the time to explain their views. This is worthy of respect.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
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At least I'm not a passive aggressive pot smoking hippie that loves mushrooms and Hilary! I'll take the former any day!
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psilynut said: Not just Hispanics , white people like me who are married to a hispanic person aren't going to vote for trump either . Not that I would anyway but it could lead to divorce if I did , and it's not even really because people think he's a racist cunt . It's mostly because he seems like a conspiracy theorist nutcase who sounds like a retard when he talks .
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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.
http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide
Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living?
Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.
We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.
Qman, sorry but you don't know shit. First of all it's really difficult for immigrants to receive welfare and all that shit. They aren't leeching off that. Second if they are killing wages it would be picking fruit for 12 hours a day or working a hard ass job like construction or landscaping (which wages are not lowering). They get jobs that no one else wants because it's hard and shitty. Talking about our debt? Fuck, military takes over half of the budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/ Cost that comes with immigration or public services ain't shit compared to military.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: After a nice and refreshing drunkening and wicked hangover, I guess I'll come back here for a bit.
Then promptly ignore the mudflinging going on in the last few (pages) of posts.
Let's mention a few points I've found interesting so far:
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Kryptos said: Based on the fact that violence has been dropping both locally and worldwide, and deaths due to violence are at an all time low, I'm gonna go with "nope!"
Who's got NBC weapons? because the only people that have them/the ability to deploy them are not currently pissed at the US.
No? No one's pissed at us? Is that a joke? And the matter of who has nuclear tech is very clear, North Korea, Pakistan, China, Iran, Russia (who now owns 20% of our uranium!! Thanks Hilary) and also a handful of other country's
You've mentioned only one country that is not actively allied/at peace with the US, and that is North Korea. The same country that is barely capable of delivering nuclear weapons halfway across the ocean, and knows very well that they would be the reason South Korea became an island shortly after they pushed the button. Also, Iran is not a nuclear power, no matter how hard they try to be. I'd also add that the primary producer of uranium in the world is Australia, so...
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Huh, same guy, different quote. I never said they weren't pissed. I'm saying that literally no one in the middle east has NBC weapons or the ability to develop and deploy NBC weapons in a reasonable timeframe (~10 years, by my definition. Feel free to contest my definition, it would only help my case).
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Ruyguy said: This was country was built on Christianity. 200 something years later no purpose, no true ethics or morals, leaves us where we are now.
I seriously did not plan to just call out everything you said, but you might wanna look back at the first amendment, specifically the part where "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." This was adequately summarized in some personal letters between Thomas Jefferson and some of the other delegates, where the words "separation of church and state" come into play. I definitely don't give two shits about christian principles, though they overlap my own personal beliefs in many cases. Thou shalt not kill comes to mind. Of course, Christianity (or at least modern Christianity) has much fewer concerns violating that rule than I do. I personally believe that it's a pretty binary rule. Soldiers, police, and gun owners that use lethal force in self defense are violators and should burn in hell in my book (which doesn't really have a concept of hell...I just think that "thou shalt not kill" means no killing, no matter the reason, this isn't a court of US law).
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For the 56th time, WRONG! Because we want to be more like Northern Europe.
I've never seen someone with such an inability to listen before.

We will never be Norway or Sweden if that's who your referring to, we have so much debt and nowhere near the Natural Resources and the history that makes Norway the richest country in the world
I'm sorry dude, but...seriously? There are more natural resources in the continental US than in pretty much all of Europe combined, as Europe had a few centuries head start on exploiting them. notice I said "continental", which does not include Alaska and the copious oil/snow/wood/other resources there. Also, you might want to look into the value of debt. Alexander Hamilton, the guy that established the Fed (and one of the founding fathers) made sure that the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy (while many other founding fathers looked at the bill they got from the French after the war of 1812 and voted to dine and dash). This is why the US had a AAA credit rating until the whole 2008 crash thing (which is 100%. can't get better) and why US debt is actually worth something, as opposed to, say, the debt/credit rating of a guy that has not only declared bankruptcy four times, but has sued his creditors for slander when they try to collect. Ya know, what's his name...Starts with a T, rhymes with "hump"...
"the US had a standing policy of never defaulting on debt or declaring bankruptcy...and why US debt is actually worth something"
I don't think you know what you're talking about, you do realize the US did a devaluation in 1934 of -40? That's a DEFAULT!!
The US went off of the gold standard in 1971 when it was $35 for one ounce of gold, today gold trades at $1350 oz, that's a DEFAULT.
We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: fungi-funguy]
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http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide
Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living?
Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.
We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.
Qman, sorry but you don't know shit. First of all it's really difficult for immigrants to receive welfare and all that shit. They aren't leeching off that. Second if they are killing wages it would be picking fruit for 12 hours a day or working a hard ass job like construction or landscaping (which wages are not lowering). They get jobs that no one else wants because it's hard and shitty. Talking about our debt? Fuck, military takes over half of the budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/ Cost that comes with immigration or public services ain't shit compared to military.
Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
Illegals undercut US wages by working for cheaper, this is simple economics, why do you think the border is wide open? Of course US citizens would work those jobs, but not when illegals drive the wages into the ground.
"Military"
It has nothing to do with the subject matter, if we cut military spending that should benefit US citizens, NOT illegals living in the US.
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Only partisan hacks such as yourself think Obama meets halfway. Obama doesn't. Congress doesn't.
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At least I'm not a passive aggressive pot smoking hippie that loves mushrooms and Hilary! I'll take the former any day!
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Ruyguy said: Here's a idea take some beautiful mushies and maybe it will open your mind a little;)
You're not that good at this, are you?
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I don't think you know what you're talking about, you do realize the US did a devaluation in 1934 of -40? That's a DEFAULT!!
The US went off of the gold standard in 1971 when it was $35 for one ounce of gold, today gold trades at $1350 oz, that's a DEFAULT.
We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.
I assume you meant the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, which forbade the trading of gold for currency and set the price of gold to $35/oz instead of the current market value of ~20$. This was not an act of devaluation, it was a way for the government to increase its wealth and GNP drastically under the gold standard by attracting scores of foreign investors trying to sell gold. Under the very strict gold standard, this had the effect of significantly multiplying the buying power of the US (and stabilizing the economy coming out of the great depression). Some more recent analyses have argued that had this action not taken place, the real GNP of the US would have been about 50% lower than what it was by 1942.
Next, when the US went off the gold standard, this was partially to turn the economy into a growing organism, as opposed to a zero-sum game where there was a limited amount of total money available. The price of gold rising from the set point of $35 to $1350 is not a form of devaluation, it is simply a reflection of supply and demand, and an illustration of the benefits of a growing economy backed by the government as opposed to shiny rocks. Now, standing still is the same as going backwards, because the total amount of wealth is always increasing and the percentage that you own will shrink if you don't expand your wealth. Before, if someone owned half the gold in the world, and neither them nor their kids spent any of it, they would be in the same financial position as before. This would incentivize hoarding and non-participation in the economy, which has the effect of screwing over everyone. Maybe with the exception of off-gridders, but even they buy generators and shit.
Finally, let's talk about the problem of debt. Yep, that's a really big number. Possibly even a scary one. The thing is, it doesn't really matter how much debt you have. It only matter when you have to pay it back. I could take out a loan for $20T tomorrow, and if the stipulations on the contract are that I pay back lump sum $30T in 300 years, then I will not default on that debt even if I spend every dime with no intention of paying it back, unless I somehow manage to live into my 300's. Fun fact, you can't legally collect debt from dead people, that's why debt collectors use shady tactics like calling it "the moral thing to do". They know they can't force you to pay off your ex-grandpa's gambling debts.
None of those things are defaults, because a default is by definition breaking the terms of a loan. The fact that debt exists, the fact that money isn't backed by gold, and the fact that the government decided to buy up gold at above market price to increase buying power doesn't violate the terms of any (not eerily specific) loan. Therefore, none of these things can be called a default, even though one could argue that they were shenanigans undertaken with the express purpose of making loans easier to pay back. Then again, when I go to work, I would argue that is a form of shenanigans designed to make my credit card debt easier to pay off without pulling a Trump and defaulting/declaring bankruptcy when the monthly bill shows up.
Now, I actually want to know what the stipulations of international loan contracts are. I know that (for example) country A could be 10$ in debt to country B, and country B could be 10$ in debt to country A (which is extremely common in the world...look at how much of other countries' debt the US owns) they normally don't just call it even and forget that they owe each other $10. Alas, this is something that a real economist would do, not an armchair expert with wikipedia like me. Anyone here happen to be a big name international banker with a team of specialists that are willing to chime in? Maybe someone is the director of the IMF? They've eaten a few defaults from Greece and Argentina recently...
Either way, I find it hard to believe that the US would have a credit rating of AA+ after a default, considering most businesses don't get there even with squeaky clean accounting.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
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qman said: We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.
It can easily be paid back if we increase taxes on the super wealthy. I'll present this again for reference:

Notice how the debt/GDP ratio goes down each time there's a president willing to increase taxes on the rich.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
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qman said: Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.
We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens. Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: In that case, not only am I right and you wrong, but you're also stupid.
At least I'm not a passive aggressive pot smoking hippie that loves mushrooms and Hilary! I'll take the former any day!
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Ruyguy said: Here's a idea take some beautiful mushies and maybe it will open your mind a little;)
You're not that good at this, are you?
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I don't think you know what you're talking about, you do realize the US did a devaluation in 1934 of -40? That's a DEFAULT!!
The US went off of the gold standard in 1971 when it was $35 for one ounce of gold, today gold trades at $1350 oz, that's a DEFAULT.
We have $20 trillion of US debt today and it can never be paid back, they will result in a DEFAULT.
I assume you meant the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, which forbade the trading of gold for currency and set the price of gold to $35/oz instead of the current market value of ~20$. This was not an act of devaluation, it was a way for the government to increase its wealth and GNP drastically under the gold standard by attracting scores of foreign investors trying to sell gold. Under the very strict gold standard, this had the effect of significantly multiplying the buying power of the US (and stabilizing the economy coming out of the great depression). Some more recent analyses have argued that had this action not taken place, the real GNP of the US would have been about 50% lower than what it was by 1942.
Next, when the US went off the gold standard, this was partially to turn the economy into a growing organism, as opposed to a zero-sum game where there was a limited amount of total money available. The price of gold rising from the set point of $35 to $1350 is not a form of devaluation, it is simply a reflection of supply and demand, and an illustration of the benefits of a growing economy backed by the government as opposed to shiny rocks. Now, standing still is the same as going backwards, because the total amount of wealth is always increasing and the percentage that you own will shrink if you don't expand your wealth. Before, if someone owned half the gold in the world, and neither them nor their kids spent any of it, they would be in the same financial position as before. This would incentivize hoarding and non-participation in the economy, which has the effect of screwing over everyone. Maybe with the exception of off-gridders, but even they buy generators and shit.
Finally, let's talk about the problem of debt. Yep, that's a really big number. Possibly even a scary one. The thing is, it doesn't really matter how much debt you have. It only matter when you have to pay it back. I could take out a loan for $20T tomorrow, and if the stipulations on the contract are that I pay back lump sum $30T in 300 years, then I will not default on that debt even if I spend every dime with no intention of paying it back, unless I somehow manage to live into my 300's. Fun fact, you can't legally collect debt from dead people, that's why debt collectors use shady tactics like calling it "the moral thing to do". They know they can't force you to pay off your ex-grandpa's gambling debts.
None of those things are defaults, because a default is by definition breaking the terms of a loan. The fact that debt exists, the fact that money isn't backed by gold, and the fact that the government decided to buy up gold at above market price to increase buying power doesn't violate the terms of any (not eerily specific) loan. Therefore, none of these things can be called a default, even though one could argue that they were shenanigans undertaken with the express purpose of making loans easier to pay back. Then again, when I go to work, I would argue that is a form of shenanigans designed to make my credit card debt easier to pay off without pulling a Trump and defaulting/declaring bankruptcy when the monthly bill shows up.
Now, I actually want to know what the stipulations of international loan contracts are. I know that (for example) country A could be 10$ in debt to country B, and country B could be 10$ in debt to country A (which is extremely common in the world...look at how much of other countries' debt the US owns) they normally don't just call it even and forget that they owe each other $10. Alas, this is something that a real economist would do, not an armchair expert with wikipedia like me. Anyone here happen to be a big name international banker with a team of specialists that are willing to chime in? Maybe someone is the director of the IMF? They've eaten a few defaults from Greece and Argentina recently...
Either way, I find it hard to believe that the US would have a credit rating of AA+ after a default, considering most businesses don't get there even with squeaky clean accounting.
Dude, you are so wrong on so many issues I don't even know where to start. The US did devalue the Dollar in 1934, it doesn't matter the rational for it, it was an official devaluation!!
The US went off the gold standard because it was losing all of its gold and it knew they couldn't continue with that trend because the debt was starting to get too large. Of course they said it would help the economy, what else could they say?
Please show me how much foreign debt the US owns?
You don't understand debt, bond markets, interest payments, debt defaults, and currency devaluations.
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It can easily be paid back if we increase taxes on the super wealthy. I'll present this again for reference:

Notice how the debt/GDP ratio goes down each time there's a president willing to increase taxes on the rich.
Pie in the sky, not gonna happen. Our economy grows at 1.5% on average now, even taxing the rich won't cut it, hell we couldn't even get a balanced budget, never mind paying the debt back. 
Do you think we're going to be winning WW3 anything time soon?
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qman said: Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.
We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens. Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???
Illegal women that pop out a kid qualify, their dependent is US citizen!
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qman said: Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive
We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens. Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???
Illegal women that pop out a kid qualify, their dependent is US citizen!
No, only their kid qualifies (and only if the kid is a US citizen). Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
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qman said: Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive
We've been over this before, and I thought we agreed; only their children qualify for social services, and only if their children are US citizens. Did I miss some evidence that their parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive"???
Illegal women that pop out a kid qualify, their dependent is US citizen!
No, only their kid qualifies (and only if the kid is a US citizen). Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
Do they receive housing assistance, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, ect. as a result for having a child inside of the US? Yes they do.
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We found at least 58 instances of Trump promoting false conspiracy theories on everything from immigration to President Obama’s birthplace.
http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/58-donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-and-counting-definitive-trump-conspiracy-guide
Does your Hispanic wife realize that if illegals continue to flood into the US and kill wages for US citizens while leeching off free social services it will affect her standard of living?
Most minorities in the US have no clue that here isn't unlimited resources such as social services inside of the US, the more people asking for pieces of the pie mean the pieces are smaller for everyone.
We have $20 trillion of US debt, we are broke and insolvent, people are in for a very rude awaking in the coming months and years.
Qman, sorry but you don't know shit. First of all it's really difficult for immigrants to receive welfare and all that shit. They aren't leeching off that. Second if they are killing wages it would be picking fruit for 12 hours a day or working a hard ass job like construction or landscaping (which wages are not lowering). They get jobs that no one else wants because it's hard and shitty. Talking about our debt? Fuck, military takes over half of the budget. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/ ; Cost that comes with immigration or public services ain't shit compared to military.
Illegals and their children qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive, they leech over $120 BILLION per year off of US taxpayers.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
Illegals undercut US wages by working for cheaper, this is simple economics, why do you think the border is wide open? Of course US citizens would work those jobs, but not when illegals drive the wages into the ground.
"Military"
It has nothing to do with the subject matter, if we cut military spending that should benefit US citizens, NOT illegals living in the US. 
We need migrants to pick our fruits and vegetables for us for a low wage. Or else the prices of our produce will of have risen very high. You doesn't know, but I have spoken to an contractor that hires migrant workers to work in the fields. I had told him why the workers are all were wearing two layers of clothing with scarves and gloves on in this heat. I told him are they afraid of becoming dark complected. And he said, "no". He said that the chemicals that they sprays on the produces eats a layer of their skin and causes the skin to become irritable, covered with rashes. And if the average Joe goes out in pick these produces for a living, that they will start complaining about the symptoms of ailments that occurs from picking these produce, that it will lead to the public of knowing how strong is the chemicals that is put on their food is. But then that will lead to stop these chemicals companies from spraying their products on our foods. These companies tries to say that their chemicals are harmless, that you can eat it from off of the plant itself. But they has warning signs around these orchards, warning people to not enter because of the toxins that are on the fruits or crops. The immigrants does needs medical insurance, if not; then their countries will start complaining about the health issues that their migrants workers are suffering from. And so they has to give them medical attention and plus they gives them free or very low rent housing while they are working over here. I guess that is what helps the farmers out. Back in the days, the farmers supplies these accommodations, but now, they builds these migrants workers a place to stay and collects the grant money from the government to accommodate them. No one that is from here is that stupid to work in the fields under those conditions.
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
Do they receive housing assistance, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, ect. as a result for having a child inside of the US? Yes they do.
Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
Do they receive housing assistance, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, ect. as a result for having a child inside of the US? Yes they do.
Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
It's though their children, how does a new born take all the benefits for themselves? They don't, their mother does it for them. Why is this concept so difficult to grasp, why do you think the illegal birthrate inside the US is DOUBLE the birthrate of the general population?
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Re: Why non-gay white males hate Hillary [Re: qman]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Please show evidence that the kid's parents "qualify for every social service that a US citizen can receive". Thanks.
It's though their children, how does a new born take all the benefits for themselves? They don't, their mother does it for them. Why is this concept so difficult to grasp
I get it. The mother gets to cash the child's benefits for him, since a child is too young to do that on his own.
Your statement that illegals qualify for social services is factually incorrect.
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What democrat doesn't pander to everyone but Straight white males ?
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