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How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD?
    #23495016 - 07/31/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Long story, lots of details I apologize.

A bit of background, avid shroom user (+20 times) and have only done LSD 3 times. First time with LSD was with best friend. No complaints and amazing experience.

2nd and 3rd LSD doses were alone. Both times, around the 2 wave of peak (and probably bc I smoked weed stupidly), I got into the deep level of the trip where I was not in control anymore. e.g. couldnt ride a bike, bc there no more bike, it was just my subconscious zooming along sidewalk. Cant hold conversations. Supreme deep analytical thoughts etc

Both times, I got severe anxiety and paranoia that this deep stage of the trip would never end, even by 8-12th hour. Just filled with bad thought loops as I went through the insane time dilation.

Example of thoughts:
"you're fine man, it will end in a few hours, you'll be good try to enjoy this.... but what if it doesn't end?.... it will end man, your buddy who gave u the tabs came back to reality too... but what if it doesn't for me, what if im special case... how am I going to be able to disappear for +12 hours from family to sober up... what if im still tripping after 12 hours.... how will i explain my disappearance" you guys get the point.

I have come to a few conclusions:

a) both times the freakout started to happen was when I made plans during the trip to meet ppl, when i was still in control. then when comes time to leave to go meet ppl, I realize i am still way too fucked. and then the bad thought loops begin about "well shit, i can wait it out, but for how long, damn, these last 5 min felt like forever, im just getting more and more tripped out... relax, fuk the plans, just focus on being sober soon... im not sober still high... "

b) the idea that i have to reach out to my wife at some point during the night, via by phone call. Even though i always set out 12 hours of free time, when I get to that deep level of trippyness where i am not in control, I start to panic..."fuck im too fucked, cant even remember things, she will know I am high... but its only hour 5... you are good don't worry, still lots of time... what if it lasts past 12 hours... or if i avoid her calls and disappear to sober up, thats an option... but for how many hours more.... damn 5 minutes only gone by and im mad worried ill be forever gone.... etc".

Conclusions: Both times I took benzos around the 5 hour mark and hate myself for it. Feel like I cant do lsd anymore even though i love it. I just feel the high and time lapse is just so insanely long and intense.

I am worried that next time, even if i set out like 18 hours to myself (not just like 12 hrs), and make sure I absolutely have nothing to do not even call my wife for 18 hours. I still fear that these bad thought loops will come back despite knowing in my head i have ample time to come down, it will just make me go crazier thinking about time passing to sober up.


Any thoughts guys and girls?
Maybe only trip with friends, or just set out way more alone time to ensure comedown period (or does that create more time to go paranoid)?

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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: teamyx] * 1
    #23495047 - 07/31/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Stop tripping for a while, work through whatever it is you need to work through. Then, when the time is right dose again. This time take half of what you normally do. Focus on your intensions beforehand. Practice mediation during your break, so you have a deep breathing meditative practice down pat. Lay down after you dose, put on some calming ambient music, and focus on your breath. Continue to do so as the LSD comes on. When negative feelings arise, accept them. Don't fight them. Accept them, acknowledge them, and let them be. As is the nature of the psychedelic experience, they will pass & relatively quickly. Fight them, focus on them & they'll amplify. Once you get through a trip without them taking over it will become easier in the future. Dose moderately. If you don't allow time for the experience to settle in, or for new things to happen in your life, the trips will become stale & like a broken record.....which will increase the anxiety/paranoia. If you're fresh, have new experiences & knowledge to mull over the trip is more likely to feel novel & exciting.


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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: teamyx]
    #23495120 - 07/31/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Feeling like you're never going to come down on acid is a very common thing more so than I think with any other psychedelic. Probably because for decades people who knew nothing about acid have taken it or been drugged by it and thought they had forever lost their minds. Their energy is still in the LSD dimension.

Never had thoughts like what you said though like "oh the dealer came down so I guess I'll comedown too.."
I've said and thought a lot of stupid things on acid before but never something ^that severe.

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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23495414 - 07/31/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Solution: let go

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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: dodmtdolsd]
    #23495579 - 07/31/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Instead of walking around try tripping in a dark candle lit room with some relaxing music to drift away too.

Like darkstar said take a break, start exercising if you don't and meditate/ eat healthier.

Then when you get back into it you will be much more prepared to have an amazing experience.

Also sounds like maybe you took a bit strong of a dose, you can always start with 1/2 a tab and then meditate/ smoke weed to enhance it.


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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23495871 - 07/31/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with all the others that said to take a break and work thru some of the things you gotta work thru and than go into your trip in a chill setting. Don't plan to go out with anyone or be around a group of people stay with only the one or two friends you have chosen to trip with also and keep it that at. Setting has ALOT to do with how your trip is going to go. The most meaningful trips I have are trips when I'm in a chill setting with only one or two other people. I use to take acid and go to house parties way back when I was in highschool and early 20's and that just wasn't the same as a more relaxed setting. I now would never go out like that anymore. I choose to take my doses in a setting where I know is gonna be meaningful and most enjoyable to me.
  Let go, Have fun, and enjoy my friend :smile:


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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23496002 - 07/31/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just dont have benzos on you when you trip man. We never used to have those sort of crutches when we used to trip. You take it and you ride it out. Builds character that way :P JK haha but really I think to truely overcome it you have to trip without the safety net and let the drugs run their course.


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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23496118 - 07/31/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I appreciate all the replies everyone. I was in a funk because I felt I would no longer be able to do this drug (also bc I don't have any more benzos).

but you are all right, I need to give it a rest and reassess why I can't just let go during a trip. I've concluded next time to do half tab, with a close friend and to basically just ride out the trip in somewhere comfortable like a bed and music and fruit and let the time just go by without thinking about it. thanks all.

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Re: How to avoid relying on Benzos when on LSD? [Re: teamyx]
    #23496945 - 07/31/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lower the dose? It shouldn't be so insanely intense if you lower the dose. also have you considered a shorter acting psychedelic? LSD is long and intense and although I do think there something special about LSD, I just generally prefer shorting experiences so I rarely use it.


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