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Leeq
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Papaver somiferium
#23494667 - 07/31/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright guys, I've got a few papaver somniferum (Opium poppies) growing in my garden.
What's the most efficient way to use them? Slash them all and get opium, or just take the pods and bit of stem and use them for tea?
Also, if I was to brew a tea out of all of my pods, could the tea be then evaporated down in to a sort of opium-resin? if you get?
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Lucis
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Re: Papaver somiferium [Re: Leeq]
#23494907 - 07/31/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, how many pods do you have?
You can't just have a three or four and expect to get some major effect from them. I haven't consumed poppy pod tea since 2011, I used it in the past for pain management for a spinal cord injury I have, works great, but I would use 7-10 pods with straw per bottle of tea.
How large are you pods, full grown, or in pots? The ones in pots are probably not large enough to use for medicinal purposes, unless the pots you have them in are very large which allowed the plants to get to their full potential.
So many variables here, and when dealing with poppies, it's always wise to be safe since they have so many active alkaloids in them which vary in potency a lot too, wouldn't want anyone to harm themselves.
If you have a decent amount of pods, you could make a small amount of opium, that's a process all on its own, but if you a smaller amount of pods, you should just make tea.
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Re: Papaver somiferium [Re: Lucis]
#23496361 - 07/31/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fennario, or anyone else, I have a question regarding tea that kinda fits into this thread.
Okay, I have a lot of experience with PPT from the days when you could get them off eBay, and I definitely get why people make tea, but I was wondering: is there a reason you never hear of people just consuming raw pod powder? Deseed the pods, grind them fine, and straight consume the pod flour. I have a capsule maker machine, and when I'm making kratom capsules, I can make about 15 grams of krat into each 24 capsule batch. Is there any reason that I couldn't encapsulate and consume pods like that, or does it HAVE to be tea for some reason? (I've found that an amount of kratom made into a tea is weaker than the same amount just swallowed, wouldn't it work similarly with poppy pods?)
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Lucis
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I have no idea, I have never read about, or tried ground up pods.
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Leeq
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Re: Papaver somiferium [Re: Lucis]
#23497750 - 08/01/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fennario said: Well, how many pods do you have?
You can't just have a three or four and expect to get some major effect from them. I haven't consumed poppy pod tea since 2011, I used it in the past for pain management for a spinal cord injury I have, works great, but I would use 7-10 pods with straw per bottle of tea.
How large are you pods, full grown, or in pots? The ones in pots are probably not large enough to use for medicinal purposes, unless the pots you have them in are very large which allowed the plants to get to their full potential.
So many variables here, and when dealing with poppies, it's always wise to be safe since they have so many active alkaloids in them which vary in potency a lot too, wouldn't want anyone to harm themselves.
If you have a decent amount of pods, you could make a small amount of opium, that's a process all on its own, but if you a smaller amount of pods, you should just make tea.
They're not ready for harvest yet, but probably will have 12/15 pods, all grown in pots.
Would collecting opium latex from these be a waste?
That was also my other question, could I make a tea, and then evaporate it down? Either evap it down to a level where a small amount of liquid = a nice dose of opium, or to a level where all/most the water is evaporated and I'm left with an almost-opium substance, just the tea evapped down to leave opiate-alkaloid resin, if you get me
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Re: Papaver somiferium [Re: Leeq]
#23497758 - 08/01/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, you can reduce tea way down to a resinous goo. Might help to search here or google for "pod putty".
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Leeq
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Burke Dennings said: Yeah, you can reduce tea way down to a resinous goo. Might help to search here or google for "pod putty".
Cheers mate obviously a larger pod = more opiate alkaloids, but it stil varies quite a bit in potency, yes? So there's no real way to totally accurately dose, is there?
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Leeq
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Re: Papaver somiferium [Re: Leeq]
#23501578 - 08/02/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guys, so the poppy seed does contain small amounts of opium on the outside of the seed. So was thinking of buying 1kg or 2kg (£15 - £30) of seeds, and then would make a extraction using poppy pods, poppy straw, and the 1/2kg of seeds, in acidified water, reduce down to pod putty, then with strong ethanol turn the putty (And possibly some hash as well) in to some laundenum.
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