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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Invisibledemiu5
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Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23481542 - 07/27/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You fail to see the obvious floor in your obsession with the sun.

It will not fail for millions of years and if it eventually does there is no way that humans will survive until that point anyway, we will probably have already wiped ourselves out with nukes.






humans aren't the world


the point is the world (the earth) won't survive eternally; it is incapable of being saved in anything but the extremely short term


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Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23481952 - 07/27/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If it's been around for the billions of years people claim and survived then it has done pretty well. Do you know much of the process of the life of a star? (Genuine question, not a cheap insult)


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I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away



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Re: [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23482459 - 07/27/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




Ghandi said 'Be the change you want to see in the world' which related to saving the self rather than saving the world.  I think this has significantly deeper meaning than the connotation that 'one must start somewhere to evoke change, and it starts with your own effort'.

It could be understood in another way, that you are perhaps the only actual perceiver of the world (with all others being mere residual energy fragments of the 'one') and so, when you change yourself, so too do you change everyone else in the world.



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Re: [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23489315 - 07/29/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Duncan Rowhl said:
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DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




Ghandi said 'Be the change you want to see in the world' which related to saving the self rather than saving the world.  I think this has significantly deeper meaning than the connotation that 'one must start somewhere to evoke change, and it starts with your own effort'.

It could be understood in another way, that you are perhaps the only actual perceiver of the world (with all others being mere residual energy fragments of the 'one') and so, when you change yourself, so too do you change everyone else in the world.







In addition to



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Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

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Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23489363 - 07/29/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Does the world need saving is the question?

As the heathen responds to the Christian's earnest plea to repent and believe the gospel, "Why so? What do I need to be saved from?"

And so the endless back and forth debating begins.


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Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23493870 - 07/30/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




IMO not off base
fancy questions often are a distraction

as Edward Salim Michael says:


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Re: "Saving the world" [Re: laughingdog]
    #23494007 - 07/30/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

What an intense focus this dude had! I looked for snd listened to some of his music, it doesn't fare well as background music, i find it demanding to listen to much like its composer. Cheers!

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Re: [Re: falcon] * 1
    #23499612 - 08/01/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

indeed intense

will order the biography:

The Price of a Remarkable Destiny: The Life and Spiritual Journey of Edward Salim Michael Paperback – December 20, 2014
by Michele Michael (Author), Tania Doney (Translator)

ISBN-10: 1503382583
ISBN-13: 978-1503382589

Amazon:

"From music to a spiritual quest: a whole destiny will play out between these two poles. First, a childhood marked by poverty, followed by the trauma of the Second World War and a passion for music. Then, one day, everything changes. London, 1949: for the first time in his life, Edward Salim Michael, 28 years old, at the time a composer and solo violinist, sees a statue of Buddha. He is transfixed….(and gives up music career) ... without even knowing that what he is doing is called meditation. …. After five years of sustained efforts of concentration, he has a powerful experience of awakening … The years he spends in India will offer him the opportunity of intensifying his practice even more. … This biography, written in simple, direct prose, leads us in the footsteps …"

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