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3 Day Dunk Pinset 1
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I left a cake dunked for 3 days to experiment.
The result, as you'd expect was a heavier cake.
I was concerned about over-hydration and questioned whether I had compromised the potential fruit growth.
This however, is the resulting pinset which marks my best in the 4 years I've done BRF cakes:

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72g 1st Flush

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Nice pinset. I'm not convinced that the 3 day dunk is responsible. Still tho a nice cake.
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Interesting experiment. You should do a side-by-side comparison of like 4 that get dunked regularly and 4 that get dunked the 3 days (or something along those lines)
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Pastywhyte said: Nice pinset. I'm not convinced that the 3 day dunk is responsible. Still tho a nice cake.
To be honest, it was half intentional since my attention was on other things so thought I'd just keep it dunked.
There's another two which were submerged for the same duration which show no pins yet, but the cake shown pinned like that overnight so the other cakes may hopefully follow the same course and give greater weight to claiming that the 3 day was perhaps a key factor.
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Kush_Zombie said: Interesting experiment. You should do a side-by-side comparison of like 4 that get dunked regularly and 4 that get dunked the 3 days (or something along those lines)
I've got another two cakes as mentioned above which were also subjected to the 3 day dunk.
I've also got 1 day dunk cakes in the fruiting chamber but they are on their second flush unfortunately.
I'll possibly try something similar next batch of cakes.
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Try running it with a controlled side by side. Use a clone or isolate. I would definitely watch that one with interest.
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Pastywhyte said: Try running it with a controlled side by side. Use a clone or isolate. I would definitely watch that one with interest.
I'll be taking prints so will do a clone next batch.
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Kush_Zombie said: Also, nice fucking cake dude 
Thanks. It's good when a worry turns into a reward.
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Pastywhyte said: Try running it with a controlled side by side. Use a clone or isolate. I would definitely watch that one with interest.
I'll be taking prints so will do a clone next batch.
Forget prints, should clone one of them pins. Looks like it wants to fruit.
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Tissue > agar > sterilised BRF?
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Sure but it might be easier in a syringe. Make some LI or colonize an LC with a wedge.
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Sure but it might be easier in a syringe. Make some LI or colonize an LC with a wedge.
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So you can grow great cakes with good genetics?
Anyone have any pics of agar to BRF.
Part of me wants to get out of multi spore, another part wants to try grains, another part wants to keep it simple with the cakes.
Looking to grow at this hobby but not looking to dive off the deep end and get frustrated with failure.
Lately I've been spawning cakes to bulk, so I do a little more than just cakes in a SGFC. but often not impressed with yields,potency, pretty fruits etc
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Taking a clone is super easy....expanding the clone into a working culture is just as easy. I forget how scary agar seems to newer cultivators, but it should be chapter 1 for everyone who wants to grow and be successful in this hobby.
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Not trying to jack ops read but I had a buddy I recently gifted quite a bit to, very honest guy, and he said they were bunk. Low potency. I very much believe his word, he wouldn't lie like that for no reason. Wasn't making any money so no point to bullshit. Really saddened me and made me want to ensure I never grow bullshit again. Walmart has a 30 dollar 8qt pressure cooker. I know it's not much but I don't have a lot of disposable income. Really think it'd be better than nothing
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Also OP, that's the best cake pinset I've ever seen. I've had kinda similar, but they grew to be quite small. Curious to see if yours get larger than a few inches before maturing.
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Moabfighter said: Also OP, that's the best cake pinset I've ever seen. I've had kinda similar, but they grew to be quite small. Curious to see if yours get larger than a few inches before maturing.
He might need to bottom water to support the pinset. That's why most great pinsets on cakes stub out. Even totally waterlogged cakes can't support a big pinset like that. The water needs to be provided at a rate the network can handle it.
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Moabfighter said: Also OP, that's the best cake pinset I've ever seen. I've had kinda similar, but they grew to be quite small. Curious to see if yours get larger than a few inches before maturing.
He might need to bottom water to support the pinset. That's why most great pinsets on cakes stub out. Even totally waterlogged cakes can't support a big pinset like that. The water needs to be provided at a rate the network can handle it.
Thanks. Have about 12 cakes going now. Remember you mentioning bottom watering before, I took notes then, and will 100 percent be bottom watering when the time comes it needs it.
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Sweet pinset... I'm in agreement with sir Pasty on the points he's made about watering and the dunk having the effect on the pinset; more likely the different genetics of MS had the most to do with it along with the environment. Beautiful cake though for sure!
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He might need to bottom water to support the pinset. That's why most great pinsets on cakes stub out. Even totally waterlogged cakes can't support a big pinset like that. The water needs to be provided at a rate the network can handle it.
What's the best way to bottom water a cake?
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Set the cake on a saucer and add a bit of water, leave it overnight. Drain off what isn't absorbed by morning and repeat in the evening.
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Pastywhyte said: Set the cake on a saucer and add a bit of water, leave it overnight. Drain off what isn't absorbed by morning and repeat in the evening.
Thanks. I thought so. There's now a real estate crisis in the FC.
Saucers are bigger than anticipated!
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Re: 3 Day Dunk Pinset [Re: cronicr]
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fixed lol
do ya mean to just do ms, but run a huge sample then put through a t test? Cause that would work, just didn't want to assume how big of a grow he wanted to do.
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Grows will always be relatively small.
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Take a good look at your cake. The cakes I have flushed like that always seem to have a few fingers of myc growing over the foil into the perlite, presumably to wick water into the cake to support such a monstrous flush.
I've run several dunking experiments way back when and I never noticed a cake absorbing any more water after the 24hr mark. After 12 hours most all cakes will have absorbed as much as they can hold.
Now you could be adding a factor with the extended dunk. The stress factor of drowning the myc. I doubt this is helpful to your yields in the long run but there is no way I could say for certain.
And btw very nice looking cake!
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holy shit, nice pinset.
ive got some clone jars going now, with 6 i just dunked, and are fruiting, and then 6 that are going to be dunkeed today/tomorrow.
i might go ahead and dunk one or two of the cakes for 2-3 days to test this, myself, compared to how the normal dunked cake are doing now.
im with pasty, though. i not convinced it was from the dunk. could just be an amazing culture.. i would clone one of those clusters, also, like he suggested.
EDIT - thats a great point, too, about it absorbing as much as it would have at the 12ish mark. i have picked up a cake at the 14 hour mark, jsust to see how heavy it was compared to before the dunk, and then again at the end of the 24hour dunk, and it felt basically the same to me at 14 and 24hours. but i didnt put it on a scale. might do that, and weigh them at the 12, 24, 36, etc to see, if i decide to test it. kinda worried it might just ruin the cakes, though.
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I use upside down jars+lids. Just waterproof it with glue (hot or super). Bam a mini saucer that takes up very limited real estate
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Really you don't want any substrate colonized or not, to be completely saturated. Most filament mycelium colonies have a limit as to how much internal pressure they can sustain. Exceed that limit and it literally will inhibit the ability for it to transport the water.
That's why we don't bottom water until the pinset is already in. You need to ensure some of the water has already been used before you add more. I think the OP just has some killer genetics which is why I thought he should clone em. Could be a bit of a shame if he didn't. Those would probably be killer in bulk.
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fixed lol
do ya mean to just do ms, but run a huge sample then put through a t test? Cause that would work, just didn't want to assume how big of a grow he wanted to do.
lol i was just buggin ya, but really all a dunk could do is add water so weigh one after 24 hours and after 3 days....although the one with the three day dunk could develop bacteria very easily which could effect a pinset
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fixed lol
do ya mean to just do ms, but run a huge sample then put through a t test? Cause that would work, just didn't want to assume how big of a grow he wanted to do.
lol i was just buggin ya, but really all a dunk could do is add water so weigh one after 24 hours and after 3 days....although the one with the three day dunk could develop bacteria very easily which could effect a pinset
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That's a lot of pinning going on there. Would bottom watering be a good idea to help support that set?
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george castanza said: Take a good look at your cake. The cakes I have flushed like that always seem to have a few fingers of myc growing over the foil into the perlite, presumably to wick water into the cake to support such a monstrous flush.
I've run several dunking experiments way back when and I never noticed a cake absorbing any more water after the 24hr mark. After 12 hours most all cakes will have absorbed as much as they can hold.
Now you could be adding a factor with the extended dunk. The stress factor of drowning the myc. I doubt this is helpful to your yields in the long run but there is no way I could say for certain.
And btw very nice looking cake! 
The cake is now in a saucer, bottom watering so I can't check for the overhanging mycelium. There were however several pins reaching out beyond the foil, touching the surface of the perlite as you can see in the pic. I don't know if a fruit uptakes for itself or distributes amongst the colony?
Usually when I dunk cakes, I take them out 24 hours later and always think to myself that they are still light. These cakes seemed to have a more satisfying, expected weight to them.
I'm always curious of how much water cakes seem to usually contain and the amount of water needed by the fruits. It never seems to be enough weight wise by my judgement and I always seem to have minimal flushes with early veil breaks.
It will be interesting to see how these turn out.
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It's pretty easy actually. You take the wet weight of your fruits and subtract 10% of that total. That number is the weight of the water in them which if weighed in grams can be directly converted to ml. For a good first flush I find that number should be around 40-50% of the total water in the substrate. If it's more then it's draining the substrate dry. If you are at 40-50% but had a high abort rate, more water needed to be supplied to support the pinset. If it's less than 30% your conditions are bad and need adjusting.
This is pretty general and will not accoint for poor fruiting genetics, but it's pretty much how I look at water usage in a grow. I am always more concerned with the wet weights than the dry.
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yeah, i dont think i am gonna test it, just because im also afraid it would make it get bacterial or something, like Cron mentioned. i bet those genetics are just really nice. hopefully they will be pretty potent, too. then you'll have a sure winner for a clone.
and yeah, i think bottom watering at this point would probably be a good idea. not for the entire time, but like a couple hours every day. but if you dont notice the cake taking in any water, i would stop doing it. for a couple days. really just depends.
and good point Pasty. i need to start weighing my stuff. i forgot to weigh my sub before the PC, so i wont be able to reliably calculate BE, which sucks. i mean, its not that huge a deal to me, at this time, but it's still cool to see what it is. You think if i weighed one to these cakes with very little in-vitro pinning, that I am just about to birth, that it would weigh similar to what it wouldve weighed when i first loaded them? or would the myc have added a significant amount of weight, to throw it off?
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You weigh the dry material for BE. You could go weigh it right now.
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oh! i mean, i just thought that since it had already colonized that the myc growing might have made the weight different. so, thats good to know.
or actually, im retarded.. i could just go load up a jar with the same brf:verm ratio and check that... anyways.. thanks =p
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Pastywhyte said: It's pretty easy actually. You take the wet weight of your fruits and subtract 10% of that total. That number is the weight of the water in them which if weighed in grams can be directly converted to ml. For a good first flush I find that number should be around 40-50% of the total water in the substrate. If it's more then it's draining the substrate dry. If you are at 40-50% but had a high abort rate, more water needed to be supplied to support the pinset. If it's less than 30% your conditions are bad and need adjusting.
This is pretty general and will not accoint for poor fruiting genetics, but it's pretty much how I look at water usage in a grow. I am always more concerned with the wet weights than the dry.
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locallorax said: I use upside down jars+lids. Just waterproof it with glue (hot or super). Bam a mini saucer that takes up very limited real estate
The lids, or anything small wasn't an option unfortunately since there's pins protruding from the bottom in every direction which would make contact with the edge of a lid.
This is also why it's going to be very difficult handling this cake.
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Larger two on the top have broken veils so they will be harvested as not to take up further resources and spread spores:
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yeah, that is such really great pinset. looks like they wont be growing all that much more, though, unfortunately.. bottom water may have helped, but idk. might just be their genetics. the quantity should help make up for the size, tohuhg either way, nice job!
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Yeah, I have to agree.
I can see some of the smaller ones eager to break their veils already so could be waking tomorrow to the first flush result.
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yeah, im betting youll be harvesting tomorrow morning, as well. still, nice job, dude. enjoy em =]
maybe clone those big guys.
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Harvested today. 72g.

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thats pretty good for one cake. maybe it will put out a decent second flush.
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Yeah. Looking forward to see what it puts out next.
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Yeah, I have to agree.
I can see some of the smaller ones eager to break their veils already so could be waking tomorrow to the first flush result.
That is a great pinset on that cake. The reason your mushies are breaking veil so early though, is due to over watering. Those caps look soaked. Mushies need to breathe and the water needs to evaporate to create humidity. Just my two cents.
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they do look a little wet and maybe a tad bit over-misted, but idk if i would say that is the cause of their stunted growth. it could just be genetics.the cake could have possibly been bottom watered to pump more into them. but idk, ive had MS cakes throw out small fruits like that before, even when bottom watering and not over-misting.
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Well regardless wrinkled caps are an indication it was too wet. I like to call them pumpkin caps.
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mupetmower said: they do look a little wet and maybe a tad bit over-misted, but idk if i would say that is the cause of their stunted growth. it could just be genetics.the cake could have possibly been bottom watered to pump more into them. but idk, ive had MS cakes throw out small fruits like that before, even when bottom watering and not over-misting.
It very well could be genetics and if they weren't so wet, I would chalk it up as that being the culprit. Over hydrated mushrooms tend to break veil early though and that's why I made that statement.
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oh, that's good to know.
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mupetmower said: yeah, that is such really great pinset. looks like they wont be growing all that much more, though, unfortunately.. bottom water may have helped, but idk. might just be their genetics. the quantity should help make up for the size, tohuhg either way, nice job!
Yeah, I have to agree.
I can see some of the smaller ones eager to break their veils already so could be waking tomorrow to the first flush result.
That is a great pinset on that cake. The reason your mushies are breaking veil so early though, is due to over watering. Those caps look soaked. Mushies need to breathe and the water needs to evaporate to create humidity. Just my two cents.
I would agree with this. That's why it's better to supply water from below.
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Admitedly, I do fan and mist frequency.
I'll bear it it mind for the next flush and the other cakes. 
There's another good looking pinset emerging on another 3 day dunk cake.
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Niceeeee... Keep the pics comin' 
How much did that weigh in at?
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Thanks haha must have been distracted by that beautiful cake
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looking at this pic again, i really like how the two on top are the big guys, like the king and queen, with all their little peasants beneath them.. or something haah.
but yeah, seems he had conditions on point for that many pins to form.. will probably have some really sweet Monos.
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but yeah, seems he had conditions on point for that many pins to form.. will probably have some really sweet Monos.
And that prince/princess right at the base of them.
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haha yeah man! i missed that one. really cool cake, nonetheless.
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The cake was relatively dry (I thought) so dunked it after the flush.
The following day it was mushy with a whole new cluster of pins...aborted.
I've chucked the cake but I have another two with promising pinsets to follow.
I won't be dunking those after first flush!
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wait.. what? you want to dunk after the first flush.. if it feels a little spongy that is ok.. as long as its not super spongy. usually after a decent first flush, the cake will get a little spongy like that. still should put out another flush, though.
but you want to dunk after the flush because it will have used a majority of its water for the previous fruits.
unless maybe since it put that flush out so fast, maybe you might want to let the cake sit to dry out a little for a day or so after harvest, and then dunk it. that way it wont get waterlogged or anything. i have heard of a few people doing this, but i havent needed to.
but i would still always dunk for second flush. you want that water content to be back up so it will have enough to produce its pins and feed them.
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It was very much close to mush and the aborted pinset wasn't something I was keep on introducing to the chamber. It was a complete side of blue and black.
I'm quite confident that it shouldn't have been dunked, at least not as soon as I done so for the fact that it had been subject to the bottom water (and 3 day dunk).
I'll make the judgement call on the next ones based upon what you've said.
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You sure that wasn't just bruising from where you picked them?
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YaMoonSun said: You sure that wasn't just bruising from where you picked them?
Nah, it wasn't. It was a rotten pinset probably caused by being submerged, but with all this peer pressure and talk of the royalty of the cake, I've just salvaged it, scraped all the crap off it and introduced it back to the chamber! 
The thought of throwing away a potential flush isn't sitting well with me it seems! 
It's had 8 hours worth of drying off time in the bin next to the reminants of a lasagna, bless it.
I'll see what it puts out.
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i used to think that the pins being submerged was the cause fo them aborting as well. but im pretty sure it isnt. it was probably from handling, or something else. i just dunked 12 cakes that all had pins and only 2 aborted.
were they pins that were left over from the first flush? or were these pins that popped up after you harvested? seems to be a really fast timeline for this, which makes me think they might have been just leftover pins from the first flush that maybe never made it.
or maybe it was just leftover mushroom material left from harvesting? sometimes when i have lots of fruits on my cakes, when i harvest, it will seem like there is a lot of material left from the bases of the mushrooms that is really hard to get off. this stuff will usually bruise up really bad and sometimes even start to rot if it's not gotten off. i had this problem really bad with my B+ cakes a month ago.. and it's kinda happened with my current cakes as well.
either way, this is all just speculation, anyways. we never saw it. in the end, it's your judgment call =]
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It was a new pinset (a lot) that had sprouted whilst being submerged. All were black and blue.
There wasn't anything there before I dunked since I tore off the clump of mushrooms cleanly and nothing was forming on the other side of the cake.
There's still no sign on growth on it since putting in the chamber.
In other news, I poured some agar today to clone the two larger fruits which I took samples of.
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oh wait.. for your second flush, did you do a dunk again for 3 hours?? if so, that would explain it getting super mushy and spongy.. it's hard to imagine pins would pop up and abort in only a 24 hour period. but idk. who knows 
and cool, clones are fun.
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It was dunked over night, 12 or so hours. I've never been aware of a 3 hour dunk. I've always done them overnight no matter if fresh or after a flush.
I thought the same about the pins. I haven't seen it before, but this thing is growing fruits fast.
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hmm yeah.. weird.
oh, and i meant 3 days. i was asking if you had dunked it for another 3 days for the second like you did the first. my bad.
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Ah, no. It definately wouldn't have survived another 3 day swim.
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The other 3 day dunked cake first flush....
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Lol@The runt trying to get away from the crowd of big brothers.
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The runt is lil shawty.
I've got another pinning in the same way.
I've got some very early veil breaks on the cake.
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might have gotten a little too wet, but good job
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^ Thanks!
Third 3 day dunk cake....
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Pastywhyte said: Nice pinset. I'm not convinced that the 3 day dunk is responsible. Still tho a nice cake.
Overly wet or over dunked cakes will have big pinsets like that. The cake is producing as many pins as it can because it knows the cake is dying and when it gets the chance it's going to put all its efforts into more caps thus more spores. It's why geolite aquarium setups have mushrooms that look like this a lot.
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I'm not really a cake guy but I have also seen super waterlogged cakes produce nothing. I would like to still see a side by side with these, tho i suspect you are right Adden.
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