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Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying
#23493289 - 07/30/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm 29 years old now and I take good care of my health, don't smoke, don't drink, don't put salt in my food, get my vitamins, and drink plenty water. I also go out running for 10 mins every 2-3 days.
I do this because if I don't take care of my health then I will start having panic anxiety because for example if I start drinking then that's one of the leading causes for heart attacks. I don't like running but I do it to survive.. it feels too much like I have to fight to survive everyday.. can't just relax and do what I enjoy.. always got to take care of my health and exercise.
It feels pointless this struggle that I'm doing for my health though. Because no matter what.. I will die eventually.. and it will most likely be from a heart attack if I take good care of my health and avoid cancers, kidney/liver disease, etc.
So, really, it would be better to just start living unhealthy, enjoy life, stop fighting it and face your death sooner rather than delay it.
But I'm scared of dying, I've read about what it feels like to have a heart attack and it's really scary and painful as hell and the worst part is that there's a big chance that you survive a heart attack. That's the sickest thing imo.. It's like being tortured.. someone killing you and then bringing you back to life so that he can kill you again and again... how sick is that?
That's why I also think a lot about suicide so that I can take control of how I die, make it as least painful as possible.. I'm thinking that a shotgun put into my mouth and aimed towards the brain is the best way to do it.
But as long as I'm taking care of my health properly, I don't need to rush a suicide.. but when should I start doing it? If I wait too many years then I will eventually have that heart attack that I didn't want.. My plan was to suicide before I get a heart attack but you never know when it's going to come. Do you see the big problem here?
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23494543 - 07/31/16 04:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very dark, morbid, kind of twisted thoughts.
Something is bothering you deeply...
Perhaps existential or spiritual immaturity?
That is, you haven't confronted Who in fact you are.
I don't know where to start with this, so I'll recommend reading Aldous Huxley's "The Perennial Philosophy"
Reality just Is, and you are That. You are what alone simply Is. You are not the body that comes and goes.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: beforethedawn]
#23494832 - 07/31/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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just chill out and stop worrying so much about it, live in the felt moment of present experience, do not think about the future and past so much but live in the moment.
Exactly how you die exactly does not matter that much.
If you want to be very healthy then that's fine and do that but you have to weigh the pros and cons of living that lifestyle, if you want to have a drink every once in a while then do that, everything in moderation, maybe start meditating and you can silence that voice in your head that overthinks everything
stop overthinking, start living
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23494839 - 07/31/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes if your young you will not survive a heart attack its.the older folks who can survive one.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23495114 - 07/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You do gotta die and heart failure is a likely cause but you can't worry death away. Talk of suicide to avoid a possible heart attack is abnormal. I suggest you seek a professional.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23495236 - 07/31/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: You do gotta die and heart failure is a likely cause but you can't worry death away. Talk of suicide to avoid a possible heart attack is abnormal. I suggest you seek a professional.
What kind of professional is it exactly that I should talk to? I'm a bit confused on all the different job titles in that field.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23495297 - 07/31/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you need a licensed therapist or a psychologist and the reason I say that is because you're talking about suicide. You're right about death and heart disease but to be plotting a preemptive suicide at this point suggests to me that you need help from someone with the proper training. I'm no expert but I know enough that something's a little bit off with your noodle. No shame in it. Just get it straightened out.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23497618 - 08/01/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry if I jumped right into the spiritual perspective.
Yes there may be a major underlying psychological issue here.
Something like unfulfilled potential, unlived life, to repressed sexuality to repressed trauma, anything.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: beforethedawn]
#23497642 - 08/01/16 05:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: Sorry if I jumped right into the spiritual perspective.
Yes there may be a major underlying psychological issue here.
Something like unfulfilled potential, unlived life, to repressed sexuality to repressed trauma, anything.
It definitely sounds like you're on to something, I have a great need to find a love life partner / soulmate or what the best word is.. It's really hard but I'm also scared if I would find one because then I have to commit to not commiting suicide. It would be so cruel and selfish of me to suicide when her life would break apart then. That's why I'm also feeling a bit stressed and time pressured to decide on if I should suicide or not before I find a soulmate.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23498131 - 08/01/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just get help
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23500585 - 08/02/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If suicide is around the corner "just get help" is the best thing anyone can say.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23501146 - 08/02/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: I'm 29 years old now and I take good care of my health, don't smoke, don't drink, don't put salt in my food,
found the problem, boss
guess you also jack off instead of just drinking your piss
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23502222 - 08/02/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: It definitely sounds like you're on to something, I have a great need to find a love life partner / soulmate or what the best word is.. It's really hard but I'm also scared if I would find one because then I have to commit to not commiting suicide. It would be so cruel and selfish of me to suicide when her life would break apart then. That's why I'm also feeling a bit stressed and time pressured to decide on if I should suicide or not before I find a soulmate.
OP, I really feel you on this one man. I dealt with something similar for a lot of my life. About 8 years ago I started trying to tackle it, as you are, and I feel like I've broken free in the past year.
I think a lot of us feel this, for one reason or another. I won't share why I believe to be this the case in my instance just yet (PM if you want to discuss), but I believe I have discovered it after being in therapy for the last 12 months.
Bear in mind it's probably goona take a while to tackle this, but you clearly need to make it a focus in your life. Please have a go at reading the following book. It goes very, very deep on this subject and is incredibly well written. It was his life's penultimate work if I'm not mistaken...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Denial-Death-Ernest-Becker/dp/0285638971
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23502448 - 08/02/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a brutal book. I've read it. I do not see it as a proper recommendation for where his head's at at all.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23502515 - 08/02/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Perhaps not, not all are as bull headed as me about taking on life head first. I think OP can probably figure it out for himself though.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23502735 - 08/02/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This may be absolutely terrible advice, so feel free to ignore it. Other members, feel free to weigh in on the terribleness/not-so-terribleness.
The thing that stands out most for me from OP is this line:
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Anonymous said: I do this because if I don't take care of my health then I will start having panic anxiety because for example if I start drinking then that's one of the leading causes for heart attacks. I don't like running but I do it to survive.. it feels too much like I have to fight to survive everyday.. can't just relax and do what I enjoy.. always got to take care of my health and exercise.
The fact that you are forcing yourself to do things that you do not like is negative. If you wish to be health conscious, find something that will keep you in shape while simultaneously *not* causing you pain/discomfort/feelings of forced survival. Yes, you have to fight to survive every day by virtue of being mortal, but the human race has spent centuries perfecting survival and taking control of the Earth. There are easier ways to survive nowadays. Maybe an exercise bike?
This part may seem a little...odd, possibly even offensive, but take up skateboarding. Or longboarding, even better. Your goal here is to be involved in a crash that breaks bones. After breaking several bones, and needing several rods, plates, and screws to fix some of those bones, I have absolutely no fear of physical pain. Sure, it's scary, and I would like to avoid it, but after walking three miles to an ER with bone fragments sticking straight through the skin of my arm, it just doesn't seem that bad. Sure, a heart attack will have extensive tissue pain as well as mental pain that is associated with absolute Doom, but at a certain point pain isn't really something to fear. Psychedelic-induced ego death helps with the integration of the feeling of Doom with pain.
As for the suicide thing, and this is where the terrible advice comes into play, I don't particularly see it as a bad thing. I'm not saying "go kill yerself!", because no, you really shouldn't. However, I've thought about this myself lately, and while contemplating my family history of medical problems, I have come to the conclusion that barring external circumstances, I will eventually take my own life. My reasoning is simple: There is a history of heart disease and cancer in my family, which in no biggie. There is also a history of dementia. That scares the absolute fuck out of me. I don't particularly care for my body, though I make a point to stay in shape. My body can waste away to nothing, and as long as my mind is still fine I will be happy. I am absolutely terrified of losing my mind, and having watched dementia slowly claim the minds of family members, I have come to the decision that it will not happen to me. I would rather try my hand at shotgun surgery. Of course, this won't come into play for at least another half century for me, and it sounds like you are on a similar timeline. My best advice here is to wait. Life gets better for a variety of external and biological reasons, and there is no point cutting it short.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23502922 - 08/02/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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About that book, Can you tell me what the point it's making in a nutshell? Because if it's about some kind of belief that we are important, life after death or something religious then I'm not interested. I believe in science, it makes the most sense and seems most believable to me, and in that case we are not important, we are simply alive out of bad luck. Lifes's a losing proposition.. sure there are things to enjoy but there's also things that will make you suffer but the root of it all is that you will die in the end.. if we weren't born in the first place then that would of been the best imho because if we aren't alive then we aren't missing out or anything such as that because we don't exist, there's no soul or thought.. just nothing.
That's why I don't look at it as if my life is "important" other than how my life affects other people such as family or work. I don't understand why people think about suicide almost as if it was a crime, it was a crime not too long ago even.. you would go to prison for failed suicide attempts. Don't people understand that if I would take my life then it's because it makes me feel better (or end of feeling bad rather)?
Kryptos, that's a nice reply, Did you actually have a longboarding accident like you described or was it an example? I envy you that you don't fear pain anymore but I don't want to go through an experience like that. I actually have driven MC rather risky but it's not because I'm hoping for an accident.. I am a really good driver and I feel like I have great control and can avoid any accidents always despite driving what would appear as crazy to some people. I've also thought about beginning longboarding too, I've tried it a bit and I'm currently getting better at foot braking at slow speeds. Soon I'm going to buy gloves.
I guess I'm kind of a coward but then again, I guess it's that I don't have any motivation to be brave perhaps. Brave to face an inevitable heart attack as I grow older. If I get married then I would have to because I am actually brave. But the thing is, it makes more sense to just end it now before I find a GF. It's like heroin.. life that is.. You take it and feel great for a while but then you die or in heroin's case, you spend a week in hell. I haven't tried heroin but I've read about it. So if I get a GF, I'll have a good time but then I have to have a heart attack... laugh first, cry after. Or I could just not go for that bad deal in the first place and just put a shotgun in my mouth.. that makes most sense but it's easier said than done. Kryptos, do you also feel that shotgun put into the mouth and aimed at brain is the best way to go? I don't believe there's been any failed suicide attempts with that approach? I just can't imagine how it could fail.. it's litterally going to blow your hole head away.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23503461 - 08/02/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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About that book, Can you tell me what the point it's making in a nutshell? Because if it's about some kind of belief that we are important, life after death or something religious then I'm not interested.
No, it's quite the opposite of that. It's a book that offers no hope what-so-ever and there's not a word in it that's not true to the core. It's one of the most powerful books I ever read but it is not inspirational in anyway. It doesn't even entertain the possibility that any type of belief in the supernatural (God, religion, afterlife) is real. It simply assumes the reader is intelligent enough to know that's all complete bullshit. Then he argues that even though it's obviously false people who believe are better off because the reality of our situations is so entrenched in hopelessness and despair that if we're capable of fooling ourselves we're better off doing so. But he still respects the reader too much to allow that you're capable of that kind of delusional thinking. He also says that therapy is a hopeless endeavor because the mind is already in the process of decaying and rotting and dying. There's no hope trying to fix the brain. Especially since it will through death cease to even exist in a few decades at best.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23503469 - 08/02/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you also feel that shotgun put into the mouth and aimed at brain is the best way to go? I don't believe there's been any failed suicide attempts with that approach? I just can't imagine how it could fail.. it's litterally going to blow your hole head away.
It fails. I think around 5% survive with permanent brain damage.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23503483 - 08/02/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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salt is good for you, fyi
just don't overdo it with processed foods (often heavy in table salt, devoid of minerals)
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: demiu5]
#23504115 - 08/03/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could end up brain dead. Just stuck inside your brain like some damaged computer probably with perservation of the same thought over and over.
Don't do anything to yourself. Suicide is complete madness, you need help.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
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do you also feel that shotgun put into the mouth and aimed at brain is the best way to go? I don't believe there's been any failed suicide attempts with that approach? I just can't imagine how it could fail.. it's litterally going to blow your hole head away.
It fails. I think around 5% survive with permanent brain damage.
Yep. Normally because it takes a lot of willpower to do, and many (almost all) people twitch involuntarily while pulling the trigger and end up just removing their faces and frontal lobes (which are basically optional). That's what "hesitation marks" are: bullets/pellets embedded in the wall from when someone tried, twitched, and missed. There are also documented cases of people attempting suicide by gun, and then slowly bleeding out over several hours/days while unable to scream in pain because they no longer have a face. Guns have this association with instant death due to hollywood, but it is surprisingly difficult to cause instant death via gunshot. You basically have to completely destroy the brain stem, which is a pretty small target. Plus, even if you succeed, someone is gonna *love* cleaning congealed blood/brain matter out of the nooks and crannies of wherever you do it. Considering lack of family, it'll probably be rotting by then.
There are much better, easier, quieter, and pleasant ways to go, though I am hesitant to mention them here for legal reasons. I do believe that knowing many reliable ways to kill yourself actually makes you less suicidal, as there is comfort in the knowledge that you've paid for your ticket and can get on the bus whenever you want. In the eyes of the law, however, giving someone who has expressed suicidal tendencies any relevant information is manslaughter if they carry it out (I think, Enlil? I know it's a felony).
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Anonymous said: Kryptos, that's a nice reply, Did you actually have a longboarding accident like you described or was it an example?
It was an example. The time I walked to an ER with visible bones was a bike accident. I've also broken bones in high school football. I've never broken a bone while longboarding, but I've had arguably more horrific looking injuries, including once losing almost all the skin on my forearm, side, and leg to road rash. I looked like an extra from Walking Dead. You should have seen the face of the intake nurse when I wandered into the ER after that one. She literally thought I was gonna drop dead in front of her because it looked much worse than it was. They just kinda disinfected me and wrapped me in this medical shrink-wrap type thing while my skin grew back.
About six months later, cysts started popping up everywhere. The general surgeon that took those out was mightily confused, as every single one of those cysts was full of gravel that had presumably embedded itself so deeply in my flesh that they didn't see it while originally shrink wrapping me. Fun fact.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
#23504747 - 08/03/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: In the eyes of the law, however, giving someone who has expressed suicidal tendencies any relevant information is manslaughter if they carry it out (I think, Enlil? I know it's a felony).
Not really.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23505613 - 08/03/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: He also says that therapy is a hopeless endeavor because the mind is already in the process of decaying and rotting and dying. There's no hope trying to fix the brain. Especially since it will through death cease to even exist in a few decades at best.
I think you're overemphasising the hopelessness aspect of the book. You make it sound much worse than it is.
For some people, there is freedom in truth. It doesn't sounded like it worked for you, but it worked absolute wonders for me.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Enlil]
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Kryptos said: In the eyes of the law, however, giving someone who has expressed suicidal tendencies any relevant information is manslaughter if they carry it out (I think, Enlil? I know it's a felony).
Not really.
Looked into this some more. I'm not in one of the three states that allows assisted suicide, and the penalties for assisted suicide are pretty steep here, and the definition of assisted suicide is broad enough that giving someone a method would be illegal if they carried it out, even if they failed to actually kill themselves.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
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Way to move the goalpost. Your original claim was that giving "any relevant information is manslaughter." That's patently inaccurate.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Enlil]
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My original claim was incorrect. This is why I asked for your input. Though, to be fair, the sentencing guidelines for assisted suicide and negligent manslaughter are extremely similar here, hence the confusion.
Sorry if I seem like I am moving goalposts, this is not my intention. I'm trying to figure out where the goalposts are to begin with.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
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Having spoken with some people, I now feel comfortable saying this:
Suicide by gun sucks. The way that I would use is inert gas. Specifically, I would buy myself a tank of nitrogen gas, hook up a mask, set the gas flow to ~4L/min, and just breathe. This would lead to unconsciousness within five minutes, and death due to asphyxiation within 15. Look up "Exit Bag" for specifics, though their information when it comes to suppliers and pricing is terrible. A 50L cylinder of LN2 costs 6$ from a gas supply company, though you may have to answer some questions.
The reason for this is simple. Normally, asphyxiation sucks. Try holding your breath. Your body fights to breathe, and it is not pleasant. This reaction is caused by a spike in CO2 levels in the blood, which is how your body decides that it is in trouble. Nitrogen gas, or any other inert gas, will completely avoid this. Instead of causing rising levels of CO2 in the blood, you simply don't breathe in any oxygen. You still breathe out CO2, so your blood CO2 levels never rise to the internal "warning!" levels. Your body can't tell that it isn't getting enough oxygen. You just get sleepy, as one of the first things that happens when you fall asleep is your breathing slows down to levels that would freak your awake brain out. Then, you fall asleep, and then, you die due to anoxia. Peaceful, clean, and fairly safe to the person that finds you (unlike the car exhaust/carbon monoxide method, which has in many cases killed the person that finds the body due to CO poisoning before).
Again, I want to make clear that I am not saying "go out and buy a tank of LN2 this weekend". I sincerely hope that this knowledge is used as a form of comfort. Killing yourself is extremely easy, completely painless and not even remotely scary when done properly. This is why it should be a last resort for people that have lived full lives, and have only pain and misery (or the slow decomposition of their mind) to look forward to. This is simply not true at age 29 (with the exception of several rare, debilitating diseases). I won't say "it gets better", even though it has been experimentally proven that life does seem to get better with age. That doesn't help. Improving your situation in life takes lots of hard work and sacrifice, and you will hate yourself for it. Change is hard. It's much easier to stay in the same place with familiar, though inferior, comforts. I also don't want to say that suicide is selfish, as many people argue. I don't think it is selfish to put your own needs above the needs of others. I also don't particularly like the phrasing of "a permanent solution to a temporary problem" because there are people for whom it is not a temporary problem.
If we put all of these arguments together, there is one consistent, common, theme: think before you act. In most cases, suicide is a spur-of-the-moment decision absent of rational consideration and thought. This is the problem. Someone that starts thinking about suicide and commits suicide within the next hour has not had time to adequately process the implications of their actions, and there is no way to take it back. Someone who has thought long and hard about it, and rationally (and sober-ly) decided that suicide is the way to go, I can find no fault with.
I'll leave you with this:
I think the most important line in that song is "And I can take or leave it, if I please". Once you take it, you can't put it back down. It's like a glitched quest item in Skyrim. The longer you leave it, the longer the other option stays solvent. It is entirely your choice, and the opinion of me or anyone else is completely irrelevant compared to your inner thoughts. It's just not a choice to be taken lightly.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
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TheFakeSunRa said: He also says that therapy is a hopeless endeavor because the mind is already in the process of decaying and rotting and dying. There's no hope trying to fix the brain. Especially since it will through death cease to even exist in a few decades at best.
I think you're overemphasising the hopelessness aspect of the book. You make it sound much worse than it is.
For some people, there is freedom in truth. It doesn't sounded like it worked for you, but it worked absolute wonders for me.
I had a feeling you were going to rebuke that. I don't think the book is designed to "work" for people. I think it's a direct expression of truth and only interested in truth. As you know, it hammers it home. Either way, I think we agree that it's a very powerful book.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said: Either way, I think we agree that it's a very powerful book.
That we do man. There's many ways to skin a cat, but a combination of techniques is what seems to work best for me.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos, I've thought alot about exit bags before but from what I've read they're not 100% fail safe either.. if there's the slightest bit.. even microscopical (don't take it litterally though) of air intake then that could cause some serious brain damage instead of death.
The 5% failure rate for shotgun.. is that only caused by them jerking the gun when they pull the trigger so that it blows off something else instead? I read that what you can do that combat that is to tape the shotgun so it's firm inside your mouth and pointed at your brain. It would be really hard to miss the part of the brain with a shotgun.. with a pistol it would be easy to miss though.
The reason I prefer a shotgun is because, I've thought a lot about what it would be like to use an exit bag but you need to tape your hands so that you don't abrupt the suicide before you're dead.. which can leave you brain damaged. Whatever you do.. you need to trap yourself so there's no way to fight your way out of the room or exit bag. Just imagine what horrible experience it has to be even though there's no real physical pain.. the moment you seal yourself into your trap... you have to wait until you die.
but with a shotgun... the moment you gather the strength to pull the trigger.. then it's done. If you dont pull it.. do it another day.. no harm done. but when you do pull the trigger, then you know there's no pain and no being trapped and waiting to fall asleep/die and can't escape because your survival instincts will kick in.
Sure, it's messy but you could put plastic all over the exposure area so it will at least be a bit easier to clean up.
What are your thoughts?
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
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For fuck's sake get help.
This thread has really gotten out of control.
You don't need suicide advice; you need living advice.
Please get help.
People, please don't bump this thread with suicide techniques and other bullshit.
Go to a doctor. You need counseling or psychiatry. You need someone with training.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23508358 - 08/04/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a name for this, hypochondriasis.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#23515484 - 08/06/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a great need to find a love life partner / soulmate or what the best word is...
You don't need anyone to be happy.
Give up the irrational belief someone will save you from your suffering.
It's nobody's job to love you. That's your job
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