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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: demiu5]
#23504115 - 08/03/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could end up brain dead. Just stuck inside your brain like some damaged computer probably with perservation of the same thought over and over.
Don't do anything to yourself. Suicide is complete madness, you need help.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23504454 - 08/03/16 04:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you also feel that shotgun put into the mouth and aimed at brain is the best way to go? I don't believe there's been any failed suicide attempts with that approach? I just can't imagine how it could fail.. it's litterally going to blow your hole head away.
It fails. I think around 5% survive with permanent brain damage.
Yep. Normally because it takes a lot of willpower to do, and many (almost all) people twitch involuntarily while pulling the trigger and end up just removing their faces and frontal lobes (which are basically optional). That's what "hesitation marks" are: bullets/pellets embedded in the wall from when someone tried, twitched, and missed. There are also documented cases of people attempting suicide by gun, and then slowly bleeding out over several hours/days while unable to scream in pain because they no longer have a face. Guns have this association with instant death due to hollywood, but it is surprisingly difficult to cause instant death via gunshot. You basically have to completely destroy the brain stem, which is a pretty small target. Plus, even if you succeed, someone is gonna *love* cleaning congealed blood/brain matter out of the nooks and crannies of wherever you do it. Considering lack of family, it'll probably be rotting by then.
There are much better, easier, quieter, and pleasant ways to go, though I am hesitant to mention them here for legal reasons. I do believe that knowing many reliable ways to kill yourself actually makes you less suicidal, as there is comfort in the knowledge that you've paid for your ticket and can get on the bus whenever you want. In the eyes of the law, however, giving someone who has expressed suicidal tendencies any relevant information is manslaughter if they carry it out (I think, Enlil? I know it's a felony).
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Anonymous said: Kryptos, that's a nice reply, Did you actually have a longboarding accident like you described or was it an example?
It was an example. The time I walked to an ER with visible bones was a bike accident. I've also broken bones in high school football. I've never broken a bone while longboarding, but I've had arguably more horrific looking injuries, including once losing almost all the skin on my forearm, side, and leg to road rash. I looked like an extra from Walking Dead. You should have seen the face of the intake nurse when I wandered into the ER after that one. She literally thought I was gonna drop dead in front of her because it looked much worse than it was. They just kinda disinfected me and wrapped me in this medical shrink-wrap type thing while my skin grew back.
About six months later, cysts started popping up everywhere. The general surgeon that took those out was mightily confused, as every single one of those cysts was full of gravel that had presumably embedded itself so deeply in my flesh that they didn't see it while originally shrink wrapping me. Fun fact.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
#23504747 - 08/03/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: In the eyes of the law, however, giving someone who has expressed suicidal tendencies any relevant information is manslaughter if they carry it out (I think, Enlil? I know it's a felony).
Not really.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23505613 - 08/03/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: He also says that therapy is a hopeless endeavor because the mind is already in the process of decaying and rotting and dying. There's no hope trying to fix the brain. Especially since it will through death cease to even exist in a few decades at best.
I think you're overemphasising the hopelessness aspect of the book. You make it sound much worse than it is.
For some people, there is freedom in truth. It doesn't sounded like it worked for you, but it worked absolute wonders for me.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Enlil]
#23505725 - 08/03/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: In the eyes of the law, however, giving someone who has expressed suicidal tendencies any relevant information is manslaughter if they carry it out (I think, Enlil? I know it's a felony).
Not really.
Looked into this some more. I'm not in one of the three states that allows assisted suicide, and the penalties for assisted suicide are pretty steep here, and the definition of assisted suicide is broad enough that giving someone a method would be illegal if they carried it out, even if they failed to actually kill themselves.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
#23505766 - 08/03/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Way to move the goalpost. Your original claim was that giving "any relevant information is manslaughter." That's patently inaccurate.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Enlil]
#23505792 - 08/03/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My original claim was incorrect. This is why I asked for your input. Though, to be fair, the sentencing guidelines for assisted suicide and negligent manslaughter are extremely similar here, hence the confusion.
Sorry if I seem like I am moving goalposts, this is not my intention. I'm trying to figure out where the goalposts are to begin with.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
#23505997 - 08/03/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Having spoken with some people, I now feel comfortable saying this:
Suicide by gun sucks. The way that I would use is inert gas. Specifically, I would buy myself a tank of nitrogen gas, hook up a mask, set the gas flow to ~4L/min, and just breathe. This would lead to unconsciousness within five minutes, and death due to asphyxiation within 15. Look up "Exit Bag" for specifics, though their information when it comes to suppliers and pricing is terrible. A 50L cylinder of LN2 costs 6$ from a gas supply company, though you may have to answer some questions.
The reason for this is simple. Normally, asphyxiation sucks. Try holding your breath. Your body fights to breathe, and it is not pleasant. This reaction is caused by a spike in CO2 levels in the blood, which is how your body decides that it is in trouble. Nitrogen gas, or any other inert gas, will completely avoid this. Instead of causing rising levels of CO2 in the blood, you simply don't breathe in any oxygen. You still breathe out CO2, so your blood CO2 levels never rise to the internal "warning!" levels. Your body can't tell that it isn't getting enough oxygen. You just get sleepy, as one of the first things that happens when you fall asleep is your breathing slows down to levels that would freak your awake brain out. Then, you fall asleep, and then, you die due to anoxia. Peaceful, clean, and fairly safe to the person that finds you (unlike the car exhaust/carbon monoxide method, which has in many cases killed the person that finds the body due to CO poisoning before).
Again, I want to make clear that I am not saying "go out and buy a tank of LN2 this weekend". I sincerely hope that this knowledge is used as a form of comfort. Killing yourself is extremely easy, completely painless and not even remotely scary when done properly. This is why it should be a last resort for people that have lived full lives, and have only pain and misery (or the slow decomposition of their mind) to look forward to. This is simply not true at age 29 (with the exception of several rare, debilitating diseases). I won't say "it gets better", even though it has been experimentally proven that life does seem to get better with age. That doesn't help. Improving your situation in life takes lots of hard work and sacrifice, and you will hate yourself for it. Change is hard. It's much easier to stay in the same place with familiar, though inferior, comforts. I also don't want to say that suicide is selfish, as many people argue. I don't think it is selfish to put your own needs above the needs of others. I also don't particularly like the phrasing of "a permanent solution to a temporary problem" because there are people for whom it is not a temporary problem.
If we put all of these arguments together, there is one consistent, common, theme: think before you act. In most cases, suicide is a spur-of-the-moment decision absent of rational consideration and thought. This is the problem. Someone that starts thinking about suicide and commits suicide within the next hour has not had time to adequately process the implications of their actions, and there is no way to take it back. Someone who has thought long and hard about it, and rationally (and sober-ly) decided that suicide is the way to go, I can find no fault with.
I'll leave you with this:
I think the most important line in that song is "And I can take or leave it, if I please". Once you take it, you can't put it back down. It's like a glitched quest item in Skyrim. The longer you leave it, the longer the other option stays solvent. It is entirely your choice, and the opinion of me or anyone else is completely irrelevant compared to your inner thoughts. It's just not a choice to be taken lightly.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23506360 - 08/03/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: He also says that therapy is a hopeless endeavor because the mind is already in the process of decaying and rotting and dying. There's no hope trying to fix the brain. Especially since it will through death cease to even exist in a few decades at best.
I think you're overemphasising the hopelessness aspect of the book. You make it sound much worse than it is.
For some people, there is freedom in truth. It doesn't sounded like it worked for you, but it worked absolute wonders for me.
I had a feeling you were going to rebuke that. I don't think the book is designed to "work" for people. I think it's a direct expression of truth and only interested in truth. As you know, it hammers it home. Either way, I think we agree that it's a very powerful book.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23507088 - 08/03/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: Either way, I think we agree that it's a very powerful book.
That we do man. There's many ways to skin a cat, but a combination of techniques is what seems to work best for me.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Kryptos]
#23507404 - 08/03/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos, I've thought alot about exit bags before but from what I've read they're not 100% fail safe either.. if there's the slightest bit.. even microscopical (don't take it litterally though) of air intake then that could cause some serious brain damage instead of death.
The 5% failure rate for shotgun.. is that only caused by them jerking the gun when they pull the trigger so that it blows off something else instead? I read that what you can do that combat that is to tape the shotgun so it's firm inside your mouth and pointed at your brain. It would be really hard to miss the part of the brain with a shotgun.. with a pistol it would be easy to miss though.
The reason I prefer a shotgun is because, I've thought a lot about what it would be like to use an exit bag but you need to tape your hands so that you don't abrupt the suicide before you're dead.. which can leave you brain damaged. Whatever you do.. you need to trap yourself so there's no way to fight your way out of the room or exit bag. Just imagine what horrible experience it has to be even though there's no real physical pain.. the moment you seal yourself into your trap... you have to wait until you die.
but with a shotgun... the moment you gather the strength to pull the trigger.. then it's done. If you dont pull it.. do it another day.. no harm done. but when you do pull the trigger, then you know there's no pain and no being trapped and waiting to fall asleep/die and can't escape because your survival instincts will kick in.
Sure, it's messy but you could put plastic all over the exposure area so it will at least be a bit easier to clean up.
What are your thoughts?
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23508253 - 08/04/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For fuck's sake get help.
This thread has really gotten out of control.
You don't need suicide advice; you need living advice.
Please get help.
People, please don't bump this thread with suicide techniques and other bullshit.
Go to a doctor. You need counseling or psychiatry. You need someone with training.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23508260 - 08/04/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- [quote]Asante said: You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar. You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason. I disendorse you.[/quote]
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#23508358 - 08/04/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a name for this, hypochondriasis.
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Re: Fear of dying even though theres no present risk of dying [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#23515484 - 08/06/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a great need to find a love life partner / soulmate or what the best word is...
You don't need anyone to be happy.
Give up the irrational belief someone will save you from your suffering.
It's nobody's job to love you. That's your job
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