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Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use
    #23491963 - 07/30/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello all

This is not my first time here, but it has been years.

I intend to eat azurescens frequently with low-mild doses, to help with depression and fogginess I am posting in hopes to glean from others' knowledge and experience with this kind of use.

Also, I have experienced paralysis and numbness from azures, and I can't seem to find any information on the toxicity or chemical identifications of this mushroom. I have my doubts to use this long-term.

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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: ForThisReason]
    #23491973 - 07/30/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Azurecens cannot be reliably cultivated indoors.
Why not use a more reasonable species...


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23491988 - 07/30/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

wait. paralysis from them? is that really an effect from Azurecens?


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: mupetmower]
    #23491995 - 07/30/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From what I've read it's folklore and misidentifying its also hard to find any info about it which makes it even more unbelievable


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23492073 - 07/30/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sounds like someone's simply tripping to me :shrug: I cant walk when I trip either..


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23492091 - 07/30/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im not so sure about that.
I've never tried azures, but have had plenty of experience with cubes, high doses 10 grams plus..
I think paralysis is very real. Its happened to me and a girlfriend of mine a few times.
It hasn't happened often, but when it has it was kinda overwhelming, high doses can do some weird things. ime
But i don't believe there is any risk of respiratory depression or any permanent damage from it.

With high doses you're at the mercy of the mushroom. I know for sure I've expierenced this as well as a few others.
It is real.


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: billy jowl] * 1
    #23492104 - 07/30/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it's not paralysis you just think that because you're tripping. Happens on high doses of most psychs to me..


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: billy jowl]
    #23492117 - 07/30/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14012628


Check out this thread as far as the paralytic effects go


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23492130 - 07/30/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

thread basically disagrees with itself from start to end, its called explanation of paralysis then right in the OP it says " I really have very little idea of what causes it. "

then some talk about it only happening on wood lovers, and people says it happened on cyans,
then some talk about how tea negates the paralysis followed by anecdotes on how it happned to them on tea.

TL;DR Its called tripping, if you dont like it find something else to do :super:


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: spacechildo]
    #23492140 - 07/30/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i have had plenty of high doses(of cubes, but not azurecens) and never, not even once, was(or thought i was) paralyzed... i can always walk and move around. sometimes i dont want to, but i still can.


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: spacechildo]
    #23492144 - 07/30/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea the anecdotal evidence is wrote by questionable people


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: mupetmower]
    #23492154 - 07/30/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i have had plenty of high doses(of cubes, but not azurecens) and never, not even once, was(or thought i was) paralyzed... i can always walk and move around. sometimes i dont want to, but i still can.




what's a high dose to you? If I eat close to an oz there's no way I'm moving, more like spasming.


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: spacechildo]
    #23492162 - 07/30/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i mean, ive eaten up to 10-12g dry.. not PE, but yeah. that i count as a really high dose for me. ive never eaten an oz, though, so... =p

maybe that would do it. but idk if i would call it paralysis, still. just tripping, like you said.


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23492193 - 07/30/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea the anecdotal evidence is wrote by questionable people



'Questionable people'
Ok no need to be condescending.
By paralysis I mean my brain can not physically control coordinated movement's.
I could roll around on the floor, so its not quite the official definition of paralysis.
But there was absolutely no way i could walk or make coordinated movement's.

I agree though its just part of tripping on extremely high doses. So maybe not quite the cliniica
def. of paralysis.

Also shouldn't this be in TPE


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: mupetmower]
    #23492196 - 07/30/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not saying that the whole paralytic thing is true but some mushrooms are known to absorb toxins from the wood/substrate they grow on.

Would it be possible that there is a correlation between woodlovers paralytic effect coupled with high doses and what its growing on?


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: billy jowl]
    #23492227 - 07/30/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Would it be possible that there is a correlation between woodlovers paralytic effect coupled with high doses and what its growing on?




since it is an effect of tripping, and not eating mushrooms, no. many substances are made in a lab and not grown on anything.

When everthing looks like through a caleidoscope on MDMA I dont say I'm going blind or losing my vision, I say oh man I'm tripping.

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Also shouldn't this be in TPE




this sounds like something the funny people over at TPE started, yeah.
do dealer grade shrooms cause paralysis too? :lol:


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: spacechildo]
    #23492234 - 07/30/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:dealershrooms:


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: spacechildo]
    #23492240 - 07/30/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Take enough of any psilocybe and you will not only be paralyzed, you may also piss and shit yourself while doing the floppy chicken on the floor.

Super potent species like azurescens are going to have this happen more, especially with people who are inexperienced. But even carefully isolated cubes will throw a novice through a wall and blast their face out their asshole. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: mupetmower]
    #23492250 - 07/30/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dealer shrooms put me into a coma.:shakeface:

After the seizure of course.
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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23492272 - 07/30/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Take enough of any psilocybe and you will not only be paralyzed, you may also piss and shit yourself while doing the floppy chicken on the floor.

Super potent species like azurescens are going to have this happen more, especially with people who are inexperienced. But even carefully isolated cubes will throw a novice through a wall and blast their face out their asshole. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

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Yeah I had an oz of cubes. Vastly different from 10g. Pasty summed it up nicely. I did indeed piss myself that trip. Had to pee every 15 minutes and I couldn't fuckin move lol. Tho looking back I'm not sure if I couldn't move, or if I wouldn't move xD


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: billy jowl]
    #23492273 - 07/30/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've seen people "paralyzed" after eating 200 P.Semilacentata's but LOL They were fine, just trippin so hard that overwhelm them :wink:


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    #23492281 - 07/30/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yeah the having to piss very often happens to me on higher doses, as well. wonder why mushrooms and others(like lsd) make you have to pee so much..

and yeah, i would assume an oz would be vastly different than 10g. ive never done than much haha..


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    #23492294 - 07/30/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah for me it's even hard to pee sometimes after strong mushies.It jus feel strange like im pissed my pants or something :laugh: Come on I hate it about mushrooms :mad:


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    #23492296 - 07/30/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

lol, the "oh fuck I pissed myself" is universal :lol:

get your mist bottle and spray a buddy in the crotch when tripping, you'll laugh your ass off at the clown running around complaining!


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    #23492304 - 07/30/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hell yeah anywere on the globe the same " Am I just pissed myself guys?" happens  :feelswierman:


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    #23492316 - 07/30/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha yeah..

thats kinda mean, though, space =p


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    #23492454 - 07/30/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have consumed heroic doses, and of course I have been 'paralyzed' because my mind is on such high thoughts.

My experience with azures is different. I literally had parts of my body that were not functioning. The sides of my face had dropped and couldn't respond to facial expressions. This was all in the afterglow, when I had come down. And while driving, I discovered I had to lift my legs with my arms to pull off the pedal. Whoever claims the kind of paralysis of which I speak is purely psychological, either speaks out of his own inexperience, or from misguided information. I am certain of my experience, and the validity of my statements.

But this is off point: my question relates to a medicinal approach, not recreational purposes. To answer one question, If I could cultivate, I would grow cubensis, as my experience has been good. But I am a family man, unable to cultivate indoors. Azures occur naturally, and is all I have at this point.

Really I am interested in other persons experience with this way with mushrooms. I appreciate all who shares their insight and ideas.


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23492481 - 07/30/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Whoever claims the kind of paralysis of which I speak is purely psychological, either speaks out of his own inexperience, or from misguided information. I am certain of my experience, and the validity of my statements.




Did you even consider this?

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Super potent species like azurescens are going to have this happen more, especially with people who are inexperienced. But even carefully isolated cubes will throw a novice through a wall and blast their face out their asshole. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

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so azures made you really trip, you had a mild effect on cubes and a stronger effect on azures that are stronger.
pretty simple stuff.


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    #23492496 - 07/30/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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    #23492513 - 07/30/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

still just a bunch of newbies tripping hard for the first time as far as I can tell :shrug:

You can find hundreds of newbs blaiming damions bucket tek for fails in the thread but they're still just people looking for something to "blame"
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    #23492522 - 07/30/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have zero respect for any documentation posted in TPE


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    #23492557 - 07/30/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well I haven't ever had a wood lover. Bad climate and all, so I don't have any personal XP, but a quick Google of wood lover paralysis seems to have a lot of people saying they lose control of different muscles. I feel this shit belongs in TPE anyways.


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    #23492618 - 07/30/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, but I trust Adden's had plenty of experience with woodlovers. He had one side of his body go limp on a trip just a couple of months ago. He thought he'd had a stroke. I mean, it's anecdotal… but still.

I have noticed much less dexterity when I'm trippin'. I can roll some nice jays, but trippin', I can't roll anything. I'll even make a huge mess packing a bowl.


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Re: Cultivating Frequent Low-Dosage Use [Re: dankington]
    #23497415 - 08/01/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To answer my own question of frequent low-dosage use, the issue of azures and muscle paralysis aside, a quick search on microdosing and James Fadiman will reveal some good information.

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