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55 gallons of LC
    #23491152 - 07/30/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have a 55 gallon steel drum and I need some outside opinions on my logic. The logic of how I'm going about this, not why. My family have some land and my uncle keeps live stock on it. Every so often he moves the cattle from one pasture to another. In one of the pastures the water tank is right under a small grove of huge, sprawling oak trees. Naturally the cows like to hang out in the shade on hot days and also spend a lot of time drinking. These two variables mean there's a lot of shit in a relatively small area. I am thinking about raking the area around the water tanks in the other three pastures and bringing it to the shaded site with our tractor. All together I bet there would be about a 2" layer of shit over an area with the dimensions of ~75'x150', or 11,250 sq ft.

Now to the how of it.

I have a black, steel, 55 gal drum that I intend on fitting with two Plexiglas windows directly across from each other so I can keep an eye on stuff, sealed with silicone. There are two larger holes in the the lid that will be utilized for GE and hooking the barrel to the sprayer. The bigger of the two holes will be used to GE as it is almost the perfect size for a filter disc and I really don't need a bid diameter hole for spraying but I do need the threading and it is closer to he diameter of the hose. Less messing around with having to step down in diameters later. I would insert a smooth interior diameter male end into the hole and then insert a pvc pipe that was a small enough diameter that I could use it as a sort of swizzle stick. I'd have a booth that was secured by the male end and came up and held with a hose clamp on the pvc pipe. I'll be adding an injection port just like on a little jar and will be pumping a Qt jar of LC in to the barrel using a 100 ml syringe. 2.75 gallons of Karo will be used with 50 gallons of mineral water. Before I add these two together I would set the barrel on something, haven't figured this out yet, perhaps at least a foot off the ground. Then build a fire around the barrel and boil the mixture for at least an hour. Not sure how to protect the Plexiglas either. After cooling for 24 hrs I'd move the barrel back into my garage and knock it up. Monitored with the windows installed and then when the day comes hook it up to the PTO sprayer on the tractor and spread my seed.

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay] * 1
    #23491164 - 07/30/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What would you need 55 gallons for I'd imagine you could do acres with that much
You only need 1cc for a half pint jar
250036cc is roughly 55 gallon (UK) would do 62509 pints worth of substrate lol


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay] * 1
    #23491226 - 07/30/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Flaws/questions to ask before

1) how many successful lcs have you done before? 50? How many jars have you successfully fruited made from lc innoc? 500 quarts?

2) how are you making sure the lc is sterile, specifically, beyond 'a fire under it', do you have a pressure gauge on the barrel?

3) bags would probably be better suited so you can see visually see growth. The plexiglass window is not goin to be verifying every gallon of the lc is clean, people fuck that up with pints of lc and your talking about visually checking 50 gallons in one container. impossible.

4) all your eggs in one basket.  The cow farm doesnt have one cow that weighs 55 tons, it has 55 cows that weigh a ton each. So if one thing fucks up one cow their entire farm is not lost. Ever heard the expression betting the farm?

5) lc goes to grain, then substrate, never seen it go lc>> substrate except in smaller sterile containers.
So im pretty sure its a wild goose chase


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23491241 - 07/30/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bragging rights. Why do people put a V8 engine on a motorcycle frame? I see what you're saying though. With the help of Google I think I've figure out what exactly it would take, if I felt like being reasonable. There are approximately 29 cubic inches in a pint. So, we need to convert ft to inches. (75'x150') 12" x 2"deep = 9,310 Pints, 18,620 half pint jars. 3785.41 milliliters in a gallon and one milliliter per half pint leads us to 18,620/3785.41 = 4.9188859331 gallons.

Also, I came up with 208197.55 half pint jars with 55 gallons of LC.

While I was doing this I was day dreaming about doing this with a wood lover and spraying the woods, all the woods, every where.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: filthyknees]
    #23491256 - 07/30/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Flaws/questions to ask before

1) how many successful lcs have you done before? 50? How many jars have you successfully fruited made from lc innoc? 500 quarts?

2) how are you making sure the lc is sterile, specifically, beyond 'a fire under it', do you have a pressure gauge on the barrel?

3) bags would probably be better suited so you can see visually see growth. The plexiglass window is not goin to be verifying every gallon of the lc is clean, people fuck that up with pints of lc and your talking about visually checking 50 gallons in one container. impossible.

4) all your eggs in one basket.  The cow farm doesnt have one cow that weighs 55 tons, it has 55 cows that weigh a ton each. So if one thing fucks up one cow their entire farm is not lost. Ever heard the expression betting the farm?

5) lc goes to grain, then substrate, never seen it go lc>> substrate except in smaller sterile containers.
So im pretty sure its a wild goose chase





#1 don't see the relevance

#2 good point, with the threaded openings i could easily adapt a pressure gauge to fit the smaller hole

#3 never though about bags...maybe. I guess more than one set of windows would need to be installed but I think you're over stating this specific problem. bulk liquid bags

#4 a little redundant

#5 spraying liquid culture


Thank you for the input. This idea has my head swimming with the possibilities.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23491278 - 07/30/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bragging rights. Why do people put a V8 engine on a motorcycle frame? I see what you're saying though. With the help of Google I think I've figure out what exactly it would take, if I felt like being reasonable. There are approximately 29 cubic inches in a pint. So, we need to convert ft to inches. (75'x150') 12" x 2"deep = 9,310 Pints, 18,620 half pint jars. 3785.41 milliliters in a gallon and one milliliter per half pint leads us to 18,620/3785.41 = 4.9188859331 gallons.

Also, I came up with 208197.55 half pint jars with 55 gallons of LC.

While I was doing this I was day dreaming about doing this with a wood lover and spraying the woods, all the woods, every where.



I'm using UK measurements lol I'm not shitting on your idea go for it if it worked it would be cool to see like something outta Alice in wonderland


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23491288 - 07/30/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I'm thinking man. Or wizard of Oz and instead of a poppy field a fucking forest of mushrooms.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23491290 - 07/30/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That's what I'm thinking man. Or wizard of Oz and instead of a poppy field a fucking forest of mushrooms.



Aha yeah that would be awesome


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23491308 - 07/30/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think my math was wrong. There are 144 sq inches in a sq foot so it would be (75'x150')144"x2"=3,240,000 cubic inches divided by 29 to give us the pints, which come out to 111724.13 and 223448.27 for half pints. 3785.41 milliliters in a gallon, 223448.27 divided by 3785.41 = 59.02 gallons. There are 43,560 sq ft in an acre and we just calculated that we need 59 gallons for 11,250 sq ft. 43,560/11,250=3.872; 3.872x59=228.448 gallons per acre@ assuming you're spraying for 2" colonization based on ml per half pint.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay] * 1
    #23491360 - 07/30/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok better plan for 55gallons of lc. This plan a little more theasable. First its going to take a dick year to colonies of myc for that big amount. So in the meant time bluid a stream sterilizer barrels and then buy grow bags. Run 30 gallons of cracked corn spawn a day for 30 days. Plus a barn to store these bags also for drying later. Once the lc is grown and stired with huge magnet stirer. Make a pressure needle to sprays 25 ml of lc per gallon bag. Let it colonies through out. Then plant them in your cow shit field. Later when you have the trouble drying. A few thoumd pound of shrooms use the barn you bluiding. Then invite all of us over to party for a week.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: filthyknees]
    #23491438 - 07/30/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Flaws/questions to ask before

1) how many successful lcs have you done before? 50? How many jars have you successfully fruited made from lc innoc? 500 quarts?

2) how are you making sure the lc is sterile, specifically, beyond 'a fire under it', do you have a pressure gauge on the barrel?

3) bags would probably be better suited so you can see visually see growth. The plexiglass window is not goin to be verifying every gallon of the lc is clean, people fuck that up with pints of lc and your talking about visually checking 50 gallons in one container. impossible.

4) all your eggs in one basket.  The cow farm doesnt have one cow that weighs 55 tons, it has 55 cows that weigh a ton each. So if one thing fucks up one cow their entire farm is not lost. Ever heard the expression betting the farm?

5) lc goes to grain, then substrate, never seen it go lc>> substrate except in smaller sterile containers.
So im pretty sure its a wild goose chase




LC's meant for outside don't really need to be sterile. I have seen a post from a woodlover grower saying how he just drops spores or a clone in an LC and let it grow out, contams and all. Once that is poured outside, the mycelium will be able to outgrow any contamination more often than not.

I do agree that 55gallons is too much though, if it were me, I would just do quart or half gallon jars with LC and just pour that around where you want the shrooms to grow. You don't have to cover every square inch of the place with LC, the mycelium will grow to the spots where the LC didn't hit. Pouring it in lines a foot apart or zigzag motions would still work great.

If it is already summer over there, don't expect anything this year though, it might need time to grow and consolidate (even more important) before it fruits. This means that even if you soak the whole field with LC, it will still need time to colonize the soil and consolidate so the amount of LC is not as important as you seem to think it is. Most folks who see fruits right after spawning outside get them because the mycelium has already been grown on a bulk sub, consolidated and usually also fruited before it was buried. People who spawn woodlover spawn outside often have to wait 1-2 years before they see fruits.

Another concern is that since this part of the field will be packed with cows, the fresh poo and urine might hinder the mycelium from fruiting. Homegrowers who use poo only use field aged or composted manure since these will be already leached from ammonia. This is just a guess/me brainstorming though, I'm not sure if this will be a problem or not. The mycelium might not like having a shitload of cows pissing on the patch.

I wish you luck with this though.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23491538 - 07/30/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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#1 don't see the relevance





You don't see the relevance of whether you have successfully made and used an LC before, to the idea of making 55 gallons of the shit?


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Inocuole]
    #23491579 - 07/30/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Careful not to accidentally kill all your livestock :/


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23491598 - 07/30/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would go for some kind of slurry instead, blend up some colonized substrate and spread that.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: weetsie] * 1
    #23491704 - 07/30/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://discussions.probrewer.com/showthread.php?55700-Laboratory-propegation-and-Brewery-propegation-of-yeast-(SOPs)

Yeast is just single celled fungi. Same thing as a LC but a hair different. You'll be able to use the methods in that link to cross over

For 55gal you're going to need to keep it aerobic you will need to pump in sterile air or O2. I suggest air since you would have to regulate O2 to not become toxic. With just air no worry.

The air also serves as agitation to keep growth from getting all clumpy

You're going to have to inoculate then 55g LC with a large amount of LC you'll want to use at least a gallon if not more to inoculate.

Not using enough inoculant to start the 55g LC means a huge lag phase and also a huge opportunity for contamination to grow in the media while the mycelium catches up


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay] * 1
    #23491784 - 07/30/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Flaws/questions to ask before

1) how many successful lcs have you done before? 50? How many jars have you successfully fruited made from lc innoc? 500 quarts?

2) how are you making sure the lc is sterile, specifically, beyond 'a fire under it', do you have a pressure gauge on the barrel?

3) bags would probably be better suited so you can see visually see growth. The plexiglass window is not goin to be verifying every gallon of the lc is clean, people fuck that up with pints of lc and your talking about visually checking 50 gallons in one container. impossible.

4) all your eggs in one basket.  The cow farm doesnt have one cow that weighs 55 tons, it has 55 cows that weigh a ton each. So if one thing fucks up one cow their entire farm is not lost. Ever heard the expression betting the farm?

5) lc goes to grain, then substrate, never seen it go lc>> substrate except in smaller sterile containers.
So im pretty sure its a wild goose chase





#1 don't see the relevance

#2 good point, with the threaded openings i could easily adapt a pressure gauge to fit the smaller hole

#3 never though about bags...maybe. I guess more than one set of windows would need to be installed but I think you're over stating this specific problem. bulk liquid bags

#4 a little redundant

#5 spraying liquid culture


Thank you for the input. This idea has my head swimming with the possibilities.




this is a garbage idea and you are going to fail 100%. not because this is a difficult task, but because its an impossible one, especially for you.

1) if you don't see the relevance, just abandon this whole fucking project man. if you haven't made a normal LC, you are never going to make 55 gallons of it, ever.

2) you don't even understand the basics of sterilization it seems

3) I think you're overstating your skills and understanding of mycology

4) learn to accept good advise and not be such a blowhard

5) :facepalm: if thats your "proof" for this method, then you are totally fucked


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23491803 - 07/30/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why not put spores in the cow's drinking water?


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Urmomma]
    #23491804 - 07/30/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why not put spores in the cow's drinking water?



this has a much better chance of working than bulk lc to substrate...


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23491849 - 07/30/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you use the 55g drum LC there's no way it's going to work for anything but spraying on straw and making outdoor beds.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23492921 - 07/30/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would go for some kind of slurry instead, blend up some colonized substrate and spread that.




Interesting, it seems like this would help with the colonization times as well. I'd have to find a different method of spraying. Something that can handle fairly large particulates.

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#1 don't see the relevance





You don't see the relevance of whether you have successfully made and used an LC before, to the idea of making 55 gallons of the shit?




This is why...

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LC's meant for outside don't really need to be sterile. I have seen a post from a woodlover grower saying how he just drops spores or a clone in an LC and let it grow out, contams and all. Once that is poured outside, the mycelium will be able to outgrow any contamination more often than not.




How about pressure cooking the LC in the pot rather than in jars then create a vacuum in a five gallon bucket that has been sterilized and let the vacuum transfer the liquid via the port for the pressure gauge, or perhaps I can tap and thread a specialty port with a siphon to the bottom of the pot? Use an air house coupling or something.

That being said, I'm starting to lean towards a woods full of shrooms. Using a large expedition pack I could easily, and discretely spray family member's woods and public land. Anyone know of a strain that is hardy to USDA zone 3?

Anyone have a clever version of Johnny Apple Seed for this endeavour?


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Urmomma] * 1
    #23492942 - 07/30/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why not put spores in the cow's drinking water?




This is the only way that has a chance.

The reason fungal dungloving spores need to be consumed by the bovines is because outdoors they occupy a niche environment. Spraying substrate already colonized by bacteria and other fungi mean the food source is already captured and is no longer available. Go ahead and waste your time if you want. But it's a waste of time.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23493021 - 07/30/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my god. So this is what I've been missi. Hahahahahahahaha.
OP, do you really think silicone is going to hold the pressure of 440 lbs of lc???
Sounds like you live in fl. If so, send me a pm and I'll come down there and you can pay me an astronomical consulting fee. And I guarantee if you follow my advice, you can grow a few thousand pounds. But my time and knowledge is not cheap. Let me know


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    #23493029 - 07/30/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23493037 - 07/30/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well then maybe I've had my fill.
I know that silicone is very strong. They build massive aquariums out of it. But op is not an engineer and should pay me to consult


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23493064 - 07/30/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps big gyms or Panaeolus Subbalteatus.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23493133 - 07/30/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

perhaps you should do a little more research. If you knew what you were doing, a gallon of LC would take you very far. Ever hear of overkill? Or maybe too much effort for too little return?

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    #23493179 - 07/30/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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perhaps you should do a little more research. If you knew what you were doing, a gallon of LC would take you very far. Ever hear of overkill? Or maybe too much effort for too little return?

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23493222 - 07/30/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: if I could afford to hire the bastard, and had the means to start a farm, I wouldn't think twice.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: dankington]
    #23493232 - 07/30/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: dankington]
    #23493312 - 07/30/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

On that level of LC you would need to start a gallon of VERY GOOD and thick LC from normal methods and materials. Do this first using any one of several TEKs

For LC on this scale, sterilization isn't what you would want, what you's want would be very good pasteurization to kill fungi, but leave some bacteria in it, otherwise it will contaminate for sure. The bacterial make antibiotic chemicals that help fend off mold, but won't harm healthy mushroom myc.

For your bulk LC you would probably want to add boiling water to several quart size jars worth of previously PC'd grains and a couple pounds of black-strap molasses.

Add everything together in the drum and install a few large capacity fish tank or DWC hydro aerators with HEPA filters on the intake to your drum along with some sort of heavy duty mechanical stirring device.

You could probably insulate the drum with fiberglass and heat directly using a hot-water heater element to at least 165 deg F, better to go all the way to 212 and hold for an hour or better though.

Do not activate the aerators until the drum has cooled to about 70 degrees F. When at 70 degF, add your gallon of LC and start the aeration with the mixer operating for 15 to 20 minutes twice a day on a timer. This should work in theory, but delivery of the LC to your substrate will require creative modification of some basic farm equipment.

Most important parts would be the master LC quality, pasturizing the bulk LC matrix, and aereation/mixing.

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23493355 - 07/30/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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On that level of LC you would need to start a gallon of VERY GOOD and thick LC from normal methods and materials. Do this first using any one of several TEKs

For LC on this scale, sterilization isn't what you would want, what you's want would be very good pasteurization to kill fungi, but leave some bacteria in it, otherwise it will contaminate for sure. The bacterial make antibiotic chemicals that help fend off mold, but won't harm healthy mushroom myc.

For your bulk LC you would probably want to add boiling water to several quart size jars worth of previously PC'd grains and a couple pounds of black-strap molasses.

Add everything together in the drum and install a few large capacity fish tank or DWC hydro aerators with HEPA filters on the intake to your drum along with some sort of heavy duty mechanical stirring device.

You could probably insulate the drum with fiberglass and heat directly using a hot-water heater element to at least 165 deg F, better to go all the way to 212 and hold for an hour or better though.

Do not activate the aerators until the drum has cooled to about 70 degrees F. When at 70 degF, add your gallon of LC and start the aeration with the mixer operating for 15 to 20 minutes twice a day on a timer. This should work in theory, but delivery of the LC to your substrate will require creative modification of some basic farm equipment.

Most important parts would be the master LC quality, pasturizing the bulk LC matrix, and aereation/mixing.

Good luck!




Why would you suggest that much work and effort for something that would be a waste of time? Shit why not tell him to get a crop duster or a water bomber as well? At least that way he could colonize the LC with a woodlover and have a prayer at this working on some level.

The OP of this thread is starting to smell like troll bait.

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23493571 - 07/30/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Urmomma said:
Why not put spores in the cow's drinking water?




This is the only way that has a chance.

The reason fungal dungloving spores need to be consumed by the bovines is because outdoors they occupy a niche environment. Spraying substrate already colonized by bacteria and other fungi mean the food source is already captured and is no longer available. Go ahead and waste your time if you want. But it's a waste of time.




Wrong.

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azur said:
Well then maybe I've had my fill.
I know that silicone is very strong. They build massive aquariums out of it. But op is not an engineer and should pay me to consult





The silicone would be between the Plexiglas and the wall of the barrel. The Plexiglas would be mounted on the INSIDE of the barrel and the pressure of the fluid would sandwich the silicone. Perhaps I should come by and you help you out. No charges, just expenses. The results will be the pudding.
Quote:



dankington said:
perhaps you should do a little more research. If you knew what you were doing, a gallon of LC would take you very far. Ever hear of overkill? Or maybe too much effort for too little return?

Get a PC, learn about agar, do things right… $$$$ profit.




Read the entire thread, assumptions and an opinion to to end your comment. Not in it for the money.

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Bragging rights. Why do people put a V8 engine on a motorcycle frame?




For people that like to expand their minds there are certainly a lot of people with narrow horizons. Is this a shroom forum or fucking catholic school? The dogma is suffocating.

Quote:

Eywa_devotee said:
On that level of LC you would need to start a gallon of VERY GOOD and thick LC from normal methods and materials. Do this first using any one of several TEKs

For LC on this scale, sterilization isn't what you would want, what you's want would be very good pasteurization to kill fungi, but leave some bacteria in it, otherwise it will contaminate for sure. The bacterial make antibiotic chemicals that help fend off mold, but won't harm healthy mushroom myc.

For your bulk LC you would probably want to add boiling water to several quart size jars worth of previously PC'd grains and a couple pounds of black-strap molasses.

Add everything together in the drum and install a few large capacity fish tank or DWC hydro aerators with HEPA filters on the intake to your drum along with some sort of heavy duty mechanical stirring device.

You could probably insulate the drum with fiberglass and heat directly using a hot-water heater element to at least 165 deg F, better to go all the way to 212 and hold for an hour or better though.

Do not activate the aerators until the drum has cooled to about 70 degrees F. When at 70 degF, add your gallon of LC and start the aeration with the mixer operating for 15 to 20 minutes twice a day on a timer. This should work in theory, but delivery of the LC to your substrate will require creative modification of some basic farm equipment.

Most important parts would be the master LC quality, pasturizing the bulk LC matrix, and aereation/mixing.

Good luck!




Good ideas, got my juices flowing again. Nice to see someone else with a creative mind helping a brother out. I bet I could rig up one of these babies, Barrel Mixer , instead of the pvc and just hook up a drill to it. I had the same idea for FAE.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23493585 - 07/30/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I read the whole thread, the punchline just flew well over your head.
But yeah. Good luck with that.

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As I said, if you were a competent grower, 1 gallon of LC could really take you places. Especially if you learned to expand it cleanly. It'd be so much better than say, putting all your eggs in one basket >> losing all your stupid eggs.


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    #23493651 - 07/30/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, obviously I'm the one not getting it...


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23493667 - 07/30/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is hard about putting spores in the water as nature intended? You think mycelium is going to want to leap off with nearly no stored energy to a food source low in nutrients? You might see a bit of fruit. Not nearly enough for the effort you are making.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23493683 - 07/30/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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For people that like to expand their minds there are certainly a lot of people with narrow horizons. Is this a shroom forum or fucking catholic school? The dogma is suffocating.






I wish I could punch every motherfucker who said this.  I suppose you expect us all to be peaceful spaced out hippies but we're people who live by and appreciate good results and good effort.  You're not unique by making this stellar non-observation.  When you realize you're the one that's against the grain, perhaps the "dogmatic" approach as you put it, will make a bit more sense.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23493724 - 07/30/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

apparently
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I have a 55 gallon steel drum and I need some outside opinions on my logic...
… I'll be adding an injection port just like on a little jar and will be pumping a Qt jar of LC in to the barrel using a 100 ml syringe. 2.75 gallons of Karo will be used with 50 gallons of mineral water. Before I add these two together I would set the barrel on something, haven't figured this out yet, perhaps at least a foot off the ground. Then build a fire around the barrel and boil the mixture for at least an hour. Not sure how to protect the Plexiglas either. After cooling for 24 hrs I'd move the barrel back into my garage and knock it up. Monitored with the windows installed and then when the day comes hook it up to the PTO sprayer on the tractor and spread my seed.

Any flaws?



I don't mean to rain on your parade or nuthin', but you'd be better off expanding that quart of LC into other quarts of LC.

On second thought, you're really better off hiring azur at this point.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Inocuole]
    #23493885 - 07/30/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Inocuole said:
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MykoMykoAnay said:
For people that like to expand their minds there are certainly a lot of people with narrow horizons. Is this a shroom forum or fucking catholic school? The dogma is suffocating.






I wish I could punch every motherfucker who said this.  I suppose you expect us all to be peaceful spaced out hippies but we're people who live by and appreciate good results and good effort.  You're not unique by making this stellar non-observation.  When you realize you're the one that's against the grain, perhaps the "dogmatic" approach as you put it, will make a bit more sense.




You're right, dogma was way off, Nazi is a better descriptor.

"I'm just a hard working shroom farmer that don't want no body trying to change the way we do things around here. Long haired hippy freak, with your big ideas and dreams, trying to come in here and start trouble in our peaceful little community of fascists." Sound familiar, glad to see you have your good ol' boy posse with you. Wake up, hylic.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: dankington]
    #23493890 - 07/30/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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apparently
:goodluckwiththat2:
Quote:

MykoMykoAnay said:
I have a 55 gallon steel drum and I need some outside opinions on my logic...
… I'll be adding an injection port just like on a little jar and will be pumping a Qt jar of LC in to the barrel using a 100 ml syringe. 2.75 gallons of Karo will be used with 50 gallons of mineral water. Before I add these two together I would set the barrel on something, haven't figured this out yet, perhaps at least a foot off the ground. Then build a fire around the barrel and boil the mixture for at least an hour. Not sure how to protect the Plexiglas either. After cooling for 24 hrs I'd move the barrel back into my garage and knock it up. Monitored with the windows installed and then when the day comes hook it up to the PTO sprayer on the tractor and spread my seed.

Any flaws?



I don't mean to rain on your parade or nuthin', but you'd be better off expanding that quart of LC into other quarts of LC.

On second thought, you're really better off hiring azur at this point.




Dude, you really, reeeally don't get the point of this project.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23493897 - 07/30/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What is hard about putting spores in the water as nature intended? You think mycelium is going to want to leap off with nearly no stored energy to a food source low in nutrients? You might see a bit of fruit. Not nearly enough for the effort you are making.





I think you missed that part where I moved on from the pasture and think doing it in the woods would be better. Partially based on some points you made in previous posts.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23493901 - 07/30/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If the point of the project is to grow mushrooms you are taking the absolute most difficult path. . .

So what species are you growing in the woods since you moved out of the pasture? If the answer is a woodlover you should have a look at the stuff people have done on that front. You don't need 55 gallons of LC. You need some stem butts and cardboard.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23493905 - 07/30/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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delivery of the LC to your substrate will require creative modification of some basic farm equipment.




I'm thinking a battery powered backpack sprayer, concealed in a large camping pack when needed, would be best.


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    #23493912 - 07/30/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Talk about reinventing the wheel. Good luck man. I won't expect an update because out of the hundreds of people who have made this exact same thread over the years the number of those who came back with results is precisely 0.

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23493917 - 07/30/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not worried about the difficulty at all. That is part of the draw, like mountain climbing. I guess I could make a slurry to spray, but that would require growing mushrooms. I would like to do a tissue LC rather than a MS LC. It seems that Panaeolus Cinctulus would be my best bet, any thoughts on this choice?
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Talk about reinventing the wheel. Good luck man. I won't expect an update because out of the hundreds of people who have made this exact same thread over the years the number of those who came back with results is precisely 0.

:imout:




Do you have any links to people that did this exact same thing? Links or it didn't happen.


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    #23493920 - 07/30/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

With woodies it would be a while before I saw results anyways.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23494027 - 07/30/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trust me. There have been 100s of similar threads where people have this great idea and want to try it then get destroyed on here. Then the op freaks out and cusses everyone. They cuss back. My advise is solid. Look at what small mushroom farmer are doing with edibles. Bluid everything they bluid and do what they do. If its just for opening your mind start with simple two pressure cookers running once a day with 14 qts of grains your choice. Make lots of lc in jars thwn knonk up the same. Make a mono tub or two a day and in no time you be tripping on 8grams a day. Until you rob a bank high as hell then feds raid you


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23494107 - 07/30/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
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Urmomma said:
Why not put spores in the cow's drinking water?




This is the only way that has a chance.

The reason fungal dungloving spores need to be consumed by the bovines is because outdoors they occupy a niche environment. Spraying substrate already colonized by bacteria and other fungi mean the food source is already captured and is no longer available. Go ahead and waste your time if you want. But it's a waste of time.




Wrong.

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azur said:
Well then maybe I've had my fill.
I know that silicone is very strong. They build massive aquariums out of it. But op is not an engineer and should pay me to consult





The silicone would be between the Plexiglas and the wall of the barrel. The Plexiglas would be mounted on the INSIDE of the barrel and the pressure of the fluid would sandwich the silicone. Perhaps I should come by and you help you out. No charges, just expenses. The results will be the pudding.
Quote:



dankington said:
perhaps you should do a little more research. If you knew what you were doing, a gallon of LC would take you very far. Ever hear of overkill? Or maybe too much effort for too little return?

Get a PC, learn about agar, do things right… $$$$ profit.




Read the entire thread, assumptions and an opinion to to end your comment. Not in it for the money.

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MykoMykoAnay said:
Bragging rights. Why do people put a V8 engine on a motorcycle frame?




For people that like to expand their minds there are certainly a lot of people with narrow horizons. Is this a shroom forum or fucking catholic school? The dogma is suffocating.

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Eywa_devotee said:
On that level of LC you would need to start a gallon of VERY GOOD and thick LC from normal methods and materials. Do this first using any one of several TEKs

For LC on this scale, sterilization isn't what you would want, what you's want would be very good pasteurization to kill fungi, but leave some bacteria in it, otherwise it will contaminate for sure. The bacterial make antibiotic chemicals that help fend off mold, but won't harm healthy mushroom myc.

For your bulk LC you would probably want to add boiling water to several quart size jars worth of previously PC'd grains and a couple pounds of black-strap molasses.

Add everything together in the drum and install a few large capacity fish tank or DWC hydro aerators with HEPA filters on the intake to your drum along with some sort of heavy duty mechanical stirring device.

You could probably insulate the drum with fiberglass and heat directly using a hot-water heater element to at least 165 deg F, better to go all the way to 212 and hold for an hour or better though.

Do not activate the aerators until the drum has cooled to about 70 degrees F. When at 70 degF, add your gallon of LC and start the aeration with the mixer operating for 15 to 20 minutes twice a day on a timer. This should work in theory, but delivery of the LC to your substrate will require creative modification of some basic farm equipment.

Most important parts would be the master LC quality, pasturizing the bulk LC matrix, and aereation/mixing.

Good luck!




Good ideas, got my juices flowing again. Nice to see someone else with a creative mind helping a brother out. I bet I could rig up one of these babies, Barrel Mixer , instead of the pvc and just hook up a drill to it. I had the same idea for FAE.



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No, but really, :highfive:
This is a great troll thread. I'm not a troll, but I can dig it.
I reread the op and saw you said, "sealed with silicone."  My apologies.
This is actually a feasible project, but you can't nigger rig it.
Start off making an lc in something like an eberbach container.  Then make a few hundred more.
Next build a larger container, and a large autoclave to sterilize this larger container.
After complete success, build an autoclave large enough to lower a milk truck trailer, stainless steel with agitaters in it. Obviously,  some serious disassembling will be required to sterilize such a thing.
Craftiness comes into play with a small opening in the massive autoclave so you can put several hundred agar dishes in a small opening in the milk tank.
After inoculation, remove the tank and turn it back into a trailer.
Let the lc do it's thing. Agitate it and pump that shit out of a fireman's hose.
Would definitely work, especially with oyster mushrooms. But I'd guess off the top of my head, it'd be at least a $200,000 project, initially.  And that's if you build everything yourself.  After all of the equipment is built, you could probably clean up land fills and kill patches of kudzu.
I'm crafty and can build anything. And I am very experienced in liquid inoculations. So if you're wealthy, shoot me a pm. If you've got the money, I've got the time.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23494117 - 07/30/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone other than you saying that azur, and I would :facepalm:


But I believe you could do it.



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    #23494196 - 07/31/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ha ha. It could really work, and work well. I can't say I haven't dreamed of a tanker load of LC. But the initial start up costs would be astronomical. I think you could profit considerably in a short time though.


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    #23494212 - 07/31/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23494214 - 07/31/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:haha:
I just want to team up with op :shrug:


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23494240 - 07/31/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ha ha. It could really work, and work well. I can't say I haven't dreamed of a tanker load of LC. But the initial start up costs would be astronomical. I think you could profit considerably in a short time though.




To what end? For actives it would be horribly inefficient. I could pull more weight with a couple quarts of LC and controlled conditons. For gourmet it would be hugely inconsistent. Might have some real benefit for bio remediation but I doubt that's the OPs angle.

No the original post smacks of a drunken idea called out. He went from cubes in a pasture to pan cincts in the forest. It's just a load of gibberish. I guess I give more credit to those who do and then post.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23494254 - 07/31/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well indeed. And like I said, it's a troll post.

But, for  bio remediation I think it holds a lot of promise. Unfortunately, my asshole isn't currently leaking money, so I won't be doing this any time soon.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23494328 - 07/31/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"Why do people put a V8 engine on a motorcycle frame?" That sums up my ambitions to a T. It's not about efficiency, Sunday driving, this is all about balls to the wall ridiculous, mad scientist, techniques. Really though more shroomites should get into spreading LC all over the place. In parks, their yards, public forests, name it, anywhere they can grow. The cost wouldn't be much, less than a new gaming rig.

$99 - 55 gallon steel drum
$2.65 - case of 6 1/2 gallon jars
$14.29 - pressure cook gauge
$15.99 - pressure cook weight
$89.99 - drill barrel stirrer (from vintner shop)
$150 - various plumbing fittings for adapting task holes
$15.28 - Plexiglas
$6.24 - silicone
$30 - various fasteners, rivets, hose clamps etc.
$159.99 - ON SALE!!! li-ion powered backpack sprayer
$79 - 60L camping pack
$27.61 - 5 gallons light corn syrup

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23494331 - 07/31/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You've seen it here first...:facepalm:


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23494354 - 07/31/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OP, this thread has the answers that you seek:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22861379


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23494399 - 07/31/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I already addressed your opinion on this undertaking. This conversation is very redundant. I understand you're doing your part as a hand holder but you're also holding people down with those types of threads. A grumpy old man, jaded by experience.

What about wrapping the barrel in a copper coil, insulating, and pumping hot water from a fire around the barrel, like an alcohol still? Turning the barrel into a giant pressure cooker.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23494403 - 07/31/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do you not agree, however far fetched, that people seeding woodlands everywhere would be fucking awesome? I think once I get the kinks worked out I'll start one of those fill a bucket farms, like they have strawberries, apples or Christmas trees.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23494490 - 07/31/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you not agree, however far fetched, that people seeding woodlands everywhere would be fucking awesome?




Umm..... You do know that people already do this, right?

Your "plan" would be more fruitful if you stuck to the basics. 55gallons of LC is stupid, a few quarts will do. Even better would be using grain spawn but by all means, don't let us "hold you down", experience it all for yourself. And please, do post your results, that would be a first for a thread such as this.


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    #23494576 - 07/31/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you use the 55g drum LC there's no way it's going to work for anything but spraying on straw and making outdoor beds.




Have you or anyone you know ever gotten this to work on straw?  I would have wagered it would not work on straw.
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    #23494585 - 07/31/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Plexiglass?  I don't think the bond will hold.

From http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2261709
"The question of whether silicone adhesive can be used to secure acrylic baffles, overflows, etc. to glass comes up repeatedly. Most people with experience say no"

You want to use borosilicate glass here.  Excellent bonding and capable of taking heat stress.


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    #23494714 - 07/31/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok better plan for 55gallons of lc. This plan a little more theasable. First its going to take a dick year to colonies of myc for that big amount. So in the meant time bluid a stream sterilizer barrels and then buy grow bags. Run 30 gallons of cracked corn spawn a day for 30 days. Plus a barn to store these bags also for drying later. Once the lc is grown and stired with huge magnet stirer. Make a pressure needle to sprays 25 ml of lc per gallon bag. Let it colonies through out. Then plant them in your cow shit field. Later when you have the trouble drying. A few thoumd pound of shrooms use the barn you bluiding. Then invite all of us over to party for a week.




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    #23494898 - 07/31/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this reminds me of when I was 14 and just found out you can clone marijuana plants.
I dreamt of cloning enough to fill the woods from start to end. of course its only dreaming, and plans made out from a complete lack of knowledge.


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    #23494988 - 07/31/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This reminds me of the guy who make 100 or so BRF cakes following a "modified" recipe and stored them upsidedown covered in foil in an incubator.

Start small OP. "Big things" in this hobby are often synonmous with "bad things" I love filthyknees analogy about the cow farm.


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    #23495001 - 07/31/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok better plan for 55gallons of lc. This plan a little more theasable. First its going to take a dick year to colonies of myc for that big amount. So in the meant time bluid a stream sterilizer barrels and then buy grow bags. Run 30 gallons of cracked corn spawn a day for 30 days. Plus a barn to store these bags also for drying later. Once the lc is grown and stired with huge magnet stirer. Make a pressure needle to sprays 25 ml of lc per gallon bag. Let it colonies through out. Then plant them in your cow shit field. Later when you have the trouble drying. A few thoumd pound of shrooms use the barn you bluiding. Then invite all of us over to party for a week.




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I like how he uses words like "Theasable", "bluid", "stired", "stirer", "let it colonies", "thoumd" "bluiding".


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Inocuole]
    #23495013 - 07/31/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yeah...

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: invitro]
    #23495974 - 07/31/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Plexiglass?  I don't think the bond will hold.

From http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2261709
"The question of whether silicone adhesive can be used to secure acrylic baffles, overflows, etc. to glass comes up repeatedly. Most people with experience say no"

You want to use borosilicate glass here.  Excellent bonding and capable of taking heat stress.





The silicone will be used less as an adhesive than a gasket, which in hindsight I should have said RTV. That's is exactly what it is made for. The Plexiglas will have an interior frame on it to tighten fasteners compressing the gasket and conforming the plexiglas to the shape of the barrel. The heat tolerance is something I'll have to research more, I just need something that can hold up to temps of ~170.


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    #23495981 - 07/31/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think people are drawing conclusions based on the number of posts I've made.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23495990 - 07/31/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think people are drawing conclusions based on the number of posts I've made.




I'm drawing conclusions based on the number of times this subject comes up and goes nowhere. If you are so sure it would work why not just go and do it instead of posting some hypothetical BS. You could be the first person to actually pull a result worthy of the effort involved :shrug:


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    #23495999 - 07/31/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why did you switch to woodlovers?

Was that in response to Lemon's comment about them outcompeting contams?

If so why pasteurize the water at all, just use tap water and wait a bit for the
chlorine to gas off even that step might not even be necessary (depending on the concentration in your area).


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    #23496014 - 07/31/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think people are drawing conclusions based on the number of posts I've made.




I'm drawing conclusions based on the number of times this subject comes up and goes nowhere. If you are so sure it would work why not just go and do it instead of posting some hypothetical BS. You could be the first person to actually pull a result worthy of the effort involved :shrug:




#1 Not referring to you.

#2 I'm sure it could work but I'm not sure how.That's why I'm hear  laying out my ideas to have them inspected and then constructively criticized.

#3 Nothing I've posted is hypothetical, it's all based on current, well established  methods just scaled up to industrial levels.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23496016 - 07/31/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what do you guys really think is gonna happen if you spray 55 gallons lc on the forest bottom? whats it gonna colonize?
do you really think 55gallons lc sprayed out will yield more than say 20-30 myc hearts spread out?


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    #23496020 - 07/31/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I believe he was saying pan cincts which is a grass lover. Why anyone would intentionally look to grow a whole bunch of em is beyond me. Sure indoors for the challenge is one thing. But a weak ass pan that is more of a weed than cubes? Definitely not my go too.


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    #23496023 - 07/31/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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what do you guys really think is gonna happen if you spray 55 gallons lc on the forest bottom? whats it gonna colonize?
do you really think 55gallons lc sprayed out will yield more than say 20-30 myc hearts spread out?




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    #23496024 - 07/31/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The woods are far more plentiful than bovine and equine pastures. Then I can spray the woods in towns or cities. I can collect fruit more discretely as well as spread the seeds incognito.

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    #23496025 - 07/31/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Plexiglass is brittle.  If your pushing it against the rtv.... with some kind of internal frame, you
risk cracking the plexiglass.  The stuff is like peanut-brittle, ok not that weak but close, you can
easily snap it in half with your hands. 

I'm not sure what your hoping to see through the plexiglass anyway,
just some random whisps of mycelium that you don't know if they are mushrooms or not, likely moving way too
fast to be able to inspect in the first place.  You could just take a sample as you go and inoculate and watch for
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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23496028 - 07/31/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I believe he was saying pan cincts which is a grass lover. Why anyone would intentionally look to grow a whole bunch of em is beyond me. Sure indoors for the challenge is one thing. But a weak ass pan that is more of a weed than cubes? Definitely not my go too.





What would be your go to? Need USDA zone 3 hardiness.


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    #23496033 - 07/31/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The USDA zones don't really help with fungus :shrug:
But I'd guess you could grow ovoids outdoors. Do much better making a stem butt slurry than a 55gallon LC though.


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    #23496038 - 07/31/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude just make a damn patch in the woods. Something like 2 dozen quarts of cube spawn and a bale of straw with some manure or coir or a mix. Dig a hole, mix it all up, cover with a tarp and keep it watered. Come back in a month and pull a few pounds.

Or even easier, get a woodlover native to your climate, soak some cardboard and get some stem butts. Let em colonize then mix a patch up in the woods with the cardboard and chips or something. You don't even need to sterilize shit. Or a slurry is even easier. Just blend the fruits up and go.

Outside growing for people with the climate is the simplest thing imaginable. Your giant LC is a completely unnecessary step that won't work nearly as well in the end.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: invitro]
    #23496041 - 07/31/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Plexiglass is brittle.  If your pushing it against the rtv.... with some kind of internal frame, you
risk cracking the plexiglass.  The stuff is like peanut-brittle, ok not that weak but close, you can
easily snap it in half with your hands.




I've worked with Plexiglas before making wind screens for my motorcycles. I own a heat gun and will soften before molding it. 

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I'm not sure what your hoping to see through the plexiglass anyway,
just some random whisps of mycelium that you don't know if they are mushrooms or not, likely moving way too
fast to be able to inspect in the first place.  You could just take a sample as you go and inoculate and watch for
recovery, much simpler.




I like this idea, I'll have to look into some sort of chamber/dipstick. These vintners have some pretty cool stuff.


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    #23496047 - 07/31/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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what do you guys really think is gonna happen if you spray 55 gallons lc on the forest bottom? whats it gonna colonize?
do you really think 55gallons lc sprayed out will yield more than say 20-30 myc hearts spread out?




Exactly. He is killing flies with sledgehammers.




If he found a logging site - post harvest, there might be piles of wood enough lying around to make things interesting.

He could haul in wood chips to the forest too, in some places they are abundant and free.

worth the time?  :shrug:
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    #23496051 - 07/31/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haul enough woodchips to spray 55 gallons of lc on? that's 200litres, weighs almost 500 lbs...a cpl cl's worth of LC on a chip makes for a few tons chips.. doesnt sound as practical as just starting some myc on wood and spread it out there.


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    #23496058 - 07/31/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can toss 500 pounds of wood chips into a truck in 10 minutes.  Takes up a cubic yard.  I do it all the time.


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    #23496065 - 07/31/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm, starting with a patch int he woods might be best. Then use the spoils from the patch to make a 55 gallon slurry. I really need to nail down a fruit. I'd like it to be perennial but I have some Psilocybe Subaeruginosa spores in storage, what do you think about those? Def. not little weaklings.


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    #23496069 - 07/31/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Finding wood is not a problem, problem is most of it is hard wood. Subaeruginosa does like pine trees though, and there are tons of those around.


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    #23496070 - 07/31/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I can toss 500 pounds of wood chips into a truck in 10 minutes.  Takes up a cubic yard.  I do it all the time.




I'm not debating that. I'm saying simply hosing down random areas of meadow/forest with 55 gallons of LC that might be good or it might be bacteria slurry, is far more effort than one needs to expend to get a patch going.

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Hmm, starting with a patch int he woods might be best. Then use the spoils from the patch to make a 55 gallon slurry. I really need to nail down a fruit. I'd like it to be perennial but I have some Psilocybe Subaeruginosa spores in storage, what do you think about those? Def. not little weaklings.




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    #23496079 - 07/31/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not doing the manure now but if I was, using my uncle's manure spreader to spray myc. laden shit all over a field would be fucking awesome.


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    #23496094 - 07/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hmm, starting with a patch int he woods might be best. Then use the spoils from the patch to make a 55 gallon slurry. I really need to nail down a fruit. I'd like it to be perennial but I have some Psilocybe Subaeruginosa spores in storage, what do you think about those? Def. not little weaklings.




Now your starting to listen. . .




So you like that idea? Then use a back pack sprayer to hose down some gnomes. Never made a slurry, I understand the concept but what's the shelf life?

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    #23496103 - 07/31/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would make the slurry the day I was gonna use it.


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    #23496116 - 07/31/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I can toss 500 pounds of wood chips into a truck in 10 minutes.  Takes up a cubic yard.  I do it all the time.




500lbs of LC. and I doubt he wants his wood chips on a dirt road when he says the woods :shrug:

bottom line its just impractical, counter productive and makes no sense.
this guy's a newb, let him dream big lol, but you've been here so long you should see all the fall pits here I think..


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    #23496300 - 07/31/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this guy's a newb




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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496325 - 07/31/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this guy's a newb




lol




Show us why you're not then, :wink:
I mean, you know we're all rooting for you deep down, right?


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: dankington]
    #23496340 - 07/31/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:dafuq: :noob:


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: dankington]
    #23496381 - 07/31/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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this guy's a newb




lol




Show us why you're not then, :wink:
I mean, you know we're all rooting for you deep down, right?




I know you are. That's why you guys were being so closed to the idea. You've been burned before by beaus walking in here promising you the world and then they cut and run. Leaving you at the alter pining for your happy ending. Once bitten, twice shy.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496405 - 07/31/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've been lurking (on and off) this site since 2003.

Brain storming-

What if I made some straw wattles and sprayed and then buried them shallowly in the woods.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496431 - 07/31/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just show your proof and that's what's up. The main reason why this is facepalmed up is because this is pure speculation. Show results and people will react much different. If you're expecting people with experience on this first hand, you're not going to find it easily. Also people were trying to figure out the reasoning behind this. Is it for epic yield? Is it for bragging rights? I mean yeah I get it, it's unique. But why do you want to do it? If you want to establish a field, the spores in cow water and wait a few years for things to cycle is an epic way of doing it. Putting a bunch of LC in the forest might not establish much, but I'd say just do it some day so I can have a thread to cite the next time someone asks this question.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Mad Season]
    #23496485 - 07/31/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Op already explained he's not saying its practical or that its going to work, he just wanted a little feedback
to refine the obvious flaws to increase his chances of success. 

There are lots of people who are newbs who just want a few shrooms, and there are a few people who like to do wild and crazy experiments, practicality be damned, because why, they are experienced, bored, want to try something/learn something new.. whatever
the reason.  It's fun to experiement

The trick here is not to lump everyone into the first category, op feels like hes a square peg being pushed into a
round hole. 

He already explained this... a couple of times...


I would tone the lc idea down to a series 1/2 pints, to get the proof of concept down first.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496507 - 07/31/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So no other reason besides "because I wanna be crazy?" I mean seriously? I think if you could establish an area of whatever you want for years to come. That'd be crazy, that's something I'd love to do.

It's right up there with acquiring a wild print and starting up with extremely diverse genetics :laugh:


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Mad Season]
    #23496578 - 07/31/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if OP had any experience in growing mushrooms worth talking about he wouldn't be all over the place like this,
he'd had an idea, stuck to it and found a way to follow through.
Not change species halfway through his thread :shrug: or ask the kinda questions he does.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: invitro]
    #23496582 - 07/31/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There are lots of people who are newbs who just want a few shrooms, and there are a few people who like to do wild and crazy experiments, practicality be damned, because why, they are experienced, bored, want to try something/learn something new.. whatever
the reason.  It's fun to experiement






Holy shit, someone was listening! Yeah, I've resigned myself to starting in my own woods at our family's cabin. It's in a nature preserve so there's hundreds of acres all untouched fern woodland. Ferns love moist. I really, really want to do the 55 gallons as bragging rights. Plus that would be one fucking epic grow log. This project is a long term thing, years, and would provide even more years of fruits. Assuming I find a decent perennial cultivar or wild specimen. I'm right there with you guys. "Crazy" fucks like us need fostering, not fuck offing. Next time we cut down some trees and shred them I'm going to pile them up, spray them and cover with a tarp, turn them occasionally for a couple months and them spread that in the woods. As a starter. I'm not big on pics, any advice on alleviating paranoia? Use an old digital camera with out geo tags, use a random's computer to upload with a proxy?


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496609 - 07/31/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Shroomery deletes all EXIF data, and uses SSL encryption :thumbup:


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: spacechildo]
    #23496610 - 07/31/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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if OP had any experience in growing mushrooms worth talking about he wouldn't be all over the place like this,
he'd had an idea, stuck to it and found a way to follow through.
Not change species halfway through his thread :shrug: or ask the kinda questions he does.




Brainstorming can be overwhelming for some.

#1 Never had a species to begin with.That's something I've said that needs to be explored.

#2 Being rigid in your thinking is not a sign of experience, especially in the planning stages. Which was the point of this thread.

#3 What questions lead you to believe I have no experience? Site references or it didn't happen.

Have you ever grown Subaeruginosa?


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: dankington]
    #23496612 - 07/31/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomery deletes all EXIF data, and uses SSL encryption :thumbup:




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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496617 - 07/31/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No one told you to fuck off. The site strips out exif data for you. Use your phone for pics if you want. Also there might be bragging rights to a 55 gallon LC but in my mind there are far better and bigger fish to fry out there. Imagine writing a tek that anyone could use, doing a worthwhile experiment that puts certain questions to rest, or creating your own variety. Those are things worth putting time and effort into. But they take time, research, and lots of real myco work to pull off.

If you do pull off the 55 gallon LC you need to post pics. But you would be better served simply growing a mushroom first.

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496622 - 07/31/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You never even commented on my suggestion. Therefore, you should take your millennial ass and fuck right off. And pasty should close this TROLL thread


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23496623 - 07/31/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23496657 - 07/31/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: azur]
    #23496673 - 07/31/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You never even commented on my suggestion. Therefore, you should take your millennial ass and fuck right off. And pasty should close this TROLL thread




Millennial, lol. Your suggestion to fuck off? I'm sorry if you felt like you were being ignored and got your feelings hurt. I promise to come visit you in the nursing home more.


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Re: 55 gallons of LC [Re: MykoMykoAnay]
    #23496677 - 07/31/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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