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FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species,
    #23489368 - 07/29/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color:
Very important!

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.




Hello guys first ID request, I have done some searching through the pictures and threads just trying to find a match for these little buggers but I'm not familiar with the panaeolus species, I believe these to be pan cinctulus, or pan fimicola.????? Please assist!

They were found in central Florida just a few days ago, growing right out of some cowpies, I actually found some in the same pie as a p. Cube! they are tan to light brown colored, caps are very small about 1-2 inches wide, stem is brown to almost light red about 4 inches tall, no viable bruising, spore print black. I have another picture just having trouble uploading. Thank you guys!



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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23489446 - 07/29/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The last pic, the large cap, looks like it could be a cube. No clue on the rest. A TI will be along to give a solid ID.


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23489458 - 07/29/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like a mottled Gill Panaeolus :shrug:

No magic in the pans but you found avery pretty cube!


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23489467 - 07/29/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thank you for the response, still trying to differentiate between the genius they seem to all look similar to me.


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23489471 - 07/29/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pan papilionaceous maybe? Waiting for a TI...:popcorn:

The two in the picture with the cube compare to pan campalanatus.

Btw...thank-you for adding spore print color! That helps to narrow it down some:super:


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23489523 - 07/29/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

BoomBoom said:
Pan papilionaceous maybe? Waiting for a TI...:popcorn:

The two in the picture with the cube compare to pan campalanatus.

Btw...thank-you for adding spore print color! That helps to narrow it down some:super:




Yes they do look a panaeolus papilionaceus now that I've compared the pictures.


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23489546 - 07/29/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes sir. We get a lot of those where I'm from. Which is north of you some hundred-something miles, while we are supposed to have sporadic Copelandia growth I have never had the pleasure of finding any though my friends have. I've found thousand upon thousands of cubes though!


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23490242 - 07/29/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



Ok so I went back out this evening and found these little guys! They look much more promising, working on a spore print now. Does anyone know the species of these?


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23490255 - 07/29/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's a good chance they are Copelandia Cyanescens. They look to be bruising blue to me, wait for a black soore print and a T.I. to chime in :wink:


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23490257 - 07/29/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, those are Copelandia :thumbup:

:vibin:


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23490279 - 07/29/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yep, those are Copelandia :thumbup:

:vibin:




Yes!!! Thank you my first copelandia find!
Is that panaeolus cyanescens?


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23490287 - 07/29/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Most likely yes, you'd need microscopy to say for sure but they are definitely actives


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23490294 - 07/29/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So to get a definite ID I should be seeing blue bruising, that's good enough for me! Thank you DR and everyone else!!!! Now to enjoy:eek::eek:


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23490697 - 07/29/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

huh... nice.


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: pan_hed]
    #23504708 - 08/03/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



Anyone have any thoughts on these guys?

Substrate: cowpie
Steam: white, no Vail
Cap: white,
Gills: dark grey
No bruising I know it's hard to say without a spore print, but I was pretty sure they weren't active, so I'm just curious as to what they could be at this point thanks


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23509536 - 08/04/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)




Ok so another panaeolus species possibly??
They sure look to be bruising blue on the steams and the caps, but gills are whitish light yellow, about 3 inches tall growing from what I could tell was just enriched soil, under a large oak tree, cows were around. Any thoughts??


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23509594 - 08/04/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those are either Entoloma or Inocybe, consider them toxic either way


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23509643 - 08/04/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ruyguy said:


Anyone have any thoughts on these guys?




Panaeolus antillarum


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23509700 - 08/04/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those are either Entoloma or Inocybe, consider them toxic either way




Wow thanks doc!!! I was pretty sure about those, because of the bluish bruising, but the gills were making me wonder. Thanks your awesome!!!:cool:


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23509748 - 08/04/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Ruyguy said:


Anyone have any thoughts on these guys?




Panaeolus antillarum




Thanks for the help!


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23535818 - 08/12/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



So I'm pretty sure these are copelandia, but I just wanted to throw these pics out to see what anyone thinks.

Growing from cowpie
White cap, with a hint of golden tip
No Vail
Bruising blue at stem and cap especially now that they're drying a little
spores look to be black (from taller cap dropping spores on smaller cap) but in the process of a spore print now
Gills andexed or not attached to stem, grey in color.

I realize this may seem redundant, I'm just trying to learn to ID the panaeolus genus. I would really appreciate any input! Thanks. Also if anyone can ID the little dead bug in the right pic there's bonus points lol


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23535838 - 08/12/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So I'm pretty sure these are copelandia, but I just wanted to throw these pics out to see what anyone thinks.

Growing from cowpie
White cap, with a hint of golden tip
No Vail
Bruising blue at stem and cap especially now that they're drying a little
spores look to be black (from taller cap dropping spores on smaller cap) but in the process of a spore print now
Gills andexed or not attached to stem, grey in color.

I realize this may seem redundant, I'm just trying to learn to ID the panaeolus genus. I would really appreciate any input! Thanks. Also if anyone can ID the little dead bug in the right pic there's bonus points lol




Yes, Copelandia.

No need for spore print, since all dung-loving Panaeolus have black prints.


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: elprawn]
    #23535848 - 08/12/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ahhh good point! Thank you!!! You think pan cyan? Possibly? Is there any other common pan that looks like these?


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23535872 - 08/12/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ahhh good point! Thank you!!! You think pan cyan? Possibly? Is there any other common pan that looks like these?




I think it is and I'm not sure if there's anything it can be, other than a closely-related Copelandia.


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Re: FL shroomer looking for ID on panaeolus species, [Re: elprawn]
    #23535981 - 08/12/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok cool! Looks like I need to get myself a damn microscope! Lol.

They look like cope tropicalis also. I just don't like the idea of not know wtf they are exactly lol! Even though they are active, I feel the need to be certain as to what species.


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