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Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down?
    #23488702 - 07/29/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is not what I really believe, this was a hypothetical question that I posed in this thread about population control: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23404560/fpart/1/vc/1

My question is, what would people think about putting down horrible or violent children who are already showing psychopathic tendencies from a young age?

I'll give you 2 examples.

There was an American adoptive mother who made the news, because she flew to Russia to adopt a 7 year old boy. Shortly after adopting him and returning with him to her home country, she sent him back on a plane to Russia, alone, with a note explaining why she didn't want him anymore. She said that he was severely mentally ill, and that the adoption agency lied and grossly misrepresented his psychological well-being.

According to her, he would constantly throw tantrums and would kick, hit, and spit at her and her mother. And he would make drawings of their house burning on fire, and constantly threaten to burn their house down with everybody inside while they were sleeping. He was like a 7 year old tyrant, clearly in the process of becoming a future criminal. People in the house were afraid of him.

She was very chastised in the media and by the public for sending him back alone, but honestly, I don't blame her. Russian males are fucking insane! I would have given him back up for adoption if he was like that too. I'm sure her decision to do so wasn't taken lightly, especially from somebody who was charitable enough to spend thousands of dollars for an overseas adoption.



Then here's another example. My friend was foster caring several infants and toddlers that were in need of a temporary home. There was one time where she refused to care for a 3 year old, because this 3 year old was deranged. Apparently his parents were tweakers, meth addicts, and he had lived his whole life in a cage, very emaciated and covered in feces when authorities found him. He had virtually no social interaction at all for his entire life.

All the social workers warned my friend that she must not have any pets or other babies in the home. Apparently he had been kicked out of every single foster care home he had ever been in, because he would actually stab the eyes of pets in the home, rip out their eyes, and try to kill them. Same goes for infants. At 3 years old, he was already exhibiting extremely high levels of aggression and psychopathy, and parents were naturally afraid of him.




In cases like this, I mean, what other choice do you really have except to put them down? They're abandoned children, nobody loves them, they're already exhibiting hostile and violent criminal behavior, do they really have a chance?


EDIT: There is a poll a couple of posts down, please answer.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488717 - 07/29/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal]
    #23488747 - 07/29/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM




Can you not display psychopathic tendencies though? I'm sure symptoms can start well before 18.

I'd send an adopted kid back with behavior like that as quick as possible.

Don't know if putting them down is the best option. Why would you put down a 3 year old? What the child need is intense care, not just any person that doesn't know how to handle a child that hasn't had contact with the world (what's the name of this term??).


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488786 - 07/29/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

shoulda made a poll


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23488793 - 07/29/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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shoulda made a poll




Goddammit, you're right.

I'll make one now.
Should It Be Legal to Put Children Down?
You may choose only one


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #23488826 - 07/29/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Can't help but answer "no". I don't think anyone is completely irredeemable at age 7, and call me old fashioned but I have ideological qualms with killing people.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, though.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #23488834 - 07/29/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Can't help but answer "no". I don't think anyone is completely irredeemable at age 7, and call me old fashioned but I have ideological qualms with killing people.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, though.




Same, but I put "yes". Children have it too easy :morningtoke:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: hex_enduction] * 3
    #23488836 - 07/29/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I say let the Koreans eat them.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488846 - 07/29/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no STAL invalid poll


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Urmomma] * 2
    #23488869 - 07/29/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I say let the Koreans eat them.




Koreans are handy that way. I keep one in my sink


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488871 - 07/29/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If we would have known how you turned out, I'd say yes. It should be legal. Starting with you.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23488878 - 07/29/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i used to be a pos when i was like 11-14 nd i turned out ok

i wasnt poking out the eyes of animals tho so idk


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23488910 - 07/29/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this might be one of those progressive eye for an eye situations...

in all seriousness though some people are just conduits for unwellness and harm to others.

there should be a moral test to help cull people who are completely self centered and bad for the greater group.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488922 - 07/29/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, but we should sterilize a lot of people who arent capable of being fit parents. Otherwise the most dysfunctional homeless drug addicts end up having 7-8 kids and drowning the social system in misery ... each of those kids then has 4-5 themselves.

Reproduction has to be something we earn and qualify for , not something anyone can randomly and mindlessly do if they cant be responsible for the consequences.

Psychopathic kids should be studied and kept under supervision.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal]
    #23488936 - 07/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM




:burke:, maybe in canuckistan, and the new DSM-5/ICD does not use the word psychopath as a diagnosis btw.

  • Antisocial personality disorder
  • Dissocial personality disorder


These are real diagnoses that can be applied at any age, and no... there is no age restriction to having these.


Back to OP:
As far as killing them? No, I believe they should receive treatment for as long as necessary/incarceration in a mental institution.

Ideally, we shouldn't be offing children for having mental disorders.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: ChameleonTruffle]
    #23488939 - 07/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM




Can you not display psychopathic tendencies though? I'm sure symptoms can start well before 18.

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Psychopathic children can be identified by the of 5 and some symptoms can start showing up as early as 3 years old.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23488944 - 07/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just send them all to detention centres in Europe.

They'll be glad to take them.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23488992 - 07/29/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because of State and Federal cutbacks, something like 80% of the mentally ill are housed in prisons, not hospitals.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Urmomma] * 1
    #23489097 - 07/29/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489167 - 07/29/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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She was very chastised in the media and by the public for sending him back alone, but honestly, I don't blame her. Russian males are fucking insane! I would have given him back up for adoption if he was like that too.




Russian males are fucking insane? :dafuq:


So people are crazy for being X gender in Y country?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489201 - 07/29/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the majority of this is parents being fuckwads and not knowing how to control a child or get through to them. Kids brains are extremely malleable from birth till theyre about 16. I doubt any of these kids are a lost cause. Definitely not deserving of being taken out back and shot.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489208 - 07/29/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As I recall the couple in question are from Tn and are very religious. They were literally in fear for their lives and those of their other children. 
I believe they tried medicating the kid but they couldn't force feed him pills. In any case what they could have tried is shooting him with tranquilizer darts then injecting him with whatever or having a lobotomy performed. Or maybe just dropping him off in the night out in the middle of nowhere and let him go feral.
The kid will of course wind up a drug addict ( Krokodil? ) and if he lives long enough he'll eventually be in prison for the rest of his life, if he doesn't OD, commit suicide or get murdered.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489215 - 07/29/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Put them down? Sure maybe but I would give them every psychedelic in book before doing such a thing.

How is giving them psychedelics somehow less appropriate/ethical?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489221 - 07/29/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not one for abuse but I think there a situations where getting firm with a kid is necessary. Putting a kid down because they didn't develop properly....lol wtf no.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489241 - 07/29/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the majority of this is parents being fuckwads and not knowing how to control a child or get through to them. Kids brains are extremely malleable from birth till theyre about 16. I doubt any of these kids are a lost cause. Definitely not deserving of being taken out back and shot.




Explain the Russian kid then? Surely he was in the help of professionals, so unless there was an adult there who was abusing him, what exactly explains his behavior?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23489243 - 07/29/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is the quality of life of someone with a lobotomy? Personally I'm going to lean more towards putting the crazy kid in a mental institution but Is that possible for a younger kid?  Would they not just throw him or her in a foster home? No need go old yeller on a youngin. I have heard that people who abuse animals are more prone to being able to hurt humans and that definitely concerns me to hear that people at such young ages ar capable of violence to that extent.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Alexthegreat]
    #23489249 - 07/29/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What is the quality of life of someone with a lobotomy? Personally I'm going to lean more towards putting the crazy kid in a mental institution but Is that possible for a younger kid?  Would they not just throw him or her in a foster home? No need go old yeller on a youngin. I have heard that people who abuse animals are more prone to being able to hurt humans and that definitely concerns me to hear that people at such young ages ar capable of violence to that extent.




That is absolutely true, children who abuse and kill animals are far more likely to do the same things to humans. Lots of serial killers practice on animals first, often as children.

Personally, I think being put in a mental institution for life sounds much worse than being put down. Has anybody ever been locked up in a psych ward before? It's horrible. You're surrounded by depressed or crazy people who talk nonsense, nurses hold power to strap you down and inject you with drugs against your will, you are not able to go outside ever, you never see the sunlight...


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489256 - 07/29/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the majority of this is parents being fuckwads and not knowing how to control a child or get through to them. Kids brains are extremely malleable from birth till theyre about 16. I doubt any of these kids are a lost cause. Definitely not deserving of being taken out back and shot.




Explain the Russian kid then? Surely he was in the help of professionals, so unless there was an adult there who was abusing him, what exactly explains his behavior?




His handlers could've been abusing him and promoting that type of behaviour unknowingly. A lot of people who work with at risk kids in foster homes are kind of fucked. Whatever the case the kid wasnt born that way. Someone or a group of people we're actively abusing him at some point in time. Poor kid.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489261 - 07/29/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Crazy to think about. Good post OP.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489309 - 07/29/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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His handlers could've been abusing him and promoting that type of behaviour unknowingly. A lot of people who work with at risk kids in foster homes are kind of fucked. Whatever the case the kid wasnt born that way. Someone or a group of people we're actively abusing him at some point in time. Poor kid.




So assuming then, his America mother was so nice to him, how come he turned on her then?

I actually disagree that some kids just aren't born that way. Why, because I've seen kids in families with other siblings who were all raised together, yet only 1 of them is severely mentally ill, and can't control their aggression and rage.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23489326 - 07/29/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, but if the doctors know that your baby is going to have down's syndrome it just isn't ethical to allow that person to carry that child to term.

Bringing a person with down's syndrome into the world is an act of cruelty, selfishness, and sadism.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489355 - 07/29/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He wouldnt have known any other way of acting, at least not instantly. He wouldve had to be broken in like a horse. As for the family it could've been a regressive genetic trait, or more likely, a number of social variable's. You'd really have to watch the family interact over a period of time to gauge whats going on. Maybe you're right, I still hold out on it being a correctable problem though.

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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489388 - 07/29/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Watch a documentary on russian orphan's facilities. They live packed into warehouse spaces like sardines. Many were born addicted to god knows what and had WD's from birth, their earliest pre-natal memories are of being fucked up and pretty much all of them never get weened off anything as there's no money and not enough staff to begin with. If they weren't born with a congenital mental illness they develop them anyhow, same difference.

I met a girl once who volunteered to work at a facility in Russia and she said, and this is eerie as hell, that babies start off crying for attention (of course) but very quickly learn that crying does nothing, at which point they begin developing complete lack of empathy and psychotic symptoms. She said whole halls of babies would go from being loud to being silent and it was that silence, and all that it implied, that made her quit and come home.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23489401 - 07/29/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:




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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23489407 - 07/29/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Watch a documentary on russian orphan's facilities. They live packed into warehouse spaces like sardines. Many were born addicted to god knows what and had WD's from birth, their earliest pre-natal memories are of being fucked up and pretty much all of them never get weened off anything as there's no money and not enough staff to begin with. If they weren't born with a congenital mental illness they develop them anyhow, same difference.

I met a girl once who volunteered to work at a facility in Russia and she said, and this is eerie as hell, that babies start off crying for attention (of course) but very quickly learn that crying does nothing, at which point they begin developing complete lack of empathy and psychotic symptoms. She said whole halls of babies would go from being loud to being silent and it was that silence, and all that it implied, that made her quit and come home.




How does a baby show lack of empathy and psychosis? I'm genuinely curious.

Also, I actually read a case study that determined that neonatal drug abuse and withdrawal is not nearly as bad as people say it is. By not nearly as bad, I mean that it doesn't necessarily doom the children. Apparently children who were born addicted to drugs who ended up being adopted into loving families had no higher risk of drug use or criminal activities than normal babies.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Shiithead]
    #23489435 - 07/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:




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Yeah becouse that was clearly a serious comment :rolleyes: Man the pub has gone to shit...


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sanguin3] * 2
    #23489517 - 07/29/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Crystal G would be such a caring, nurturing mother. Up until you start acting up and she drags you out back :lol:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489654 - 07/29/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right. "If" they get adopted into upper middle class white people's homes they theoretically (or one can only hope) "might" lead "normal" lives. Just do a quick google search with " russian orphans mental illness" ( I just did it for you , you're welcome ). Once you have done so, and read - many- "papers" and studies etc. for at least 30 minutes you may be genuinely surprised by what you didn't know. Hopefully you'll be better informed. Keep in mind you'll only be able to read studies (etc.) available online in english.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #23489682 - 07/29/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a Russian male

I'm offended by that statement

You're a cheap Chinese female whore, does that sound about right to you?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489688 - 07/29/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The title might as well be should it be legal to murder children, and the answer should be no.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: stzacrack]
    #23489690 - 07/29/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Crystal G hates all men dont take it personally


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23489711 - 07/29/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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hex_enduction said:
Can't help but answer "no". I don't think anyone is completely irredeemable at age 7, and call me old fashioned but I have ideological qualms with killing people.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, though.




Same, but I put "yes". Children have it too easy :morningtoke:




Yea of course you would, perhaps all they wanted was a sex change, correct?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal]
    #23489757 - 07/29/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM



Off topic but a previous edition of the DSM (maybe III) diagnosed strongly Christian people as mentally ill. I was quite amused. Then an increasing number of members of the American Psychological Association became Christians, so they took that out. Maybe the ASA is just a popularity contest.

    AS far as Crystal's original thesis it sounds inhumane yet rather pragmatic. I would not put down retarded children who were not overly violent, but I personally am too selfish to raise one. When it comes to very violent children, this is a good question, but not likely to happen in Christian 'Merica.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: stzacrack]
    #23490272 - 07/29/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm a Russian male

I'm offended by that statement

You're a cheap Chinese female whore, does that sound about right to you?




Calling me Chinese is about as accurate as calling you a Pole.

Also, sorry, but, Russian men have a stereotype of being violent and crazy. :shrug:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23490276 - 07/29/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i used to be a pos when i was like 11-14 nd i turned out ok

i wasnt poking out the eyes of animals tho so idk




Makes me glad I voted yes


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23490439 - 07/29/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:nojustno:

Cant believe im hearing this shit.

Even if we could detect with 100% certainty psychopathic tendencies, AND could prove that would lead 100% to criminal activity in the future, putting psycho kids to death would reduce our ability to learn about, and possibly rehab those with, the disease.

Itd be like the nazis gassing the jews without doing medical tests on them first. Totally immoral.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23490443 - 07/29/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
i used to be a pos when i was like 11-14 nd i turned out ok

i wasnt poking out the eyes of animals tho so idk




Makes me glad I voted yes




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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23490468 - 07/29/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Has anybody ever been locked up in a psych ward before? It's horrible. You're surrounded by depressed or crazy people who talk nonsense, nurses hold power to strap you down and inject you with drugs against your will, you are not able to go outside ever, you never see the sunlight...




This is absolutely true, these places are ghoulish.  They are run by sociopaths who care nothing for the true welfare
of the individual, there may be some exceptions to the rule but...  IME they care enough to keep you alive and to keep up appearances but that's it.  They will prescribe powerful and lasting psych meds that turn you into a zombie, they will label you crazy on a whim, and get paid huge amounts to keep you there forever. 

I have extensive first hand knowledge of how the minds of these people operate, my family was in the business. 

One hospital got shut down because of nurses beating drugged patients when they thought noone was looking, just for fun. 

You have no rights there, you're like a piece of meat.  Who is going to believe anything you say, your crazy after
all remember? 

If the state is paying $500 a day to keep you there what incentive is there for them to let you go?

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But getting back the main point of the thread, I've seen a couple of kids like what the OP is describing,
they don't seem to get better by themselves, in fact they seem to spiral ever downward.  Few if any know how to truly
help these people and they do need help.  I don't know what the answer is but they can end up being a terribly violent
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    #23490498 - 07/29/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We need to talk about kevin


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23490648 - 07/29/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:




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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Anahata]
    #23490651 - 07/29/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Or at least sterilize them. We can start with the longterm welfare population and go from there.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23490664 - 07/29/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They should not be put down.  They are innocent until they murder or whatever, and then they can go to jail and/or receive the death penalty.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: California]
    #23490725 - 07/29/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They should not be put down.  They are innocent until they murder or whatever, and then they can go to jail and/or receive the death penalty.




What about a guy who says he won't change his tires until they actually blow, no matter how much rubber is gone and the
threads are showing.  What if he blows a tire, veers into oncoming traffic kills a few people, then changes his tires?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: invitro]
    #23490731 - 07/29/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

But killing people is kind of messy, and requires a lot of energy. Would you wanna be that guy?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: invitro]
    #23491006 - 07/30/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They should not be put down.  They are innocent until they murder or whatever, and then they can go to jail and/or receive the death penalty.




What about a guy who says he won't change his tires until they actually blow, no matter how much rubber is gone and the
threads are showing.  What if he blows a tire, veers into oncoming traffic kills a few people, then changes his tires?



You should probably make a thread about that guy because it doesn't have shit to do with this thread about putting "dangerous" children down.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: invitro]
    #23491028 - 07/30/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I enjoyed the psyche ward for the most part. I really looked forward to the food and some things that happened where really funny.There was this one guy who was constantly rude AF to the nurses and would pull his pants off and talk ridiculous shit. The bad part is how they dose you with large amounts of drugs to the point of discomfort. Also there was gross stuff like this dude that rubbed shit all over the bathroom at night when I needed to use it.  I have never been violent or dangerous to anyone but myself to some degree.

When I was a toddler my parents took care of a bunch of severely abused and deranged children. some of them had already done fucked up stuff like kill a bunch of kittens by putting them in the dryer and other godawful shit. I'm glad they didnt do anything fucked up to me that I can remember. You shouldn't kill anyone that hasn't done anything to harm anyone else. Anyone who proposes preemptive punishment is an absolute fucking moron of the highest order. I suggest they think long and hard about what it means to be free

I do believe that people that want to die should be given the tools to end their life as efficiently and painless as possible
I know death is nothing to fear and I trust the architect of this dream.

Killing people is easy and not much of a mess. There are ways to do it that are 100% effective and painless. Lethal injection on the other hand is fucking diabolical. It should never be done under any circumstance. A failed drug overdose is absolute torture of the highest order. It makes me wonder if on rare occasion they let it happen just to get revenge for the victims.


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    #23491377 - 07/30/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Id do what the us government did in the 60s and dose them with lsd and mushrooms till they are better.....i wish i could find that report again.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #23493204 - 07/30/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Can't help but answer "no". I don't think anyone is completely irredeemable at age 7, and call me old fashioned but I have ideological qualms with killing people.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, though.





you're right, we can use electroshock as a conditioning tool to bring those little
bastards back in line, after 3-7 years of therapy if they arent compliant then we'll
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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23494086 - 07/30/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, the answer is simple: Make abortions legal retroactively to age 18. Sounds good to me.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23494249 - 07/31/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This damaged little adopted girl turned out OK after years of therapy. Unbeknownst to her adoptive parents, her biological parents abused her as well as her brother. I'll bet the adoptive parents thought about putting her down themselves after seeing what she way capable of. It's the biological parents that are responsible for this girls mental problems. 

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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23494321 - 07/31/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, yes of course.



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    #23494475 - 07/31/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This damaged little adopted girl turned out OK after years of therapy. Unbeknownst to her adoptive parents, her biological parents abused her as well as her brother. I'll bet the adoptive parents thought about putting her down themselves after seeing what she way capable of. It's the biological parents that are responsible for this girls mental problems. 

Child of Rage The FULL Documentary





That video is on the edge of the "WEIRD" part of youtube. For a while i would fall asleep watching videos on youtube on my ps4. Auto play is on by default so i would start out watching say "cinemasins everything wrong with the revenant" and wake up and all sorts of weird cannibal conspiracy videos and ufo shit would be in related videos.

The video you listed isn't bad and i watched a while back and enjoyed it, but it somehow gets lumped in with the weird videos on youtube.

It makes me want to leave ykutube playing for like a week or so and see where it ends up at


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