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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489201 - 07/29/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the majority of this is parents being fuckwads and not knowing how to control a child or get through to them. Kids brains are extremely malleable from birth till theyre about 16. I doubt any of these kids are a lost cause. Definitely not deserving of being taken out back and shot.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489208 - 07/29/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As I recall the couple in question are from Tn and are very religious. They were literally in fear for their lives and those of their other children. 
I believe they tried medicating the kid but they couldn't force feed him pills. In any case what they could have tried is shooting him with tranquilizer darts then injecting him with whatever or having a lobotomy performed. Or maybe just dropping him off in the night out in the middle of nowhere and let him go feral.
The kid will of course wind up a drug addict ( Krokodil? ) and if he lives long enough he'll eventually be in prison for the rest of his life, if he doesn't OD, commit suicide or get murdered.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489215 - 07/29/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Put them down? Sure maybe but I would give them every psychedelic in book before doing such a thing.

How is giving them psychedelics somehow less appropriate/ethical?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489221 - 07/29/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not one for abuse but I think there a situations where getting firm with a kid is necessary. Putting a kid down because they didn't develop properly....lol wtf no.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489241 - 07/29/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the majority of this is parents being fuckwads and not knowing how to control a child or get through to them. Kids brains are extremely malleable from birth till theyre about 16. I doubt any of these kids are a lost cause. Definitely not deserving of being taken out back and shot.




Explain the Russian kid then? Surely he was in the help of professionals, so unless there was an adult there who was abusing him, what exactly explains his behavior?


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23489243 - 07/29/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is the quality of life of someone with a lobotomy? Personally I'm going to lean more towards putting the crazy kid in a mental institution but Is that possible for a younger kid?  Would they not just throw him or her in a foster home? No need go old yeller on a youngin. I have heard that people who abuse animals are more prone to being able to hurt humans and that definitely concerns me to hear that people at such young ages ar capable of violence to that extent.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Alexthegreat]
    #23489249 - 07/29/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What is the quality of life of someone with a lobotomy? Personally I'm going to lean more towards putting the crazy kid in a mental institution but Is that possible for a younger kid?  Would they not just throw him or her in a foster home? No need go old yeller on a youngin. I have heard that people who abuse animals are more prone to being able to hurt humans and that definitely concerns me to hear that people at such young ages ar capable of violence to that extent.




That is absolutely true, children who abuse and kill animals are far more likely to do the same things to humans. Lots of serial killers practice on animals first, often as children.

Personally, I think being put in a mental institution for life sounds much worse than being put down. Has anybody ever been locked up in a psych ward before? It's horrible. You're surrounded by depressed or crazy people who talk nonsense, nurses hold power to strap you down and inject you with drugs against your will, you are not able to go outside ever, you never see the sunlight...


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489256 - 07/29/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the majority of this is parents being fuckwads and not knowing how to control a child or get through to them. Kids brains are extremely malleable from birth till theyre about 16. I doubt any of these kids are a lost cause. Definitely not deserving of being taken out back and shot.




Explain the Russian kid then? Surely he was in the help of professionals, so unless there was an adult there who was abusing him, what exactly explains his behavior?




His handlers could've been abusing him and promoting that type of behaviour unknowingly. A lot of people who work with at risk kids in foster homes are kind of fucked. Whatever the case the kid wasnt born that way. Someone or a group of people we're actively abusing him at some point in time. Poor kid.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489261 - 07/29/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Crazy to think about. Good post OP.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489309 - 07/29/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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His handlers could've been abusing him and promoting that type of behaviour unknowingly. A lot of people who work with at risk kids in foster homes are kind of fucked. Whatever the case the kid wasnt born that way. Someone or a group of people we're actively abusing him at some point in time. Poor kid.




So assuming then, his America mother was so nice to him, how come he turned on her then?

I actually disagree that some kids just aren't born that way. Why, because I've seen kids in families with other siblings who were all raised together, yet only 1 of them is severely mentally ill, and can't control their aggression and rage.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23489326 - 07/29/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, but if the doctors know that your baby is going to have down's syndrome it just isn't ethical to allow that person to carry that child to term.

Bringing a person with down's syndrome into the world is an act of cruelty, selfishness, and sadism.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489355 - 07/29/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He wouldnt have known any other way of acting, at least not instantly. He wouldve had to be broken in like a horse. As for the family it could've been a regressive genetic trait, or more likely, a number of social variable's. You'd really have to watch the family interact over a period of time to gauge whats going on. Maybe you're right, I still hold out on it being a correctable problem though.

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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23489388 - 07/29/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Watch a documentary on russian orphan's facilities. They live packed into warehouse spaces like sardines. Many were born addicted to god knows what and had WD's from birth, their earliest pre-natal memories are of being fucked up and pretty much all of them never get weened off anything as there's no money and not enough staff to begin with. If they weren't born with a congenital mental illness they develop them anyhow, same difference.

I met a girl once who volunteered to work at a facility in Russia and she said, and this is eerie as hell, that babies start off crying for attention (of course) but very quickly learn that crying does nothing, at which point they begin developing complete lack of empathy and psychotic symptoms. She said whole halls of babies would go from being loud to being silent and it was that silence, and all that it implied, that made her quit and come home.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23489401 - 07/29/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:




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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23489407 - 07/29/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Watch a documentary on russian orphan's facilities. They live packed into warehouse spaces like sardines. Many were born addicted to god knows what and had WD's from birth, their earliest pre-natal memories are of being fucked up and pretty much all of them never get weened off anything as there's no money and not enough staff to begin with. If they weren't born with a congenital mental illness they develop them anyhow, same difference.

I met a girl once who volunteered to work at a facility in Russia and she said, and this is eerie as hell, that babies start off crying for attention (of course) but very quickly learn that crying does nothing, at which point they begin developing complete lack of empathy and psychotic symptoms. She said whole halls of babies would go from being loud to being silent and it was that silence, and all that it implied, that made her quit and come home.




How does a baby show lack of empathy and psychosis? I'm genuinely curious.

Also, I actually read a case study that determined that neonatal drug abuse and withdrawal is not nearly as bad as people say it is. By not nearly as bad, I mean that it doesn't necessarily doom the children. Apparently children who were born addicted to drugs who ended up being adopted into loving families had no higher risk of drug use or criminal activities than normal babies.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Shiithead]
    #23489435 - 07/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:




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Yeah becouse that was clearly a serious comment :rolleyes: Man the pub has gone to shit...


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    #23489504 - 07/29/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sanguin3] * 2
    #23489517 - 07/29/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Crystal G would be such a caring, nurturing mother. Up until you start acting up and she drags you out back :lol:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489654 - 07/29/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right. "If" they get adopted into upper middle class white people's homes they theoretically (or one can only hope) "might" lead "normal" lives. Just do a quick google search with " russian orphans mental illness" ( I just did it for you , you're welcome ). Once you have done so, and read - many- "papers" and studies etc. for at least 30 minutes you may be genuinely surprised by what you didn't know. Hopefully you'll be better informed. Keep in mind you'll only be able to read studies (etc.) available online in english.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #23489682 - 07/29/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a Russian male

I'm offended by that statement

You're a cheap Chinese female whore, does that sound about right to you?


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