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OfflineCrystal G
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Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down?
    #23488702 - 07/29/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is not what I really believe, this was a hypothetical question that I posed in this thread about population control: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23404560/fpart/1/vc/1

My question is, what would people think about putting down horrible or violent children who are already showing psychopathic tendencies from a young age?

I'll give you 2 examples.

There was an American adoptive mother who made the news, because she flew to Russia to adopt a 7 year old boy. Shortly after adopting him and returning with him to her home country, she sent him back on a plane to Russia, alone, with a note explaining why she didn't want him anymore. She said that he was severely mentally ill, and that the adoption agency lied and grossly misrepresented his psychological well-being.

According to her, he would constantly throw tantrums and would kick, hit, and spit at her and her mother. And he would make drawings of their house burning on fire, and constantly threaten to burn their house down with everybody inside while they were sleeping. He was like a 7 year old tyrant, clearly in the process of becoming a future criminal. People in the house were afraid of him.

She was very chastised in the media and by the public for sending him back alone, but honestly, I don't blame her. Russian males are fucking insane! I would have given him back up for adoption if he was like that too. I'm sure her decision to do so wasn't taken lightly, especially from somebody who was charitable enough to spend thousands of dollars for an overseas adoption.



Then here's another example. My friend was foster caring several infants and toddlers that were in need of a temporary home. There was one time where she refused to care for a 3 year old, because this 3 year old was deranged. Apparently his parents were tweakers, meth addicts, and he had lived his whole life in a cage, very emaciated and covered in feces when authorities found him. He had virtually no social interaction at all for his entire life.

All the social workers warned my friend that she must not have any pets or other babies in the home. Apparently he had been kicked out of every single foster care home he had ever been in, because he would actually stab the eyes of pets in the home, rip out their eyes, and try to kill them. Same goes for infants. At 3 years old, he was already exhibiting extremely high levels of aggression and psychopathy, and parents were naturally afraid of him.




In cases like this, I mean, what other choice do you really have except to put them down? They're abandoned children, nobody loves them, they're already exhibiting hostile and violent criminal behavior, do they really have a chance?


EDIT: There is a poll a couple of posts down, please answer.


Edited by Crystal G (07/29/16 10:00 AM)


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488717 - 07/29/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal]
    #23488747 - 07/29/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Patlal said:
It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM




Can you not display psychopathic tendencies though? I'm sure symptoms can start well before 18.

I'd send an adopted kid back with behavior like that as quick as possible.

Don't know if putting them down is the best option. Why would you put down a 3 year old? What the child need is intense care, not just any person that doesn't know how to handle a child that hasn't had contact with the world (what's the name of this term??).


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488786 - 07/29/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

shoulda made a poll


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23488793 - 07/29/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Connoisseur said:
shoulda made a poll




Goddammit, you're right.

I'll make one now.
Should It Be Legal to Put Children Down?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (07/29/16 08:59 AM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #23488826 - 07/29/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Can't help but answer "no". I don't think anyone is completely irredeemable at age 7, and call me old fashioned but I have ideological qualms with killing people.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, though.


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Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #23488834 - 07/29/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Can't help but answer "no". I don't think anyone is completely irredeemable at age 7, and call me old fashioned but I have ideological qualms with killing people.

I definitely understand where you're coming from, though.




Same, but I put "yes". Children have it too easy :morningtoke:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: hex_enduction] * 3
    #23488836 - 07/29/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I say let the Koreans eat them.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488846 - 07/29/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no STAL invalid poll


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Urmomma] * 2
    #23488869 - 07/29/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I say let the Koreans eat them.




Koreans are handy that way. I keep one in my sink


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488871 - 07/29/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If we would have known how you turned out, I'd say yes. It should be legal. Starting with you.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23488878 - 07/29/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i used to be a pos when i was like 11-14 nd i turned out ok

i wasnt poking out the eyes of animals tho so idk


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23488910 - 07/29/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this might be one of those progressive eye for an eye situations...

in all seriousness though some people are just conduits for unwellness and harm to others.

there should be a moral test to help cull people who are completely self centered and bad for the greater group.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23488922 - 07/29/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, but we should sterilize a lot of people who arent capable of being fit parents. Otherwise the most dysfunctional homeless drug addicts end up having 7-8 kids and drowning the social system in misery ... each of those kids then has 4-5 themselves.

Reproduction has to be something we earn and qualify for , not something anyone can randomly and mindlessly do if they cant be responsible for the consequences.

Psychopathic kids should be studied and kept under supervision.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal]
    #23488936 - 07/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM




:burke:, maybe in canuckistan, and the new DSM-5/ICD does not use the word psychopath as a diagnosis btw.

  • Antisocial personality disorder
  • Dissocial personality disorder


These are real diagnoses that can be applied at any age, and no... there is no age restriction to having these.


Back to OP:
As far as killing them? No, I believe they should receive treatment for as long as necessary/incarceration in a mental institution.

Ideally, we shouldn't be offing children for having mental disorders.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: ChameleonTruffle]
    #23488939 - 07/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Patlal said:
It is illegal to diagnose any children under 18 as a psychopath as per the DSM




Can you not display psychopathic tendencies though? I'm sure symptoms can start well before 18.

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Psychopathic children can be identified by the of 5 and some symptoms can start showing up as early as 3 years old.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23488944 - 07/29/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just send them all to detention centres in Europe.

They'll be glad to take them.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23488992 - 07/29/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because of State and Federal cutbacks, something like 80% of the mentally ill are housed in prisons, not hospitals.


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Urmomma] * 1
    #23489097 - 07/29/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How about instead we put irresponsible parents down :strokebeard:


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Re: Should It Be Legal to Put Dangerous Children Down? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23489167 - 07/29/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
She was very chastised in the media and by the public for sending him back alone, but honestly, I don't blame her. Russian males are fucking insane! I would have given him back up for adoption if he was like that too.




Russian males are fucking insane? :dafuq:


So people are crazy for being X gender in Y country?


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