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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: demiu5]
    #23487671 - 07/28/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The mind is an expression of the laws of the universe. It cannot exist without them. Unless you're suggesting some cracked out spiritual theology.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Shiithead]
    #23487673 - 07/28/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
How so?



If our thoughts come from god then they are not our own. Plus people have dark thoughts so that is impossible.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23487678 - 07/28/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Stimuli from your current environment combined with past experiences and mood/state/etc are what drive new thoughts in the human brain (not to mention innate mental processes). There was one (old) inhumane study I remember where a child was deprived of external stimuli and grew up to be essentially a blank sheet. It's going to take some digging and I learned about it in a psych class, so it's out there somewhere.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23487694 - 07/28/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It really depends on what you want to chalk up as "first cause". You could say that that the first cause is the Big Bang, and this is the theory with the most evidence and consensus backing it up it, but in fact it's totally provisional upon what evidence is available to us and how talk about it. The first cause could be your own mind. You would have no way of really knowing.

I usually tend to go with the consensus of the scientific community when trying to decide how to look at things, but it's healthy to bear in mind that any theory is subject to disproof.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23487695 - 07/28/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
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Shiithead said:
How so?



If our thoughts come from god then they are not our own. Plus people have dark thoughts so that is impossible.




The energy comes from God. It takes energy to create thought, no?


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
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Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Shiithead]
    #23487701 - 07/28/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And that energy can either be given back to God or used for the self. It's why we are all here. To test the waters and to use energy wisely. In the next life we will be given so much more. If we can handle it here. Earth is a cradle. There's a whole universe out there if you didn't know..


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Shiithead]
    #23487709 - 07/28/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Do you absorb peoples souls when you kill them? You should legit get their left over energy if you kill them.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23487710 - 07/28/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting. But sometimes thoughts just happen randomly. Are those from the variables you listed as well?....you are making me feel like a robot. Anyway I need sleep, I will continue this converstion tomorrow. Goodnight :shroomeryhead:


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Shiithead]
    #23487712 - 07/28/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I personally think that talk of first causes muddies the water. It implies that time has a beginning and an end, when we have no way of knowing that this is true.

It would make more sense to me if time was cyclical, rather than linear. But, we don't talk about time in a cyclical sense, we talk about it in a linear sense because we're preoccupied with birth and death. I think that's probably why we have to rely on a theory like the big bang or on any other notion of a first cause. If we had learned to understand time as cyclical instead of linear, we would have very different theories of energy and matter and we would have no cause to doubt the existence of free will.


Edited by Sophistic Radiance (07/28/16 10:46 PM)


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23487720 - 07/28/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
The mind is an expression of the laws of the universe. It cannot exist without them. Unless you're suggesting some cracked out spiritual theology.






no, i'm saying the mind wouldn't be able to create the universe if the universe didn't already exist for the mind to be


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23487721 - 07/28/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Do you absorb peoples souls when you kill them? You should legit get their left over energy if you kill them.




No the soul goes back to God, if you believe in Him anyways. That's why you gotta enslave them and siphon their energy while they are here.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23487728 - 07/28/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Sophistic Radiance said:
I personally think that talk of first causes muddies the water. It implies that time has a beginning and an end, when we have no way of knowing that this is true.

It would make more sense to me if time was cyclical, rather than linear. But, we don't talk about time in a cyclical sense, we talk about it in a linear sense because we're discontinuous beings who go through birth and death. I think that's probably why we have to rely on a theory like the big bang or on any other notion of a first cause. If we had learned to understand time as cyclical instead of linear, we would have very different theories of energy and matter.




I see it as both. Probably all the LSD fueled scripture learning. Who knows though for sure. You gotta believe in something though.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #23487732 - 07/28/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
I personally think that talk of first causes muddies the water. It implies that time has a beginning and an end, when we have no way of knowing that this is true.

It would make more sense to me if time was cyclical, rather than linear. But, we don't talk about time in a cyclical sense, we talk about it in a linear sense because we're discontinuous beings who go through birth and death. I think that's probably why we have to rely on a theory like the big bang or on any other notion of a first cause. If we had learned to understand time as cyclical instead of linear, we would have very different theories of energy and matter.




I see it as both. Probably all the LSD fueled scripture learning. Who knows though for sure. You gotta believe in something though.






no, you don't


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: demiu5]
    #23487734 - 07/28/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Do you believe in yourself?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #23487810 - 07/28/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
Do you believe in yourself?




I sure don't, never even met the guy


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Ezuma]
    #23487813 - 07/28/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ezuma said:
Quote:

Shiithead said:
Do you believe in yourself?




I sure don't, never even met the guy




Yup. :thumbup:


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #23487892 - 07/29/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
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demiu5 said:
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spirit_shadow said:
That may be what allows them to be executed but im talking the essence, idea, the thought itself. Where does it come from?






the thought itself comes from the brain.  the brain produces thoughts, through energy by way of calories



How does it produce the thought? Or should I say WHY? im thinking this sentence as I type it. What caused me to form those words?



basically its like this



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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Sheekle] * 2
    #23487962 - 07/29/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
why do hippies say "energy" and "the universe" so much




the universe is made up of empty space and matter, which is just empty space, but energy condensed to a slow vibration


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: 404]
    #23487976 - 07/29/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You are the universe man :hippie::chong:


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Re: If energy can only be transferred..... [Re: Plain]
    #23488116 - 07/29/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In some belief systems based on the Tree of Life, above the Crown exists a place where all ideas and thoughts already exist in an inconceivable infinite light known as Ain Soph Aur, where by its nature, there's no input or output as nothing can be added or removed from infinity.  Ideas are only "discovered" as they pass down the Tree of Life from non-existence, to subconscious, to consciousness, and finally to existence in the world.
So in essence, the beginning of a thought already exists "out there," and is waiting to be "discovered" in the way that gravity or lightning were "discovered;" they already existed and a combination of factors led to their path into human consciousness.
Interestingly, this process describes not only the creation of ideas, but of the universe itself and mankind.  Mankind's descent from the infinite light into the material world could be called "the fall of man."


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